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 Posted: Wed Jan 25, 2006 9:12 am
I may be a lil old fashioned... so I'm no big fan of polygamy and the likes (^-^)
I don't think that has any direct connection to gay marriage, though.
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Posted: Thu Jan 26, 2006 6:59 am
Here's a comment from a book on Gay Marriage I read. Currently as it stand Heterosexuals can legally marry "One legal adult whom they love and are not related to them." Homosexuals can marry a legal adult but not one they love. Here is the pitfall for polygamy: There is no law against loving two people or more. However every polygamist still ahs the right to marry "one legal adult whom they are not related to", they technically aren't missing out on any rights.
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Posted: Thu Feb 02, 2006 2:29 am
BakaTulip There is no law against loving two people or more. However every polygamist still ahs the right to marry "one legal adult whom they are not related to", they technically aren't missing out on any rights. Exactly. Gay marriage has never been a huge issue for the secular part of the state; the only thing that will change there is now the IRS/RC will have to stop assuming that a spouse is a female (and make changes to the census process) and that's about it. Taxes, loans, property, wills, etc. all work identically to heterosexual unions. Polygamy screws things up for multiple reasons: 1. Filing jointly (i.e. as a "couple") would become hell. 2. How to divide property? 3. How to prevent the hub of the marriage (i.e. the person married to multiple people) from getting unfair tax benefits. 4. Beneficiaries? 5. Size of polygamist unions. Can they scale? Can everyone in the country marry everyone else in the country (and create absolute hell)? etc. etc.
Ooh, a few more issues I thought important:
7. Divorce... Do you divorce from a single spouse or from said spouse and all of THAT person's spouses?
8. Tying into (7), child care payments? Who has to pay them? If married to multiple people, does divorcing one make you a "single parent who needs childcare payments from divorced spouse"?
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Posted: Thu Apr 06, 2006 5:10 pm
Actually, it wouldn't be as difficult as you make it out to be, SkynX.
People only see it as difficult, because they WANT it to be.
The tax issue, for instance, can be remedied by providing members in a multiple partner relationship with tax breaks for only the FIRST marrige.
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Posted: Tue Apr 11, 2006 8:13 pm
No. Marriage is about monogamy, between TWO consenting adults. I don't see why that's so hard to understand for some people.
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Posted: Wed Apr 12, 2006 8:40 am
xarandomidiotx No. Marriage is about monogamy, between TWO consenting adults. I don't see why that's so hard to understand for some people. Let me clue you on a little bit of reality here, child. WHAT YOU SAY, DOES NOT DICTATE WHAT IS AND IS NOT FOR THE REST OF US. Let me tell you something. There are some 6 ******** BILLION people on this planet. Why should YOUR beliefs override all of theirs? And, if you can't wrap your head around this concept, congragulations. You've become no better than the homophobes.
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Posted: Thu Dec 07, 2006 8:11 pm
+the_pink_blueberry+ The question is, is polygamy really such a bad thing? I mean, as long as all of the partners in the relationship are trated equally (or if not, are treated as such out of their own free will, as is the case in many monogamous, heterosexual relationships). In fact, there are several positive examples of polygamous relations in the bible. Its when it stops being positive that it becomes a problem. SO... legalizing polygamy... would that mean women can have more than one husband or is it just men with more than one wife? I mean you could say like... yes polygamy is okay, as long as everyone participating is 1. old enough and 2. consents... but People manipulate other people... how would you really know they were consenting? see what i don't get is the idea of having more than one wife or whatever... i'd feel like i were owned... it wouldn't seem equal, i'm just one of many that this guy owns. And polygamy has nothing to do with sexuality... does it?
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Posted: Fri Dec 08, 2006 2:41 am
SubHumanRemains would that mean women can have more than one husband or is it just men with more than one wife? No, technically, polygamy is the practice of having more than one wife. Polyandry is the practice of having more than one husband. Polyamory is the neutral term that could go in either, or both, directions. SubHumanRemains but People manipulate other people... how would you really know they were consenting? How do you know that they're not doing that in monogomous marriage? Only, we know that they are. Battered Wife Syndrome, anyone? SubHumanRemains see what i don't get is the idea of having more than one wife or whatever... i'd feel like i were owned... Now, I'm really not understanding where you got that one from. Could you please try to elaborate? SubHumanRemains it wouldn't seem equal, i'm just one of many that this guy owns. As I said before, I really don't understand where owning anyone came into this. sweatdrop
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Posted: Sat Dec 09, 2006 5:44 pm
Yondara_The ChaosMage SubHumanRemains would that mean women can have more than one husband or is it just men with more than one wife? No, technically, polygamy is the practice of having more than one wife. Polyandry is the practice of having more than one husband. Polyamory is the neutral term that could go in either, or both, directions. SubHumanRemains but People manipulate other people... how would you really know they were consenting? How do you know that they're not doing that in monogomous marriage? Only, we know that they are. Battered Wife Syndrome, anyone? SubHumanRemains see what i don't get is the idea of having more than one wife or whatever... i'd feel like i were owned... Now, I'm really not understanding where you got that one from. Could you please try to elaborate? SubHumanRemains it wouldn't seem equal, i'm just one of many that this guy owns. As I said before, I really don't understand where owning anyone came into this. sweatdrop Thanks for clearing the polygamy/polamory thing smile Yeah tht does occur in monogomy... it could occur in any marital thing... well... it occurs in anything doesn't it? People manipulate people... it happens... The problem with polygamy lately is that they're forcing underage girls to marry older men against their will... in the name of god. Its not just Men who manipulate and abuse women (i'm not downisizing this...) Its a whole group of people who believe in this as religion, forcing younger girls... frankly girls that are too young... to marry older men. Thats illegal in itself. Why would you want more than one wife/husband? What is the point? To be married is supposed to be about love, right? So you can have more than 2 people in a marriage... but does everyone love everyone equally? If i were put into that situaion i would always question whether they loved me the same as the rest. I'd personally feel like i was owned by a man, it'd be me and 1 or more other women.. and then him... It wouldn't feel equal at all, i wouldn't feel on equal terms with anyone else. But thats just how i would feel... i'm certain other people feel different. sweatdrop
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Posted: Sun Dec 10, 2006 9:32 pm
How is that a bad thing? I'm more monogamous myself, but as we ask others why they have a right to judge our love, why should we judge others who love differently than us?
