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Jass
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 15, 2005 1:04 pm


Jass
DarklingGlory
WayfarerStrife
I have seen this thread for a while, and I think I should add in a bit of my views ... mrgreen

DarklingGlory
Well said.
Its also interesting to note that lots attacking techniques can actually be performed quicker than the human body can react. The average human reaction time is about 0.1-0.2 seconds, whereas a punch can be completed in ~0.03 seconds... do the math. Anything that relies on you catching or blocking then countering can generally be considered to be a bad idea


Well, I have to agree on that, I can't really parry a jab at close range, because the pullback of the strike is too fast ... ha, but kicks are sometimes easy to block ... I once injured my instep by sending a turning kick into a joint, I forgot whether it is an elbow or a knee (it was a mid section kick ...) and pretty much suffered from a large amount of pain ...

Yep standing within punching range then trying to block a jab is really really hard.
Hehe, I love blocking kicks with elbows and knees, not strictly allowed in TKD sparring but very hard to spot and causes lots and lots of pain/numbness xd . Its another reason I dont like using the instep, I much prefer the ball of the foot or the shin. Unless you get the instep in exactly the right spot on the leg its only a point sparring tool
WayfarerStrife


sweatdrop Well, there are also slow forms of training being taught, like 'slowly' lifting up your leg into a turning kick or side kick, holding it for a 10 to 20 counts before putting it down ... it puts stress on your calves and helps develop the form of the kick ... (most Instant fighters would swing their leg up straight up, hitting with their toes instead of instep ... lacks the chamber, kick and snap back action ... xp )

Speed is trained on a target, because kicking the air at full speed, injures your knee joints ... sweatdrop

Thats just strength training, no one actually teaches you to kick like that (at least I hope not). And it not only builds up the calfs, it does the whole lot, all the muscles up the leg, hips and and lower abdomen.


Strangely, I've never really favoured the balls of the feet unless it was sort of a...heavy...booting shoving kick if you get my meaning, the laces/instep I've always used solely for speed, I love kicking like a whip on the rare occasions I do kick, I'm strangely addicted to the sort of "hrmmph!" sound people seem to exert when they almost fold in on themselves as they fall onto the floor.

Most targets below the waist I tend to hit with my shins anyway, and I'm much more likely to knee then to kick anyway.


As for your problem with parrying jabs maybe you need to work alot more on the intricasies of trapping/grappling and close range? Personally I'm all too happy myself when I find someones came close range with me as I usually have to force something into it, I love the idea of limiting their attacking range whilst grappling and crippling.

You should maybe try some of Kali/Escrima/Arnis' plethora of drills.
PostPosted: Tue Mar 15, 2005 8:02 pm


DarklingGlory
WayfarerStrife


sweatdrop Well, there are also slow forms of training being taught, like 'slowly' lifting up your leg into a turning kick or side kick, holding it for a 10 to 20 counts before putting it down ... it puts stress on your calves and helps develop the form of the kick ... (most Instant fighters would swing their leg up straight up, hitting with their toes instead of instep ... lacks the chamber, kick and snap back action ... xp )

Speed is trained on a target, because kicking the air at full speed, injures your knee joints ... sweatdrop

Thats just strength training, no one actually teaches you to kick like that (at least I hope not). And it not only builds up the calfs, it does the whole lot, all the muscles up the leg, hips and and lower abdomen.


Well, It trains both the strength and form of the kick, but in combat, using fast whipping techniques are always good ... hence I use my hands more than my legs ... sweatdrop


Jass
As for your problem with parrying jabs maybe you need to work alot more on the intricasies of trapping/grappling and close range? Personally I'm all too happy myself when I find someones came close range with me as I usually have to force something into it, I love the idea of limiting their attacking range whilst grappling and crippling.

You should maybe try some of Kali/Escrima/Arnis' plethora of drills.


Well, I am training in quater combat in the form of close range "Jiyu Kumite" at that time, I usually find it rather hard (by a lot ...) to block the jabs of seasoned fighters than unseasoned ones ... in normal kumite, a 'grab and throw' or 'sweep, grab and throw' is what I aim for. (although I am not really good at it, maybe I would try a bit of Kali if I have the time ... sweatdrop )

WayfarerStrife


DarklingGlory
Crew

PostPosted: Wed Mar 16, 2005 2:35 am


Jass
Strangely, I've never really favoured the balls of the feet unless it was sort of a...heavy...booting shoving kick if you get my meaning, the laces/instep I've always used solely for speed, I love kicking like a whip on the rare occasions I do kick, I'm strangely addicted to the sort of "hrmmph!" sound people seem to exert when they almost fold in on themselves as they fall onto the floor.

