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 Posted: Sun Apr 30, 2006 6:34 pm
R u sure u wanna know my thoughts on abortion?
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Posted: Thu May 04, 2006 9:32 pm
thejesusfreak R u sure u wanna know my thoughts on abortion?
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LearningtoBreath63 Vice Captain
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Posted: Sat May 06, 2006 11:12 pm
Jakal Saba Naor OutkasTeen ya, but they don't kill grown babies, the don't kill at all, they stop the life, killing would mean the baby was already born, but thats not what happens, and stopping isn't murder, and god says nothing in the bible on the issue. also, just because your pro-choice doesn't mean your not pro-life, its just means that you think it should be a right whether you would have it done or not. If God knows us before we are born we are alive to Him. And He is all that matters. where does it say in the bible go knows us before we're born, god gaves us decisions right, and he can't judge us until he knows what decisions we're going to make, and he won't know if we'll turn from him at age 2 or not, i think he knows past and he knows everything from the present, but does not know past
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Posted: Sun May 07, 2006 7:38 am
OutkasTeen Jakal Saba Naor OutkasTeen ya, but they don't kill grown babies, the don't kill at all, they stop the life, killing would mean the baby was already born, but thats not what happens, and stopping isn't murder, and god says nothing in the bible on the issue. also, just because your pro-choice doesn't mean your not pro-life, its just means that you think it should be a right whether you would have it done or not. If God knows us before we are born we are alive to Him. And He is all that matters. where does it say in the bible go knows us before we're born, god gaves us decisions right, and he can't judge us until he knows what decisions we're going to make, and he won't know if we'll turn from him at age 2 or not, i think he knows past and he knows everything from the present, but does not know past Man you need to read more. If God is timeless. Then He exsists out of time. And if He exsists in that way everything has already happend, is happening, and will happen. He knows. As well I consider what you just said blasphemy. You are saying God is not omniscient. He is. I mean look at Jeremiah 1:5. There are other verses I just don't feel like getting them right now. If He knows us before we are born. He has to know the future. Or at least what it should be. If everything goes according to His plan. Sadly we decide to interfere with it on an hourly basis. But He still uses our interference for good. I mean we still do have free will. As well, I like to think, since God is omniscient, that He knows all possiblities of decisions and where they will lead and how likely they are. Because we still have free will. We still can choose.
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LearningtoBreath63 Vice Captain
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Posted: Wed May 10, 2006 4:54 pm
Jakal Saba Naor OutkasTeen Jakal Saba Naor OutkasTeen ya, but they don't kill grown babies, the don't kill at all, they stop the life, killing would mean the baby was already born, but thats not what happens, and stopping isn't murder, and god says nothing in the bible on the issue. also, just because your pro-choice doesn't mean your not pro-life, its just means that you think it should be a right whether you would have it done or not. If God knows us before we are born we are alive to Him. And He is all that matters. where does it say in the bible go knows us before we're born, god gaves us decisions right, and he can't judge us until he knows what decisions we're going to make, and he won't know if we'll turn from him at age 2 or not, i think he knows past and he knows everything from the present, but does not know past Man you need to read more. If God is timeless. Then He exsists out of time. And if He exsists in that way everything has already happend, is happening, and will happen. He knows. As well I consider what you just said blasphemy. You are saying God is not omniscient. He is. I mean look at Jeremiah 1:5. There are other verses I just don't feel like getting them right now. If He knows us before we are born. He has to know the future. Or at least what it should be. If everything goes according to His plan. Sadly we decide to interfere with it on an hourly basis. But He still uses our interference for good. I mean we still do have free will. As well, I like to think, since God is omniscient, that He knows all possiblities of decisions and where they will lead and how likely they are. Because we still have free will. We still can choose. your basically saying we have free will and can choose, but want to limit the right to choose (don't shoot yourself in the foot)
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Posted: Thu May 11, 2006 7:04 pm
OutkasTeen your basically saying we have free will and can choose, but want to limit the right to choose (don't shoot yourself in the foot) if it prevents death and sin? Yes. Which is the Christian thing to do? Prevent a murder, or let it happen because it is the person's right to choose to kill? And I think I have provided enough evidence that it is murder.
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Posted: Fri May 19, 2006 4:55 pm
.QuiltQ. thejesusfreak R u sure u wanna know my thoughts on abortion? But r us sure, i might start an argument. I don't want to offend anyone as you all (most of you) say I do on PURPOSE, yeah right! I don't, but still I don't want to offend or "discrimminate" against someone, like most people here say I do. Therefore, I will shutup 4 now!