One of my friends is polyamorous (one boyfriend and one girlfriend). Is it for me? Not really. But if it's good for him, congrats.
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Posted: Wed Dec 13, 2006 2:32 am
SubHumanRemains The problem with polygamy lately is that they're forcing underage girls to marry older men against their will... in the name of god. Its not just Men who manipulate and abuse women (i'm not downisizing this...) Its a whole group of people who believe in this as religion, forcing younger girls... frankly girls that are too young... to marry older men. Thats illegal in itself. Uh... I'm going to have to ask what religion this is, 'cause I haven't heard anything about that in recent times... SubHumanRemains Why would you want more than one wife/husband? What is the point? What's the point in ANY marriage? Well, any good one, anyway. You love them, and you want to marry them. That's all there is to it. It's the same thing as monogomy. Only, with more people. SubHumanRemains To be married is supposed to be about love, right? So you can have more than 2 people in a marriage... but does everyone love everyone equally? Yes, actually, we do. True polyamory is about everyone loving everyone. That's why it's polyAMORY, and not something else. Sure, there's a differnet way of interpreting what we are for as many different people as there are in polyamory. Sure, there are some relationships that the third (or more) won't be able to share what the others have. But they KNOW that going in, and are OKAY with that. In effect, there's nothing really different between monogomy and polyamory, like I said. The only true difference is the number of people.
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Posted: Wed Dec 13, 2006 7:53 pm
Yondara_The ChaosMage SubHumanRemains The problem with polygamy lately is that they're forcing underage girls to marry older men against their will... in the name of god. Its not just Men who manipulate and abuse women (i'm not downisizing this...) Its a whole group of people who believe in this as religion, forcing younger girls... frankly girls that are too young... to marry older men. Thats illegal in itself. Uh... I'm going to have to ask what religion this is, 'cause I haven't heard anything about that in recent times... SubHumanRemains Why would you want more than one wife/husband? What is the point? What's the point in ANY marriage? Well, any good one, anyway. You love them, and you want to marry them. That's all there is to it. It's the same thing as monogomy. Only, with more people. SubHumanRemains To be married is supposed to be about love, right? So you can have more than 2 people in a marriage... but does everyone love everyone equally? Yes, actually, we do. True polyamory is about everyone loving everyone. That's why it's polyAMORY, and not something else. Sure, there's a differnet way of interpreting what we are for as many different people as there are in polyamory. Sure, there are some relationships that the third (or more) won't be able to share what the others have. But they KNOW that going in, and are OKAY with that. In effect, there's nothing really different between monogomy and polyamory, like I said. The only true difference is the number of people. There is a man (i forget his name) with followers who preaches the idea of older men having many underaged wives, along with inappropriate sex practices... in the name of god. Where i am its been all over the news(california, btw) I"M not saying that polygamy or polyamory is at all like that! my own experiences and information about it puts it on the more negative side. Frankly i'm pretty negative about marriage as a whole, whether monogomous or otherwise... I don't feel from my own experiences and relationships that true love can go that way, from my own experiences its hard enough to get 2 people to be honest about theeir feelings for each other. This is my point of view. If that lifestyle is working for you, them great, go for it!! this is a discussion on polygamy and whether legalizing gay marriage will also legalize polygamy... isnt it? i suppose i didn't really follow that topic either... basically i'm just throwing ideas out there. domokun
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Posted: Thu Dec 28, 2006 5:03 am
HOKAI, let me END THE RUMORS ONCE AND FOR ALL ABOUT MORMONS:
Mormons are NOT polygamists. That whole stereotype spawned about two hundred years ago, when many of the male mormons were lost to wars, disease, and famine, and thus had to take multiple wives to help regrow the population. Once it was regrown, they stopped polygamy. See? The only reason they did it was for survival. Now can we PLEASE stop all this nonsense about Mormon polygamy?!
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Posted: Mon Mar 05, 2007 8:42 am
+the_pink_blueberry+ The question is, is polygamy really such a bad thing? I mean, as long as all of the partners in the relationship are trated equally (or if not, are treated as such out of their own free will, as is the case in many monogamous, heterosexual relationships). In fact, there are several positive examples of polygamous relations in the bible. I think that's what annoys me about polygamy. Is that everyone thinks "Well as long as everyone is treated the same..." When it comes down to it, that'll never happen. Sure, it may work for a while, but in the end, there's always going to be something that's going to screw it up: Either you're going to treat someone differently and not know it, or someone in that relationship is going to get jealous. That's the only reason I disagree with Polygamy in general. When it comes down to it, you can only truly love one person. You can try to love more than one (relationship wise), but there's always going to be some slight reason that isn't going to work.
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Posted: Thu Mar 15, 2007 6:59 pm
Raven_Leunae That's the only reason I disagree with Polygamy in general. But why? There's no universal law that states that you can't. And if there is, someone forgot to tell me about it. And don't you dare ever presume to know enough about me to tell me who I can and cannot love. Ja? Let's not forget that this statement ONLY works if Saudi Arabia doesn't exist. Polygamy IS legal there, AND you are also legally REQUIRED to treat all of your wives the same. And most of them do. Otherwise, it would no longer be a law.
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