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 Posted: Mon May 01, 2006 12:07 am
cowwwcowww The FLCL Guy cowwwcowww Azana Brown I can't speak for Cowww, but I think that pretty much covers it. Basicly yes, that answered some of my questions, but I do have others to ask, but I will do that later. Alright Seeing as you are on I will ask one now. Seeing as it is a forsaken(fallen) angel couldn't that mean that once you die it can take over your body and seeing as it is in you it is observing all that you do so it can mimic your actions later. It could have just told you you are a copy so you would let it in your body.... Could you elaborate on this? I see your point but the thing is in astral we use to look almost the same(I have more human qualities then him) also I knew him before he was forsaken.
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Posted: Mon May 08, 2006 10:22 pm
The FLCL Guy cowwwcowww The FLCL Guy cowwwcowww Azana Brown I can't speak for Cowww, but I think that pretty much covers it. Basicly yes, that answered some of my questions, but I do have others to ask, but I will do that later. Alright Seeing as you are on I will ask one now. Seeing as it is a forsaken(fallen) angel couldn't that mean that once you die it can take over your body and seeing as it is in you it is observing all that you do so it can mimic your actions later. It could have just told you you are a copy so you would let it in your body.... Could you elaborate on this? I see your point but the thing is in astral we use to look almost the same(I have more human qualities then him) also I knew him before he was forsaken.
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Posted: Tue May 09, 2006 3:49 pm
Joshua_Ritter The FLCL Guy cowwwcowww The FLCL Guy cowwwcowww Azana Brown I can't speak for Cowww, but I think that pretty much covers it. Basicly yes, that answered some of my questions, but I do have others to ask, but I will do that later. Alright Seeing as you are on I will ask one now. Seeing as it is a forsaken(fallen) angel couldn't that mean that once you die it can take over your body and seeing as it is in you it is observing all that you do so it can mimic your actions later. It could have just told you you are a copy so you would let it in your body.... Could you elaborate on this? I see your point but the thing is in astral we use to look almost the same(I have more human qualities then him) also I knew him before he was forsaken. Well an angel makes a copy to send to earth to have a son. And an angel is forsaken when he says he is going to kill God and really can
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Posted: Thu May 11, 2006 8:58 pm
He doesn't have to say or try to kill god(s) they could just disagree or do something that they shouldn't and fall.
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Posted: Sun May 14, 2006 7:01 pm
cowwwcowww He doesn't have to say or try to kill god(s) they could just disagree or do something that they shouldn't and fall. Falling and being forsaken is to differant things. When you fall God still "loves" you but when your forsaken God turns his back on you.
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Posted: Sun May 14, 2006 8:16 pm
The FLCL Guy cowwwcowww He doesn't have to say or try to kill god(s) they could just disagree or do something that they shouldn't and fall. Falling and being forsaken is to differant things. When you fall God still "loves" you but when your forsaken God turns his back on you.
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Posted: Sun May 14, 2006 9:00 pm
Joshua_Ritter The FLCL Guy cowwwcowww He doesn't have to say or try to kill god(s) they could just disagree or do something that they shouldn't and fall. Falling and being forsaken is to differant things. When you fall God still "loves" you but when your forsaken God turns his back on you. Its easy when you think of God as a normal being and not an all powerful thing
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Posted: Mon May 15, 2006 7:50 pm
Joshua_Ritter The FLCL Guy cowwwcowww He doesn't have to say or try to kill god(s) they could just disagree or do something that they shouldn't and fall. Falling and being forsaken is to differant things. When you fall God still "loves" you but when your forsaken God turns his back on you. Havn't you ever heard of Archangels? Such as Lucifer, who was forsaken.
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Posted: Mon May 15, 2006 8:12 pm
cowwwcowww Joshua_Ritter The FLCL Guy cowwwcowww He doesn't have to say or try to kill god(s) they could just disagree or do something that they shouldn't and fall. Falling and being forsaken is to differant things. When you fall God still "loves" you but when your forsaken God turns his back on you. Havn't you ever heard of Archangels? Such as Lucifer, who was forsaken. Actuely he fell and wasnt forsaken totaly becuase God still watches him.
