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 Posted: Fri Jun 09, 2006 11:10 pm
ShadowCat495 If we were to give everyone the free will to sin, and didn't stop them from sinning, there would be no law enforcement, criminals would roam free. Why should we we allow gay marriage if people aren't allowed to be naked in public? {btw, no trying to argue, if I'm wrong, then i want to be corrected in all points} Are you comparing homosexuality to crime? Who exactly does homosexuality harm, and who are you to dictate the love lives of other human beings? Nudists are allowed the right to marry. There is no law against union between two nudists if one happens to be a man and the other, a woman. Your comparison is flawed. If you want to stop people from sinning, start with the basics. Go ahead and shut down every fast food joint and restaurant, as they all encourage gluttony. Go shut down some strip bars, and dance clubs, because they are brimming with lusty customers. Destroy all sports, for they encourage pride and envy, as do all competitive things (ie pageants, contests). Destroy any atheists and people of other faiths that do not hold God above other deities, whether they believe in him or not--is that not the first and most important commandment? What makes you want to surpress this sin, which has been speculated to not even be a sin, when things that are clearly sins in the Bible are already a part of our lives? What makes homosexuality more important to you than the sin of, oh, say, adultery? Is it because the thought of two men or two women being physically intimate with one another, and at the same time, the society you grew up in has made you accept the marriage of a man and woman who had previous partners who are still alive?
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Posted: Sat Jun 10, 2006 7:43 am
ShadowCat495 God does not recognize 2 men or 2 women together as a married couple. He doesn't have to. All the homosexuals are asking is that the government does.
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Posted: Sat Jun 10, 2006 7:47 am
ShadowCat495 Just to make the point that the country "was" founded under religion and the primary religion was Christianity {even though it was a little currupt at the time}. Again, I'd like to point out, when they said "All men are created equal" What they meant was "All white, european, mid-to-upper class homo sapiens who happen to have a p***s." They believed that white western-european men were the highest class, and oppressed all others. The only way I will accept this argument from you is if you also want to ban immigration, clean everyone who's not pure anglo-saxon out of the US, disregard civil rights completely, own slaves, and oppress women. Then we'll talk.
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Posted: Sat Jun 10, 2006 10:35 am
ShadowCat495 Just to make the point that the country "was" founded under religion and the primary religion was Christianity {even though it was a little currupt at the time}. Just to make the point NO, it WASN'T.
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Posted: Sun Jun 11, 2006 1:08 pm
Quote: Who exactly does homosexuality harm, and who are you to dictate the love lives of other human beings? hoo boy, that's a really obvious question. Who does it harm? 1.Those involved are more likely to be infected with STDs, and no that isn't it, that's all I can think of right now. 2.Those around them are given the implication that it is right, when it is not.
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Posted: Sun Jun 11, 2006 2:44 pm
Xindaris Quote: Who exactly does homosexuality harm, and who are you to dictate the love lives of other human beings? hoo boy, that's a really obvious question. Who does it harm? 1.Those involved are more likely to be infected with STDs, and no that isn't it, that's all I can think of right now. false. It is known fact that simply because someone is Gay they are NOT more likely to attract an STD. that is based entirely off of prejudice under the assumation that Homosexuals do nothing other than sleep around, which is also false. Xindaris 2.Those around them are given the implication that it is right, when it is not. Morality is relative to those whom try and define it. Everyone runs a different standard, Every culture carries a different code of conduct, and to attempt and force your own code on another person is BS.How do you thik the Arabians feel about us allowing our women to go around bearing not only their wrists, but their ankles as well?! I mean, my WORD, MAN! How is a Man to go about his day without being overtaken by lust because hese harlots are showing off their most amourus body parts!? What's next? Knees? ELBOWS? IT must be stopped, and HOW! Incase ye didn't know, I'm being sarcastic right there. But, there are actually people out in the world that feel that way. My Girlfriends mother thinks I will be overtaken with lust if I see so much as her upper arm or shoulders. But you need to first define why it is socially unacceptable(logically) before you can label it as unaceptable at all. If you feel so inclined, you can enter teh debate thread about wether it's a sin at all, and give us a show while Pirate rips you a new one. But your statement is unfounded, and needs a makeover.
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Posted: Sun Jun 11, 2006 4:18 pm
ShadowCat495 Adultery is bad too, I never said it wasn't. I can't say every sin, I'm speaking on the subjest of gay marriage. Strip clubs should be shut down, but i was making a point. I wasn't talking about nudists getting married, I was talking about them being nude in public. How come they aren't allowed to be naked in public? What harm is that? They're fufilling their own desires. Who are the police to dictate who a person can and cannot kill? Fast food joints do not encourage gluttony, they encourage laziness. Sports began so people could have fun and have friendly competition. Why destroy atheists when they could be converted, and I wouldn't say one commandment is more immportant than the others. And here's something else, God made Adam and Eve, NOT Adam and Steve! God does not recognize 2 men or 2 women together as a married couple.
