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Aona

PostPosted: Mon May 15, 2006 6:49 pm


The original Heavyarms was more aesthetically pleasing. Red and orange suit Trowa better than the drab color scheme of Kai (though the replica of his clown mask that's on Kai is just plain badass.)
PostPosted: Tue May 16, 2006 1:28 am


Aona
The original Heavyarms was more aesthetically pleasing. Red and orange suit Trowa better than the drab color scheme of Kai (though the replica of his clown mask that's on Kai is just plain badass.)
Um by Kai I assume you meant the Custom version in Endless Waltz?
Kai is the ugpradded version of Heavyarms but the same colour scheme ect.

Robin the Aussie


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PostPosted: Tue May 23, 2006 1:30 pm


Robin the Aussie
Aona
The original Heavyarms was more aesthetically pleasing. Red and orange suit Trowa better than the drab color scheme of Kai (though the replica of his clown mask that's on Kai is just plain badass.)
Um by Kai I assume you meant the Custom version in Endless Waltz?
Kai is the ugpradded version of Heavyarms but the same colour scheme ect.

She probably means the Gundam Wing Endless Waltz Version.

its not the same color scheme but the design of the suit is basically the same in
PostPosted: Tue May 23, 2006 2:34 pm


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Robin the Aussie
Aona
The original Heavyarms was more aesthetically pleasing. Red and orange suit Trowa better than the drab color scheme of Kai (though the replica of his clown mask that's on Kai is just plain badass.)
Um by Kai I assume you meant the Custom version in Endless Waltz?
Kai is the ugpradded version of Heavyarms but the same colour scheme ect.

She probably means the Gundam Wing Endless Waltz Version.

its not the same color scheme but the design of the suit is basically the same in

... Not really, no. The XXXG-01H2 Gundam Heavyarms Kai of Endless Waltz is actually much different from the XXXG-01H2 Gundam Heavyarms Kai that we see in the television series. It's armed with more missiles, has two handheld Double-Barreled Gatling Guns instead of the Shield-Mounted Double Barrel Beam Gatling Gun of the television series, and is also without the Army Knife.

(Note: the following is for general edification.)

And yes, the XXXG-01H2 Gundam Heavyarms Custom and XXXG-01H2 Gundam Heavyarms Kai are the same Gundam. Literally. The same goes for all of the other Gundams seen in Endless Waltz.

So why, exactly, are they so different?

The answer is to sell model kits. The Gundams we see in Endless Waltz have been re-designed by Mecha Designer Hajime Katoki, even though they are supposed to be the same Gundams as the ones we last saw in the television series. The label "Custom" was simply added to the model kit to further distinguish them from the television series kits.

It should also be worth noting that, after he did Endless Waltz, Katoki went back and retroactively re-designed the Gundams that appear in the television series to match those shown in Endless Waltz, for the purpose of selling yet more model kits. wink

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Gundamgirl861

PostPosted: Wed May 24, 2006 8:00 pm


ya the green was a little much in endless waltz. but that is the way the redesigned one went. I personally don't like it.
PostPosted: Fri Jun 02, 2006 10:32 pm


Personally I didn't like the re-designs so much as if I haven't made that clear, but Waltz aint pointless, Serpents, Tallgeese III, return of Zechs ect.

Robin the Aussie


Colonel Lady Une
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 02, 2006 11:21 pm


Zechs' return in EW does make me wonder how he survived. Shouldn't he have been obliterated along with that falling piece of Libra? Then again, Mu La Flaga (SEED) somehow managed to survive when Strike was clearly blown to pieces. They even show his helmet exploding and floating away... He clearly dies but because of the Special Edition movies, they edit his death out. Wtf?! How the hell does that work? At least Zechs' supposed 'death' isn't clearly shown...
PostPosted: Sat Jun 03, 2006 3:27 am


Colonel: They editted out Flaga's helmet in the movies so they could bring him back in Destiny as Neo Roanoke.

As for Zechs, the last we see him in Gundam Wing is when he stabs Epyon's sword into Libra's main reactor, causing most of the space fortress to explode. Everyone seemed to assume that it killed Zechs, but obviously they forgot that he's got a knack for making the impossible possible (which Heero himself says late in the series, years before Flaga did it), not to mention that he was piloting a Gundam, which are notoriously hard to destroy.

Additionally, Zechs is shown to survive in both alternate versions of the TV series. In the manga, we just plain get a different ending, while the novel simply states that Epyon is at the bottom of the ocean - obviously, SOMEONE had to put it there...

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Aona

PostPosted: Sat Jun 03, 2006 5:38 pm


I didn't even know they brought Mu back, I've only seen the original SEED series... that's just stupid. That was one of the coolest scenes in the show too.

As for Zechs surviving, Epyon was by all means probably fast enough to escape if Wing Zero could, and even if he got caught by the reactor explosion it would be only the edge of the blast, not nearly enough to cripple the Epyon.
PostPosted: Sat Jun 03, 2006 10:55 pm


Well when you think about it all Epyon lost was an arm really it could still function I doubt the blast was enough to destroy Epyon I think perhaps Zechs made it back but Epyon didn't fare so bad getting Zechs back to Earth, it can most likely survive re-entry but with one missing arm there's a more exposed area, so it was risky, but possible.

Robin the Aussie


Colonel Lady Une
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 04, 2006 8:16 pm


Preventer Void
Everyone seemed to assume that it killed Zechs, but obviously they forgot that he's got a knack for making the impossible possible (which Heero himself says late in the series, years before Flaga did it), not to mention that he was piloting a Gundam, which are notoriously hard to destroy.
I remember that line! Didn't Sally say it in Episode 48? I think it went like this:

Sally: There's only one person who can make the impossible possible.
Relena: Heero?

I guess with Mu around it's two people now... xp
PostPosted: Sun Jun 04, 2006 9:08 pm


Colonel Lady Une
Zechs' return in EW does make me wonder how he survived. Shouldn't he have been obliterated along with that falling piece of Libra? Then again, Mu La Flaga (SEED) somehow managed to survive when Strike was clearly blown to pieces. They even show his helmet exploding and floating away... He clearly dies but because of the Special Edition movies, they edit his death out. Wtf?! How the hell does that work? At least Zechs' supposed 'death' isn't clearly shown...

yeah, hth does he survive. even tho i cant CLEARLY remember what happend at the end, i do know that i looked IMPOSSIBLE for Milyardo to survive.

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 05, 2006 1:25 am


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Colonel: They editted out Flaga's helmet in the movies so they could bring him back in Destiny as Neo Roanoke.
Exactly! But why? Fanservice? The dead who are clearly shown to die should stay dead. I bet alot of Gundam fans who don't have access to the movies were confused. Besides, you don't see Treize or Char coming back after being clearly killed off like Mu was...
PostPosted: Mon Jun 05, 2006 1:47 pm


Well, in an interview with the director, the reason they "revived" Andy Waltfeld was that there were no more cool adults. Maybe that's what he thought about Destiny.

Of course, he also admitted after the fact that a beam-coated shield shouldn't be able to block a positron cannon...

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Aona

PostPosted: Mon Jun 05, 2006 6:58 pm


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Well, in an interview with the director, the reason they "revived" Andy Waltfeld was that there were no more cool adults. Maybe that's what he thought about Destiny.

Of course, he also admitted after the fact that a beam-coated shield shouldn't be able to block a positron cannon...

Waltfeld is probably the coolest character in the show... and at least he had some major injuries to show that he only barely survived.
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