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Posted: Wed May 24, 2006 3:26 pm
thejesusfreak .QuiltQ. thejesusfreak R u sure u wanna know my thoughts on abortion? But r us sure, i might start an argument. I don't want to offend anyone as you all (most of you) say I do on PURPOSE, yeah right! I don't, but still I don't want to offend or "discrimminate" against someone, like most people here say I do. Therefore, I will shutup 4 now! ya, just don't say anything offensive about people who make the choice to have abortions or anything like that
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LearningtoBreath63 Vice Captain
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Posted: Fri Jun 02, 2006 12:18 pm
I don't get on much because I don't have time but I decided to add my two cents into this debate. If you are offended well then I'm sorry.
I'm for pro-choice. Keep reading before you reply though. I'm for pro-choice only because God himself gave us free will. And it is not my job nor anyone else's to take away what he has given everyone. He gave us free will so that we can choose him, to love him, to stop sinning. Some view abortion as murder and sin. And maybe it is. I saw a video and I believe it to be murder but! That sin is no worse than me disobeying my parents. Because in God's eyes I had the choice of either listening to my parents or disobeying them. And I chose to sin so I would have to live with the consquences. No sin is worse than the other because the cost of sin is death. I forgot the verse but it's somewhere in the new testament. But it doesn't say a the cost of a specific sin is death. Is says the cost of SIN is death. BUt you know you get saved and all that good stuff. But my point is. We have the choice to sin dailey. We are given that free will be God. I can go into a store right now and I have the choice to steal or not. If I choose to, it doesn't make it right but I have a choice...But because of the law I will punished justly for it. Same with murdering someone. I have the choice to go into the next room and shoot someone. If I do so, I'll pay the just punishment for it because that would be consquence of my choice. So I'm for pro-choice. Everyone has the right to choose to end the pregnancy or not. Is the choice to do so right? Maybe, maybe not. Who am I or you to judge them? We've all sinned and not one of us received our punishment because Jesus took it for us. He took your death so you could go on and live eternally with God, if you choose to accept him and what he did. And even in his death you were given free will to accept or not...So why take free will out of this?
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Posted: Fri Jun 02, 2006 8:49 pm
Think about this. When Cain killed Abel all of Abel's decendants were cut off as well. They were never even born but God was still mad that all of those people were cut off. They were never even concieved. It says in the Bible we were predestinated. If you destroy even a fertalized egg it would probably in God's eyes be murder.
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Posted: Fri Jun 02, 2006 8:51 pm
Who are we to even think of taking somebody else out of this world. Only God should decide that. We do not have the right.
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Posted: Fri Jun 02, 2006 8:58 pm
I do not totally agree with you about all sin is the same SaraRenee. There is one sin that Jesus points out himself that is above the other sins.
MATTHEW 12:31
Wherefor I say unto you, All manner of SIN and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: BUT whosoever speaketh against the HOLY GHOST, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world or in the world to come.
It clearly states that if you sin against the Holy Spirit it is the only unforgivable sin.
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Posted: Fri Jun 02, 2006 10:35 pm
That in itself is a different scale. And just call me Sara, much easier. And that one is stated to be held higher and unforgiveable. But I wasn't talking about an unforgiveable sin. Everyone knows that sin and knows it's unforgiveable. Therefore I was clearly talking about sin that was able to be forgiven. And the ones that are able to be forgiven, one is not greater than the other. Because you as a saved soul still chose to disobey God's will and thats what sin is. If you wish I'll give you a whole list of sin and give you there definition but that is not meant in this debate, for this one is based on abortion and I was just using it to prove my point which I think I did and you can agree or disagree, your choice. But if you'd like the list and the meaning of each sin feel free to Private message me and I'll get it to you.
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Posted: Sat Jun 03, 2006 10:12 pm
Sara, I read your thoughts and I think you are pro-life if you believe abortion is a sin. You don't, however, want to legislate against it based on your ideas of freedom and free will. I'm with you on your opinions, though.
It's similar to how I feel about gay marriage: (thejesusfreak must stop reading here and may not comment on the following statements on this thread) I think gay marriage should be legal, simply because America was founded on ideals. One of those ideals being that all people are equal. By denying people the right to marry, you are saying in effect these people ARE NOT equal.
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Posted: Thu Jun 08, 2006 5:27 am
Jakal Saba Naor Jeremiah 1:5 "Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, before you were born I set you apart; I appointed you as a prophet to the nations." This is talking of Jeremiah I think. Need to read that book. Anyhow, I think the first part applies to all of us. He knew us before we were concieved. Hence we have life the moment we are concieved. Meaning the moment the sperm fertilizes the egg.
My stance is this: Pro-Life, no matter what. In the case of rape, if you get pregnant, have the child. Put it up for adoption. Give it to a family who CAN'T have children. In the case of premartial sex, you shouldn't have been having sex anyway. Therefore, deal with the consequences. Again, if you don't want the child, put it up for adoption. If you just don't want kids, put it up for adoption. There's a trend here. Like was stated in previous posts, once the sperm fertilizes the egg, the child is pretty much conceived.
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