Most targets below the waist I tend to hit with my shins anyway, and I'm much more likely to knee then to kick anyway.

As for your problem with parrying jabs maybe you need to work alot more on the intricasies of trapping/grappling and close range? Personally I'm all too happy myself when I find someones came close range with me as I usually have to force something into it, I love the idea of limiting their attacking range whilst grappling and crippling.

You should maybe try some of Kali/Escrima/Arnis' plethora of drills.

I like the destruction you can cause with the ball, and because its slightly further forward than the leg it can sneak around peples blocks quite easily.
I'd chew off somebodies arm to get the chance to do Kali/Escrima/Arnis.. but as usual, no where around here does it and I cant afford if they did..
PostPosted: Sat Mar 19, 2005 7:44 am


DarklingGlory
Jass
Strangely, I've never really favoured the balls of the feet unless it was sort of a...heavy...booting shoving kick if you get my meaning, the laces/instep I've always used solely for speed, I love kicking like a whip on the rare occasions I do kick, I'm strangely addicted to the sort of "hrmmph!" sound people seem to exert when they almost fold in on themselves as they fall onto the floor.

Most targets below the waist I tend to hit with my shins anyway, and I'm much more likely to knee then to kick anyway.

As for your problem with parrying jabs maybe you need to work alot more on the intricasies of trapping/grappling and close range? Personally I'm all too happy myself when I find someones came close range with me as I usually have to force something into it, I love the idea of limiting their attacking range whilst grappling and crippling.

You should maybe try some of Kali/Escrima/Arnis' plethora of drills.

I like the destruction you can cause with the ball, and because its slightly further forward than the leg it can sneak around peples blocks quite easily.
I'd chew off somebodies arm to get the chance to do Kali/Escrima/Arnis.. but as usual, no where around here does it and I cant afford if they did..


Yup, for a powerful thrust, the ball of the foot is used and it is harder to block than turning kicks due to the force of the thrust forward ... but if the kick is weak and your balance is bad, you will fall backwards, leaving your opponents are chance to ... you know what ... sweatdrop

Anyway, I don't think I can find a place here that teaches Kali, Escrima or Arnis ... although there are a lot of Sliat schools ... (well, living in the middle of South East Asia can be quite fun ... although arts from Phillipines aren't common on this island I am on ... sweatdrop )

WayfarerStrife


Jass
Crew

PostPosted: Sun Mar 20, 2005 7:53 am


DarklingGlory
Jass
Strangely, I've never really favoured the balls of the feet unless it was sort of a...heavy...booting shoving kick if you get my meaning, the laces/instep I've always used solely for speed, I love kicking like a whip on the rare occasions I do kick, I'm strangely addicted to the sort of "hrmmph!" sound people seem to exert when they almost fold in on themselves as they fall onto the floor.

Most targets below the waist I tend to hit with my shins anyway, and I'm much more likely to knee then to kick anyway.

As for your problem with parrying jabs maybe you need to work alot more on the intricasies of trapping/grappling and close range? Personally I'm all too happy myself when I find someones came close range with me as I usually have to force something into it, I love the idea of limiting their attacking range whilst grappling and crippling.

You should maybe try some of Kali/Escrima/Arnis' plethora of drills.

I like the destruction you can cause with the ball, and because its slightly further forward than the leg it can sneak around peples blocks quite easily.
I'd chew off somebodies arm to get the chance to do Kali/Escrima/Arnis.. but as usual, no where around here does it and I cant afford if they did..


Whatever works for you. Personally I prefer the tight, explosive, arcs that I can make using the knife edge/shin/instep on the rare occasions I do kick.

The only time I seriously use kicks is when I want to kick someones knee cap through as they stand/advance, though there was this time when I was around 16 where I kicked someones coccyx through displacement and gave them a good few elbows in the ribs, though I rarely utilise stuff like that much now days.
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