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nathan_ngl
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 07, 2006 12:44 am


MANNOWAR
nathan_ngl
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A Hebro, a religious Hebro told me that "When G-d Created the earth, he created it as if it was around for millions of year" Think about it.

Yes, I've heard of that, and it makes sense. Not only that, but scientists used extrapolation to calculate the years earth has been around by the level of carbon (I think) in earth's matterials. Since when using extrapolation you can be WAY off (Imagine extrapolating child growth - ages 1-5 are WAY different than ages 30-40. You would eventually get a child that is 10 meters high eek ).


yea but just mebe science and Religion werent meant to be together


I think they were, I've posted this elsewhere on the guild, and I'll post it again:

The Rasag - Researching the belief:
User ImageThe Rasag, or "Rabbi saadia Ha'gaon", was born in diltch (eygpt) in 882. He was a great rabbi, and was very well learned in the sciences of his time. He was also very good with scripture and the hebrew language.

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The Rasag lead the opinion that if someone wants to reach true belief, he should research it, but first he has to come to an understanding that everything in the torah is true, word for word. In other words, before you start questioning the religion, you first must accept with blind belief that it is all true. Afterwards, you may research it, find out the reasoning and meanings behind it, but you have to have a good strong base of blind belief, lest you come to the wrong conclusions, and turn against the truth. Research brings to the complete belief, the true belief, and a better understanding of G-d's world.

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So you see, research and science is actually a prefered thing.

Not only that, but many rabbi's, such as the rambam were great scientists and were very knoledgable of the sciences in their time.
PostPosted: Wed Jun 07, 2006 12:47 am


are the pictures and little graphics really necessary? xp

Macaroni Jesus


nathan_ngl
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 07, 2006 12:50 am


Donovinhs Knight
are the pictures and little graphics really necessary? xp


Yes, it makes it pretty blaugh
PostPosted: Wed Jun 07, 2006 1:10 am


Donovinhs Knight
are the pictures and little graphics really necessary? xp


LOOOOL rofl
I second that!! Amen! rofl
Dang it naphtali You are a genius and a computer wiz but you dont have to go overboard razz Ill admit its cool though lol

Hmmm dinosaurs have always interested me in the way that i've wondered if they really ever existed or not according to the Torah.

Anyway, I think my brother is right, science actually helps us see how amazing gods creations are and how beautiful this world is. 3nodding
Anyone learning biology and the human body could not possibly explain that all those tiny veins and inner arteries just happened with a bang could they? ninja
Its right that we have no proof to support the theory that the 7 days of genesis were much longer time periods.
lol (by reading through this thread) you can tell there are about 2 million different theories here. sweatdrop rofl
But like its been said before you have to have strong blief and then go do your researching so I think I blieve dinosaurs did exist cuz who knows what happened durring the first days of genesis before time was born?
Its a cool thing to debate. smile I think its important to say that the creation of the world was at the word of G-d and we cant really understand what happpened before and durring the whole process because we're human. We cant understand G-d, unless he helps us. So maybe genesis happened like it did without any reliable proof so we'd just have to blieve. ^^ wink

LittleBakedBean


Macaroni Jesus

PostPosted: Wed Jun 07, 2006 1:16 am


One way I think might explain the absense of dino's in the bible is that the....*talks really fast* the bible was written by man based on actual things that god and all those good folks did but since humans didnt know about dinos they werent mentioned *runs and hides from being pelted with "blasphemy" stones*
PostPosted: Wed Jun 07, 2006 1:27 am


Donovinhs Knight
One way I think might explain the absense of dino's in the bible is that the....*talks really fast* the bible was written by man based on actual things that god and all those good folks did but since humans didnt know about dinos they werent mentioned *runs and hides from being pelted with "blasphemy" stones*


rofl blasphemy what are you talking about man? biggrin
lol. *pulls him out and dusts him off*
Eh the bible was written in G-ds words so blieve me he knew about any dinosaurs that existed, if and when. If he wanted to he couldve put them in the bible no problem. wink
Hmm I think the real reason the dinosaurs were'nt mentioned was because that the Torah, is not a history book, its a telling of the important things we have to know and the things G-d wants us to remember for now and for our future.
So maybe the dinosaurs werent all that important for Jewish faith. ^^
You know that the book of "Deuteronomy" (whew sweatdrop ) only talks about two years thats the Jews were in the dessert, the first and the last, over an expantion of 40 years! and the explaination Rashi gives in that the bible is simply not a history book. It states only what is important. 3nodding

LittleBakedBean


nathan_ngl
Crew

PostPosted: Wed Jun 07, 2006 1:27 am


Donovinhs Knight
One way I think might explain the absense of dino's in the bible is that the....*talks really fast* the bible was written by man based on actual things that god and all those good folks did but since humans didnt know about dinos they werent mentioned *runs and hides from being pelted with "blasphemy" stones*


No! rofl . The Torah wasn't written by man! That opinion you brought up is what the Kofrim and Apikorsim say! sweatdrop
PostPosted: Wed Jun 07, 2006 1:33 am


OO oo! Maybe Dinosaurs and all those older lifes where like...failed attempts... xd

like Martians! xd

but he didnt include them cause you know, to keep the whole "all powerfull, never makes mistakes" thing he has going xp

*hides from Blasphemy Stones again even though is joking*

Macaroni Jesus


ZonkotheSane

PostPosted: Wed Jun 07, 2006 4:09 pm


once we acknowledge that Hashem created the world, isn't it entirely possible that it was created with bones in the ground?
PostPosted: Wed Jun 07, 2006 4:17 pm


ZonkotheSane
once we acknowledge that Hashem created the world, isn't it entirely possible that it was created with bones in the ground?


why would you make a world with bones already in the ground? neutral

Macaroni Jesus


ZonkotheSane

PostPosted: Wed Jun 07, 2006 4:35 pm


Donovinhs Knight
ZonkotheSane
once we acknowledge that Hashem created the world, isn't it entirely possible that it was created with bones in the ground?


why would you make a world with bones already in the ground? neutral
i wouldn't. and it is not man's place to decide the will of Hashem.

but there is a concept that Hashem always includes clauses in things He does, things that make it possible not to acknowledge Him. otherwise there would be no free will.
PostPosted: Wed Jun 07, 2006 4:54 pm


ZonkotheSane

but there is a concept that Hashem always includes clauses in things He does, things that make it possible not to acknowledge Him. otherwise there would be no free will.


GAH! you stole the words out of my mouth. I hate you scream !

Okay, no i dont... but you stole it crying

nathan_ngl
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YvetteEmilieDupont

PostPosted: Thu Jun 08, 2006 3:12 am


in this article that i read last year it said how like in the torah it says how that time just starts when Humans came on the world not when the whole thing was invented by god
PostPosted: Thu Jun 08, 2006 5:33 pm


YvetteEmilieDupont
in this article that i read last year it said how like in the torah it says how that time just starts when Humans came on the world not when the whole thing was invented by god
a bit after humans, but yeah, that's the general idea. we only count from the moment of creation's completion, not when creation started

ZonkotheSane


tsvi_tyl

PostPosted: Tue Jun 20, 2006 3:29 am


thats a very interesting view. i like it. biggrin
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