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Starlock

PostPosted: Tue Sep 27, 2005 8:46 am


Aaaah, evidence for 'every stereotype' being 98% true, please? The field of psychology would heartily disagree with you and I don't need to look up a study to know that. People apply stereotypes as a judgemental heuristic, which is a mental shortcut. We do it because it is easy and doesn't require controlled thinking, not because it is accurate all the time. It isn't. Heuristics often cause minor to serious judgemental errors. We make judgements based upon several principles, the stereotype falling into the representative heuristic. This means we have a tendancy to want to categorize things in ways that make sense to us.

An example: you see a book on the shelf of a bookstore that has the title "Stalking the Night." Your past experiences will probably tell you something about these words that will make you place this book in the category of 'horror.' You pull out the book and find it is actually a book about panthers. It's the same with stereotypes. You see someone dressed in all black and place them in the category 'goth.' Then you actually bother to get to know them and find out they wear black because they're a theater techie.

That's not to say that shortcuts based on the representative heuristic are always wrong. They're not often completely right, though.

A note on genetics: it is not correct to say most of personality is created by nurture. That question is not yet answered, but the things I have read have pointed to a much stronger genetic influence than most people are confortable thinking about. I've read in psych textbooks for example, that intelligence is around 70% genetically determined. It wouldn't be a stretch to say that personality fits at around that number as well.
PostPosted: Tue Sep 27, 2005 1:04 pm


Stereotypes are created to make our life easier. Just like air, food, and not having a knife in the back. For example:
When I see a jew. I'm sure that he is successful. And he most likely is. There is nothing wrong about it. In my country we like to stereotype everything.
We stereotype Americans, we stereotype jews,and we stereotype ourselves.

I live in a nation where stereotyping is A- ok.


And you live in a country where you were raised in the believe that stereotypes are not a-ok, and I respect that.


On the IQ. My father was a retard and my mother was a doctor. I just hope I got the right genes. And I think I did.
Well, and plus I know about 10 ways to increase the IQ. And about the books-
every book is written by humans, and every professor believes in different theories.

It's only normal that 2 books on the same topic will take the same thing completely differently.

I think I have a high IQ. Mostly because I have a book full with Mensa IQ test, and I know the answer for almost every question (Accept those that are alphabet related, because the book is English based, and we have some additional letters that destroy the question that involves the order of the letters of the alphabet.
)


Musubi P.


Phaedrus17

PostPosted: Fri Sep 30, 2005 9:13 pm


Starlock
Kalile Alako, your post made me think about Adlerian birth order theory and other birth order theories. Psychological studies have been done to attempt to see if there are discernable personality differences based upon birth order. While evidence is inconsistent, there is some evidence that birth order has an impact on your personality. One of the arguments for why goes something like this...

The first child gets the undivided attention of the parent, and so they do whatever pleases them. Now, the second child must compete for attention. Do something different, or creative to get noticed. Subsequent children tend to adapt different styles of behavior than their siblings to get noticed by their parents. These could be either positive skill outlets or more negative forms of behavior.

So by this standpoint, it is completely not the parents fault that one kid may turn out 'bad' because it is a natural tendency for siblings to compete with one another for parental attention. However, if we take a look at some of the humanistic psychologists like Rogers, this is not the best conclusion. Rogers states that we all tend to grow to greater levels of complexity and in healthy directions. Presumably, this would mean that if the parents give adequate attention to each child, each child should turn out just fine.


Er. I would believe that that theory is at least partially true. Get this:

I'm the third in a family with four kids. I have an older brother, and older sister, and a younger brother. Yes, that means I'm the odd one out. There's the girl, the youngest, and the oldest. My parents swear it isn't true, but they didn't pay quite as much attention to me as they did to the others. I ended up doing better than any of the others academically, mostly because I developed an interest in reading at a young age (probably due to the fact that it drew my attention away from the real world). I probably wouldn't have developed an interest in reading like I did if I had more preferential treatment.

An interesting point to be added to this is that due to my obsessive reading of books, my role models were often characters I admired in books. My personality is very very different from those of my siblings. So, while your parents are a major factor in your personality development, I believe there are many other factors. Role models, social status at school, a billion things go into personality development. So, while I wouldn't say that bad parents = bad children, I would say that abusive parents are a major factor that can lead to the development of criminals and thugs. Just not always the determining one.
PostPosted: Sat Feb 11, 2006 7:10 am


Musubi P.
You can increase your IQ using IQ increasing techniques and hypnosis.


But that won't change your intelligence.

Invictus_88


bonkiep

PostPosted: Thu Dec 27, 2007 10:12 am


Invictus_88
Musubi P.
You can increase your IQ using IQ increasing techniques and hypnosis.


But that won't change your intelligence.

Well that goes into a whole other argument about the difference between "smart" and "intelligent" or "aquired knowledge" vs. being "predisposed to understand."

How you turn out, we've all managed to state, is determined by a lot of different factors, and just how much each factor effects the outcome is A: unknown and B: probably varies from person to person.

In addition to that sum-up, I'd like to add that for some children of "bad" parents, they're own personal drive to not end up like their parents is a factor in itself, possibly even replacing the idea of a role model if one isn't avaiable. The desire not to be like someone else is a very strong force.

I know a girl who grew up in a very poor abusive family, and she has risen to be a A student, graduated with $32 thousand in scholarships, and is now at a great university studying a career in politics. She had very few people to lean on, but she persevered because she knew that she wanted better for herself than what her parents had.
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