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but if it were't for math, there would be no science... so all science is really just mathamatics.... and not really a sepereate set of theroies and beliefs.

That's actually not true at all. Quantum Physics for example. What about Quantum Catholicism? Theoretical sciences, all of it. Science is not just math. There is more to science than math.... but science does use math as a mechanism to quantify its beliefs and theories.
Science isn't THE ONLY PROVABLE thing in the universe, the only method of truth. That is a haughty claim. We cannot rely upon science because there are just some things that science cannot quantify... because even at the theoretical science (quantum physics and beyond) levels, it is all just theories and beliefs, with very little laws to reinforce them, therefore it is not really tried-and-true science. And science yet it is. And science it has gone beyond... And all three of those statements are true simultaneously.

It is true that science and math go hand-in-hand, but that does not mean that science=math and math=science. They are coupled, but still individual entities entirely. At some level, mathematics uses science to prove itself and at the same time science uses math to reinforce itself.

What do you have to say about what I talked about earlier, with shamanism and meditation (time honored metaphysical customs) being explainable through science? I would really like to hear your opinion on that sort of thing instead of making things up.

ahh, but if there are sciences seperate from maths... then why do we in using that scince, give the properties of it mathematical names and references... with out math, there would be no sciences... even the chemicals have a mathematical references to make it easier to catagorize them. with out math, there would be no science.... it has been proven time and time again. even Logic and Philosophy has bases in math...

yes, you told me with your chemical reactions... and yet if the chemicals mixed had been done differently, say a different amount of one of the chemicals... the reaction would be different, so the chemical reactions are deteremined by mathamatics... and sociology has math connections to... each example of a person creates a different combination to the socity you are studing... a mathamatically equation is commonly used as part of sociology, in fact, a few mathamatic equations were made by professors of sociology, just for their research.

And yes I'm sure there are mathematical equations for sociology, but these sociologists are a different branch of it and they use statistics. This particular branch relies heavily upon math because the data is quantitative, not qualitative (Quantity not quality for those who don't understand).
But sociology is so much more than that. History, archaeology, mythology, world cultures, ancient cultures, politics, even music are topics studied heavily under sociology. They have their own names, and sure there are math problems in them, but math is not the bulk of these sciences.
The bulk of these soft sciences (non-math heavy sciences like sociology and philosophy, psychology, etc) is made up of text not equations. The data is mostly, primarily qualitative.
There is a theory that using magic is simply improving your odds that it will happen, that particles spin in one direction or the other, and when you are using these "mystic" rituals, etc, you are increasing your probability that they will spin a certain way, either in your favor or against it.
Seems pretty scientific, doesn't it?

magic is nothing but science! well, i think it is unexplained science. i was reading through the whole thing. shanna and lilamalvae have good points
sorry it_landry, you seem like your holding on to a dying argument. your points dont really make sence or even argue anything good. they just try and fail to turn around the other's words.
statistics do not mean that it is based on math rolleyes

np, i read it and it just got om my nerves. sorry.
and thank you whee

All that exists has an explaination, we just have yet to find it.