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Posted: Tue May 16, 2006 6:00 am
Warning: The following post is mostly my skepticism talking, mixed with a bit of my own confusion and curiosity. Be forewarned.[skepticism] Zero Falling and being forsaken is to differant things. When you fall God still "loves" you but when your forsaken God turns his back on you. If there really is an "All-Loving-God" with "unlimited powers of forgiveness", it seems rather unlikely that he would completely abandon any of his children, don't you think? Could he not destroy that which he hath created? *raises eyebrow* Zero And an angel is forsaken when he says he is going to kill God and really can Besides, even if Zero did threaten/attempt to kill God, would a war not have broken out in the Heavens where all of the Angels(I'd imagine that Michael/Mikael would take a stand against the rebel for certain.) who desire to defend God would rise up against him, finding strength through unity to attempt to bring the traitor down? If such a war did break out, would there not be documentation of it as there was of the supposed war which ended with the damnation of Lucifer and his followers(One of which was Ariel..I think..@.@;; *needs to review her Angelology book*)? Also, if God created everything, including the infinite, would that not make him infinite as well? That's to say that his own existance would parallel the infinite number of things that he created? If he was infinite, and the fact that it was said that being in Heaven with him meant LIFE ETERNAL, then wouldn't that mean that it would be impossible to kill God?[/skepticism] [curiosity]Here's another question.. Since Angels have been known to appear in all sorts of religious writings all over the world..Does that mean that there is no right religion in that they are all right? That there are a whole bunch of different Gods out there right now and that Zero was serving under the "Christian" one? With regards to "Lucifer" and "Satan": Though it is often said that they are one and the same and are the 'devil', the "Ultimate Evil", I've been told that they were simply mistranslations of the Bible. "Lucifer" was apparently the Babylonian ruler who shot a flaming arrow towards the heavens to spite God or something before the tower of Babylon fell. "Satan", on the other hand, is often said to be a mistranslation from Hebrew; it apparently wasn't meant to designate a person but is actually supposed to mean "Rival" or something to that effect. I just thought that I'd input my two cents on that one and possibly see what those who would probably know more about the subject than I, had to say. sweatdrop [/curiosity] I hope that this post didn't seem rude, for that was not my intention at all. >.<
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Posted: Tue May 16, 2006 1:33 pm
Yagi Tessil Warning: The following post is mostly my skepticism talking, mixed with a bit of my own confusion and curiosity. Be forewarned.[skepticism] Zero Falling and being forsaken is to differant things. When you fall God still "loves" you but when your forsaken God turns his back on you. If there really is an "All-Loving-God" with "unlimited powers of forgiveness", it seems rather unlikely that he would completely abandon any of his children, don't you think? Could he not destroy that which he hath created? *raises eyebrow* Zero And an angel is forsaken when he says he is going to kill God and really can Besides, even if Zero did threaten/attempt to kill God, would a war not have broken out in the Heavens where all of the Angels(I'd imagine that Michael/Mikael would take a stand against the rebel for certain.) who desire to defend God would rise up against him, finding strength through unity to attempt to bring the traitor down? If such a war did break out, would there not be documentation of it as there was of the supposed war which ended with the damnation of Lucifer and his followers(One of which was Ariel..I think..@.@;; *needs to review her Angelology book*)? Also, if God created everything, including the infinite, would that not make him infinite as well? That's to say that his own existance would parallel the infinite number of things that he created? If he was infinite, and the fact that it was said that being in Heaven with him meant LIFE ETERNAL, then wouldn't that mean that it would be impossible to kill God?[/skepticism] [curiosity]Here's another question.. Since Angels have been known to appear in all sorts of religious writings all over the world..Does that mean that there is no right religion in that they are all right? That there are a whole bunch of different Gods out there right now and that Zero was serving under the "Christian" one? With regards to "Lucifer" and "Satan": Though it is often said that they are one and the same and are the 'devil', the "Ultimate Evil", I've been told that they were simply mistranslations of the Bible. "Lucifer" was apparently the Babylonian ruler who shot a flaming arrow towards the heavens to spite God or something before the tower of Babylon fell. "Satan", on the other hand, is often said to be a mistranslation from Hebrew; it apparently wasn't meant to designate a person but is actually supposed to mean "Rival" or something to that effect. I just thought that I'd input my two cents on that one and possibly see what those who would probably know more about the subject than I, had to say. sweatdrop [/curiosity] I hope that this post didn't seem rude, for that was not my intention at all. >.< Ok first thing is God is a ******** a*****e lier. Now that I said that you got to understand God did not make everything. 12 beings made the realms and him then two of the 12 had a child and he later is known by Raziel and is banned from heaven for having differant views then God and the fact he knows the truth about God. And if you look at religions they all have the same formate, an all powerful being and rules that you need to follow.
