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PostPosted: Wed Apr 12, 2006 8:39 pm


I've read some of the Suggestions about L.A.I.D and This is what I've decided on my Own, if anyone Cares To Listen at my Venting.


All right, so we have this Group right? Well, what are we doing Exactly because Inflation is winning in the long shot. This is just a small Suggestion since I have to study for a Test tomorrow, Well, at test I have in like 10 hours XD;; >>;;

Anyways, I'm thinking, how about we Focus on ONE item at a time? You can't spread the love to the world, but if you focus on one item, then you can fix it better. We should pick on item to bring back to its reasonable Price. Like the Inflation guys are doing, they're doing ONE item at a time, have you noticed how suddenly the most unpredicted items go up in price? I lost soo much when I traded my OMG + AFK + NM SCARF + ANGELIC SCARF for a Sash, because Inflation kicked in those items and deflation kicked in on the Sash. Killed me really. So, instead of focusing on a bunch of items, lets pick out the Major one that needs to go back to its Original Price and then move on to others?
PostPosted: Wed Apr 12, 2006 9:33 pm


Blood`Trinity
You need more publicity, I dont know anyone who knows about you surprised which isnt going to fair well if your trying to fix inflation... More projects also, get the ideas moving and out there; find the funds, get donations! Sell some damned panties if you have to. :]

Interesting point. 3nodding That's why my shop is on the verge or was on the verge of closing. I don't have any funds period.

WintersLove


[DJ]
Vice Captain

PostPosted: Wed Apr 12, 2006 11:57 pm


As VC it should be my job to be leader while lucifer is away.

But, i have many other projects going on at the moment... ninja
PostPosted: Thu Apr 13, 2006 12:51 am


Frosted - Understood.
Let me tell you why I joined this place. I joined this to observe and to try to keep LS to his word. He did not. I do not care if this is seen by him, as I spoke up before. He wanted to lead, then he should lead. I do not mind if he was going to be leader in transcience except for the fact that from the front page before to everything that has been done acts more as self-aggrandation than actual act.

He funded and created a guild. Big whoop, that is too easy to do for any one who has been around long enough. He mentioned that he is part of a cause, sure that is great, but to place yourself front and center is not the way to do such a thing.

I can not boast, my actions are small and at most times does not really affect much change. I have been able to set off a wave of give-aways and sales before, but today is a much different climate. So I had to adapt my view to the changing environment. I proposed AIR in the FYA, so that someone can take control of it. I did the leg-work and set-up the auction and an ending date.

The idea back then was to pay artists a current month letter for their art in a bulk auction. Proceeds will be used to buy more sealed letters for the next art auction as well as buying other items to place in a store. So that an art auction can be done every two months. It was going to be coupled with a price guide specifically made for deal or sale makers, where the price quoted is somewhere between half to eighty percent market value. That was the idea I proposed in AIR. In truth, I mentioned those plans in the old GAI/LAID as well.

It was a beautiful plan last year, I mean to go to the chatterbox as well as the art discussion forum to look for new artists who seem to be decent. A chance for them to showcase their work so that they could charge a bit more for their personal art mini-shops. Where the sealed letter that they get is more of a thank you, while the true pay-off was the exposure.

Deflation is not going to be handed to us in a silver-platter, most definitely agreed. However, my complaint has always been the follow through with the initial leader of this guild. He created GAI, which took the idea of the art auction from AIR, but that did not happen. He changed the name to LAID, which ended up disbanding due to no true program. Re-Loaded was created from the ashes of the other guild, which was then sold off right after.

I placed the question in the Art Auction, which I am happy is being done. What will be done with the funds? I have stated that as a leader he must think at least five to ten steps ahead so that others can already do the ground-work when the time comes. To "Strike the iron when it is hot" or so the saying goes.

In the end, I told [DJ] and a few others that I have given up on the pure "Auction" approach as that is not as workable as others, and patrons can only pay so much at a given time.

LAID is about being a good gaian? I do not need LAID to be that. I tend to be evil to begin with and my sales and projects are there for most to see. My next sale starts soon, and I will be risking an OMG or Dec 03 for 40K if they solve my puzzle. twisted I intend to make brains hurt for my enjoyment. Much like I did in December.

Any how the old guild I am part of seems to be stirring once more. I told the leadership here before that I can help give out some ideas as well as funding, but most of it all goes to the place that holds my fealty. If it does run again and if this place starts banning again, I will have to quit this place.

If you wish, I can show you the next few moves that I will be doing. Much of it is still under-wraps though a few know the gist of it.

DJ - Since you already know a part of what I am doing. I must ask. Is INC trying to be "truly" accurate? I will have to explain the why for that question later. As VC however, perhaps you can start an out-line of at least goals. There are quite a few good ideas here and it might be nice to summarize it. Set things up as assignments and see who would do something with it. I am busy as well and use too many words that most times I can't be understood. It is always good to be placing your hand in many places while working on one main project.

xyzse


[DJ]
Vice Captain

PostPosted: Thu Apr 13, 2006 6:08 am


X:- The Idea for INC is Informative.Network.Currency. So, the Informative part, will be what it is, Informative.

