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 Posted: Tue May 02, 2006 4:50 pm
I'm not too sure on where I stand on the Communist/Socialist spectrum. I'll probably have to read the Communist Manifesto again and find out. Either that or have one of you quiz me. Since I go from my Communist to Stalinist to Nazi to even Libertarian ideals you all know how weird I can be when it comes to discussion.
I do what I can. I've always been on the left side of the political spectrum though.
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Posted: Sun May 07, 2006 9:50 pm
socialism in one country failed because of the bureaucracy's failure to manage the economy properly, this happened because they needed weapons, and power, so they had to make less consumer commodities and infrastructure, eventually, the economy imploded, as we know, and it was no longer 'profitable' fot the bureaucracy to maintain the workers state, and so they liquidated it.
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Posted: Sun May 07, 2006 11:08 pm
Gracchvs socialism in one country failed because of the bureaucracy's failure to manage the economy properly, this happened because they needed weapons, and power, so they had to make less consumer commodities and infrastructure, eventually, the economy imploded, as we know, and it was no longer 'profitable' fot the bureaucracy to maintain the workers state, and so they liquidated it. Actually the cause of the Economic Collapse was because of Gorbochev's radical economic reforms and privatization campaigns which murdered the economy. Also his ban on Alcohol didn't help much as well as the seceding of the multiple states.
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Posted: Mon May 08, 2006 12:04 am
Quote: Actually the cause of the Economic Collapse was because of Gorbochev's radical economic reforms and privatization campaigns which murdered the economy the bureaucracy felt that they had to bring these in so that they could compete economicaly with the west, the economy had been ********, though not ******** enough to cause instant economic counter-revolution, that, yes, was due to gorby  Quote: the seceding of the multiple states. this was caused by the above(no, not the pic!)
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Posted: Thu May 11, 2006 7:27 pm
M-mann Alright then which is a better idea for the revolution? "The Permenant Revolution" advocated by Trotsky, or "Socialism in one country" advocated by Bukharin and Stalin? If Stalin only wanted socialism in one country, why did he try to spread communism across all of Europe... I'm confused.
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Posted: Thu May 11, 2006 8:50 pm
slayer7709 M-mann Alright then which is a better idea for the revolution? "The Permenant Revolution" advocated by Trotsky, or "Socialism in one country" advocated by Bukharin and Stalin? If Stalin only wanted socialism in one country, why did he try to spread communism across all of Europe... I'm confused. leaders change their stories all the time. Frankly the whole Trosky vs Stalin battle boils down to both of them wanting to be ruler of Russia, the idealogical s**t is just an excuse.
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Posted: Thu May 11, 2006 10:45 pm
Quote: If Stalin only wanted socialism in one country, why did he try to spread communism across all of Europe... I'm confused. the thing is, he didnt, after wold war 2, he wanted germany to remain capitalist, but to be a pathetic agrarian county as a kind of buffer state between the SU and western europe, the allies didnt want that, so it was just a matter of realpolitik. dont listen to obach, he is just jealous that his ideology isnt consistent blaugh
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Posted: Thu May 11, 2006 11:07 pm
Gracchvs Quote: If Stalin only wanted socialism in one country, why did he try to spread communism across all of Europe... I'm confused. the thing is, he didnt, after wold war 2, he wanted germany to remain capitalist, but to be a pathetic agrarian county as a kind of buffer state between the SU and western europe, the allies didnt want that, so it was just a matter of realpolitik. dont listen to obach, he is just jealous that his ideology isnt consistent blaugh ideologies are just things used to sway the edcuated upper and middle class into acting certain ways. The fact that my only core idealogy is egoism doesn't mean I am inconsistent
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Posted: Thu May 11, 2006 11:18 pm
rolleyes
im just picking on you
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Posted: Fri May 12, 2006 12:27 am
Obach Stove everybody knows I am the only true commuinist. are you? Even with your funny hat?
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Posted: Fri May 12, 2006 6:31 am
Gracchvs Quote: If Stalin only wanted socialism in one country, why did he try to spread communism across all of Europe... I'm confused. the thing is, he didnt, after wold war 2, he wanted germany to remain capitalist, but to be a pathetic agrarian county as a kind of buffer state between the SU and western europe, the allies didnt want that, so it was just a matter of realpolitik. dont listen to obach, he is just jealous that his ideology isnt consistent blaugh Indeed. He learned from experience that he didn't like people like Hitler marching over his country. It would be better in terms of defense if there were a lot of little nations that supported him that any enemy would have to get through first before that enemy could attack his own country. Quite simple really.
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Posted: Fri May 12, 2006 11:58 pm
Kenzu Obach Stove everybody knows I am the only true commuinist. are you? Even with your funny hat? your not one to talk you social democratic raccon boy!
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Posted: Wed May 17, 2006 4:28 pm
well im more of a leninst than a marxist
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Posted: Wed May 17, 2006 4:43 pm
please explain what you see to be the diference, as i see it, there is none, lenin just repeated what marx said in opposition to opportunism and centrism and continued his theory of centralisation into what is now understood as imperialism.
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Posted: Wed May 17, 2006 7:34 pm
Well most leninists at least refer to themselves as Marxist-Leninist lol. I do see a few differences, but of course Lenin simply claimed that they were extentions to Marx's thoughts.
As for Trotsky wanting to be leader of Russia, this isn't true, as Lenin had offered to tap him for leader long before his death, and Trotsky refused on the grounds that he was a Jew and he felt that many of the people in the USSR wouldn't stand for a jew being their leader. He simply wanted Stalin to acknolwedge that Stalin's plans sucked, so he went to Trotsky's plans that worked and then claimed them as his own (after giving Trotsky the boot)
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