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Nudists generally aren't nude in public. Such as a random street corner. They'd be busted SO fast their naked heads would spin. Normally, anyway. That's why they go on retreats, so that they can express themselves, and not get busted for public indecency.
Second point. The police do not dictate who you can and cannot kill. That's why we have laws and morality, numpty. And, assuming, of course, that the constitution and the legal system were based on the bible (it wasn't, as I stated previously), the bible would still say that murder is against god. So. We can blame your silly little book for that one. I know several people that wouldn't be around anymore, of you catch my meaning... Grrr...
Why the HELL would you destroy an atheist in the first place? Why the HELL would you destroy anyone? You were JUST saying that murder is bad. So why are you trying to condone destroying an atheist?
And this god critter... he didn't create Adam, Eve, or this random Steve person... what the hell does He have to do with anything? That's right. He doesn't. Stop trying to confuse the issue.
Bitter? No. Of course not. I'm NEVER FREAKING BITTER when it comes to religion.[/sarcasm]
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Posted: Sun Jun 11, 2006 4:42 pm
So why should gay marriage not be allowed? Just because it goes against the Bible. If you were not Christian, you likely would not give a flying fiddlers ******** either way on the issue. So think about it this way. It goes against the Bible, yes, but the people getting married are gay. So they likely are not religious in the first place. Do why would they care if it were against the Bible? Their sinning does not affect you, it affects them. But they are not religious, so they couldn't care less if they went to Hell or not. And they likely do not believe in Hell anyway because they ARE NOT RELIGIOUS!!!!!! Another thing...If God is so forgiving, would he not forgive you for being gay? After all, since God created all His children in his image, so he obvioulsy made these certain people gay. God made you stragiht, God made me bisexual, God made gay people gay.
The main reason gays want to be granted the legal right to marry is because of money. The issue is not weather being together forever. They can live together and be commonlaw spouses and be togther till the day they die if that's what they want. Marriage is simply a piece of paper saying these two individuals are legally bound together. However, it also means that when one person dies, the spouse can claim money and assets and all that other junk (I'm not quite sure how it all works). If these people are not allowd to marry, they do not get the beneficiary side of marriage. That's mainly the whole issue behind it. Therefore, I see nothing wrong with letting them marry and get the money out of the deal.Xindaris one thing you people need to get straight... the founding fathers based the country on freedom of religion...MAINLY on freedom to practice Christianity however they wanted to, rather than under the rule of a king. The people who are of other religions are accepted, not encouraged, under the original concept of the Constitution.
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Posted: Sun Jun 11, 2006 10:58 pm
Shorty Morality is relative to those whom try and define it. Everyone runs a different standard, Every culture carries a different code of conduct, and to attempt and force your own code on another person is BS. i can't believe you would even consider moral relativism ... moral relativism is complete BS. utter and complete nonsense, claptrap, garbage, and any other name one could think of to describe an idea that destroys society AND weakens Christians. i think Jesus said "I am the TRUTH". just saying. He seemed pretty important. :] also, relativism simply doesn't work. if there's no absolute truth or that everyone has a different standard, who are you to tell me anything? how can you say that relativism is true? stop imposing your beliefs on me.
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Posted: Mon Jun 12, 2006 12:47 am
sources. Sources. SOURCES. Until you can pull some Sources that the founding fathers were Christian, you are nothing more than annoying. Until you can pull some Sources that Homosexual Men are more likely to contract STD's, you are seen as ignorant. Until you can give some Sources on what you are attempting to blather, you make no point worth noting. I take pride in the fact that I competed well in debate in High School. In Debate, I made a very simple notation. Regardless of wether you were in Extemp, Lincoln-Douglas, or Policy, if you didn't have Sources, you would get run into teh ground. You have yet to pull a single Source, not even a cite, a quote of someone else. I am likely to believe you as much as I am to believe my color-blind friend that the Moon is Purple. He believes it, seeing as that is how he ses it, and none can tell him otherwise simply because it is all interpretation. You have your interpretation, and choose to follow it as Gung-Ho as you can. But, as for Sources, try this. Benjamin Franklin was a Deist. Thomas Jefferson was persecuted at length for being an Atheist and an "Enemy of the Church" in teh 1800s by a political opponent. Speaking of Thomas Jefferson, did you know he was teh primary proponent of teh Seperation of Church and State? He saw it as required, even, needed. Here is an excerpt from a letter he wrote to teh Danbury Baptist Association: Quote: "Believing with you that religion is a matter which lies solely between man and his God, that he owes account to none other for his faith or his worship, that the legislative powers of government reach actions only, and not opinions, I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should " make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof," thus building a wall of separation between church and State" did you see that? Here, lemme give greater focus to it for a better read: " make no law respecting an establishment of religion" Meaning Christianity. I say to you again, as I quote it straight from teh Quill of one of teh most well known ratifyers of teh US Constitution, THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA WAS NOT BASED OFF OF CHRISTIANITY, OR ANY RELIGION THEREOF!
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