I do plan on INC being VERY accurate. It's just a matter of time, i've spent a while of today adding MarketPlace search buttons and i'll get round to doing more poses. But that is extra. I want it to be accurate. I'll update every day and with the Marketplace Search buttons it'll make the job alot easier. 3nodding
PostPosted: Thu Apr 13, 2006 7:01 am


Well, now you know why I wanted to know. Thanks.

Hmmm, seems AIR shows signs of life. ninja

xyzse


Frosted Fai
Crew

PostPosted: Thu Apr 13, 2006 11:35 am


I know we all really appreciate your input xyzse, and I agree with most of it. And risking giving away an OMG or Dec 03 for 40k is very generous, and having fun is important too. The reason I wrote what I did is because maybe some are loosing sight of why we're trying to stop inflation in the first place?
As for the selling and dieing of the other guild, I boldly say I know why. People loose patience, initiative and the heart to really battle inflation, especially when no follow through can be seen. I know that I'm going to do whateve I can to keep this guild up and running. As for the art auction, I think it's a very basic idea, and is only a part of this guild. I know a mule has been mentioned several times, and maybe that can be discussed further. I don't think a L.A.I.D. mule open to the entire guild is a good idea, as we know we have moles.
I have a few ideas for fun that I'm going to discuss with DJ. Maybe that's what we need? ^^


As far as this thread goes, I think we should keep it here so others can view it.
Yes, we know people don't think there is enough follow through. We know that people think there should be end dates, etc., on the auction. Members should know it being taken care of, or if it's not.
PostPosted: Thu Apr 13, 2006 12:06 pm


I never mentioned a LAID mule open to the entire guild. Permit me to show you a few things so that you can understand the position I am coming from a little better?

I dislike taking leadership either, but it seems that AIR has a few members that I have to take care of. So, I need to transform it a little to accomodate. Busy as I am already.

Transparency is always key for members, even if it is a Hidden Guild.

xyzse


Slanzer

PostPosted: Fri Apr 14, 2006 9:00 am


Frosted Fai
And Slanzer, you have some great ideas. But putting them out and expecting other people to do them isn't going to get anything done. 3nodding
Granted, but wasn't the purpose of this thread to generate ideas FOR THE GUILD AS A WHOLE to do (if accepted by the guild)?
PostPosted: Fri Apr 14, 2006 9:33 am


Slanzer
I also think we should do a guide that EVERYBODY, not just members, should have access to seeing. That guide, like xyzse recommended, should be a list of Artificial Inflators. It could also have examples of what those people have been selling, at what prices, and what the prices of the non-inflated item should be.

We should also make a guide that warns people which items are being AI-ed. I think a thread in the exchange would be best, since not everbody in the exchange is a member of LAID. Here we'd simply sticky a post that has a link to the thread.
Slanzer - A list is currently now being implemented in AIR. I am ashamed to admit it, but I lost my original list from a hard drive crash. I have to disagree with you however as such a list would be hard to balance in a legal sense.

I am placing it in a hidden guild to make it slightly more legal. Why? Because I am in shaky legal footing. Many would complain that such a list is defamation. The GEPD, Gaia E(something) Police Department, which was a black list were unable to keep open. They were taken out. I do need help populating my list again. Since I can not just use names, I need to have proof of it after all.

I am also calling it "The Reference List for Sale Makers" which is a tool for them to use to see who they should or should not sell to if they wish. Then, it sounds a little nicer.

I also find that it might be good to have a discussion with inflationists as well and find ways to appeal to their better senses. Discussion is as always important.

Any how most of what I do now at least in these things, say in AIR or in LAID would be attributed to me being a member of the FYA.

xyzse


Slanzer

PostPosted: Fri Apr 14, 2006 11:35 am


xyzse
Slanzer
I also think we should do a guide that EVERYBODY, not just members, should have access to seeing. That guide, like xyzse recommended, should be a list of Artificial Inflators. It could also have examples of what those people have been selling, at what prices, and what the prices of the non-inflated item should be.

We should also make a guide that warns people which items are being AI-ed. I think a thread in the exchange would be best, since not everbody in the exchange is a member of LAID. Here we'd simply sticky a post that has a link to the thread.
Slanzer - A list is currently now being implemented in AIR. I am ashamed to admit it, but I lost my original list from a hard drive crash. I have to disagree with you however as such a list would be hard to balance in a legal sense.

I am placing it in a hidden guild to make it slightly more legal. Why? Because I am in shaky legal footing. Many would complain that such a list is defamation. The GEPD, Gaia E(something) Police Department, which was a black list were unable to keep open. They were taken out. I do need help populating my list again. Since I can not just use names, I need to have proof of it after all.

I am also calling it "The Reference List for Sale Makers" which is a tool for them to use to see who they should or should not sell to if they wish. Then, it sounds a little nicer.

I also find that it might be good to have a discussion with inflationists as well and find ways to appeal to their better senses. Discussion is as always important.

Any how most of what I do now at least in these things, say in AIR or in LAID would be attributed to me being a member of the FYA.


But that's part of my point. Everybody is off doing their own thing. Everybody's even got their own AI GUILD, for pete's sake. We should be trying to work together, not just say "I did/am doing that already."
PostPosted: Fri Apr 14, 2006 12:05 pm


I love L.A.I.D. it's just, LAID needs to start making a plan instead of just making stores that sell cheap items. stare

AngelofLogic


xyzse

PostPosted: Fri Apr 14, 2006 1:34 pm


Slanzer
But that's part of my point. Everybody is off doing their own thing. Everybody's even got their own AI GUILD, for pete's sake. We should be trying to work together, not just say "I did/am doing that already."
That is where leadership needs to get involved.
I did mention that I have been mostly an observer and went here to try to keep it honest.
AIR has been around far longer as well as FYA. Which is why I am mostly considered a corresponding member than anything else. I speak out to call leadership in to account, which is what gets me in to trouble even in my main guild.
INC which is newly created is a Price guide made by the VC of this place. I tend to support that however as a price guide I can not truly give them much support.

You like me ask for the follow through. I must state that there are many that complain, but it is the actions that are important.

Here is the deal. It is not only I who had a problem with the guild leader here. Quite a few anti-inflationists who are decently well known does not wish to be a part of this at all. It is an AI guild, I might as well join it, frame some of the issues that are dear to me.

I can suggest a few programs now that can be done by people to generate gold and items. I would even fund them initially, but they have to run it and make it work. However, the last time I did that it fizzled due to people being busy and doing other things instead. Which is why I tend to work alone and do not like being a leader. I can organize and frame things for discussion, beyond that, the audience must choose what they do.

The ideal is to try to target single items first. Perhaps it is best to target sealeds but I doubt it can be done that way. The problem with sealeds is that the ones selling it for that amount are those that donated for it. The best thing that could happen at the moment is a bad month. You know that the item in it is bad enough so that those profiteering or buying for that amount would have a significant loss in their investment. I do not have control on that at all. Sealeds are always a risk. You might get stuck with a Pandy Pack or a Monkey PJs.

As sad as I am to admit it, I want that to happen for April, though they might just do that on May.

I agree that collaboration is needed. Why else am I here any how? I am acting to get the word out. To help craft a message of what to say. That it needs to be broadcasted beyond just the exchange. We have to saturate it everywhere legally.

Chatterbox anything can be done there, Exchange people can sell things and add a rant or something in your face. The point is to move.

I believe though, that such will be the case now?
PostPosted: Sun Apr 16, 2006 10:10 pm


I think the one problem I have to say about LAID is, I dont really think its doing much against the AI. I know it's doing something, but I dont hear or see much of it doing a great deal of something. Can someone show me what all LAID is doing in the fight against AI? Maybe people have posted it in places in the LAID Guild but I'm not in here much posting because I have to Manage the Branch off of LAID, W.A.M.M. cool

I think Luci is on a break or something, but if he is gone does LAID just stop working? cool LAID can do so much against the Artificial Inflation but people need to Ban together, actually be active in doing something, stop exchanging when the AI has taken over a great deal of items. cool I saw someone post something like, people are only in here to say they are a member of LAID or something. I think that may be true for a number of people, Myself I am in LAID to make a difference, and to help the Gaian Economy go back to Normal. Help the Poorer Class of Gaians have a fighting chance to get the items they want.

Has everyone in LAID stopped by and signed our petition? If not you should do so. The more Signatures we get the More the Admins will take us seriously and see how the AI is damaging the Gaian Economy, not to mention the whole fun factor of Gaia is lowering each day with people AI'ing everything. Makes the site not so fun anymore. Then again, thats just me. cool



Well I have more to say, but it doesnt really go with this Topic so I'll cut it short. surprised

Digital Plague


xyzse

PostPosted: Mon Apr 17, 2006 7:53 am


DP - Ah, but indeed some are still working but not under the auspices of LAID. I am a member of AIR and FYA before I ever was a member here and have stated that my role would be mostly advisory and in a sense a benefactor. Since it seems I do not have to put the leader in to account any more as he has indeed broken faith as usual just like before, I can merely hope that this place does work through things. I have shown some what I have been working on and do work on in regards to gaia. A clear vision, program and goal this place did not have during his leadership tenure.

I have said my piece. I will shut up now and leave this place on its own devices and go back to the shadows where I merely observe. I have other matters that are more pressing.
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