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Posted: Tue May 16, 2006 4:05 pm
Zero Ok first thing is God is a ******** a*****e lier. Now that I said that you got to understand God did not make everything. 12 beings made the realms and him then two of the 12 had a child and he later is known by Raziel and is banned from heaven for having differant views then God and the fact he knows the truth about God. And if you look at religions they all have the same formate, an all powerful being and rules that you need to follow. God is a liar? How so? What other things has he lied about? *raises an eyebrow* As for Raziel..He's actually in my Angelology-type Book. Let's see here.. Hoo boy..This is going to take awhile to type out.. Gustav Davidson's A Dictionary of Angels(including the fallen angels) Raziel("secret of God", "angel of mysteries" -Ratziel, Akrasiel, Gallizur, Saraqael, Suriel, etc.) -the "angel of the secret regions and chief of the Supreme Mysteries." [Rf. M. Gaster, The Sword of Moses.] In the cabala, Raziel is the personification of Cochma (divine wisdom), 2nd of the 10 holy sefiroth. In rabbinic lore, Raziel is the legendary author of The Book of the Angel Raziel ( Sefer Raziel), "wherein all celestial and earthly knowledge is set down." The true author is unknown but he has been commonly indentified as Eleazer of Worms or Issac the Blind, medieval writers. Legend has it that the angel Raziel handed his book to Adam, and that the other angels, out of envy, purloined the precious grimoire and cast it into the sea, whereat God ordered Eahab, primordial angel/demon of the deep, to fish it out and restore it to Adam--which Rahab obediently did, although it should be pointed out that before this, Rahab had been destroyed. The Book of the Angel Raziel finally came into possession of, first, Enoch(who, it is said, gave it out as his own work i.e., The Book of Enoch); then of Noah; then of Solomon, the latter deriving from it, according to demographers, his great knowledge and ppower in magic. [Rf. De Plancy, Dictionnaire Infernal.] From a midrash (Gizberg, The Legends of the Jews I, 154-157) it develops that Noah learned how to go about building the Ark by poring over the Raziel tome.[Rf. Jastrow, Hebrew and Babylonian Traditions] In Targum Ecclesiastres 10, 20, it is reported that "each day the angel Raziel, standing on Mount Horeb, proclaims the secrets of men to all mankind." Searching further in the cabala, one learns that Raziel is one of 10(actually one of 9) archangels in the Briatic world, which is the 2nd of 4 worlds of creation. In this Briastic world, each sefira is allotted an archangel to govern it, the chief being Metatron, the others being, apart from Raziel, Tzaphkiel, Tzadquiel, Kamael, Michael, Haniel, Raphael, Gabriel and Sandalphon--as we find in a listing by Macgregor Mathers.[Rf. Westcott, The Study of the Kabalah, pp. 54-55] According to Maimonides in his Mishna Thora, Raziel is chief of the order of erelim(q.v.); also, the herald of deity and preceptor angel of Adam. In further connection with The Book of the Angel Raziel, The Zohar I, 55a, reports that in the middle of the book there occurs a secret writing "explaining the 1,500 keys [to the mystery of the world] which were not revealed even to the holy angels." The noted 13th-century cabalist Abraham ben Samuel Abulafia wrote under the name of Raziel (also under the name of Zechariah.) *points to above entry on Raziel*..Same angel?..It says absolutely nothing about him being kicked out of heaven..@.@;; Is he a forsaken angel or a fallen angel?
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Posted: Tue May 16, 2006 6:01 pm
The FLCL Guy Yagi Tessil Warning: The following post is mostly my skepticism talking, mixed with a bit of my own confusion and curiosity. Be forewarned.[skepticism] Zero Falling and being forsaken is to differant things. When you fall God still "loves" you but when your forsaken God turns his back on you. If there really is an "All-Loving-God" with "unlimited powers of forgiveness", it seems rather unlikely that he would completely abandon any of his children, don't you think? Could he not destroy that which he hath created? *raises eyebrow* Zero And an angel is forsaken when he says he is going to kill God and really can Besides, even if Zero did threaten/attempt to kill God, would a war not have broken out in the Heavens where all of the Angels(I'd imagine that Michael/Mikael would take a stand against the rebel for certain.) who desire to defend God would rise up against him, finding strength through unity to attempt to bring the traitor down? If such a war did break out, would there not be documentation of it as there was of the supposed war which ended with the damnation of Lucifer and his followers(One of which was Ariel..I think..@.@;; *needs to review her Angelology book*)? Also, if God created everything, including the infinite, would that not make him infinite as well? That's to say that his own existance would parallel the infinite number of things that he created? If he was infinite, and the fact that it was said that being in Heaven with him meant LIFE ETERNAL, then wouldn't that mean that it would be impossible to kill God?[/skepticism] [curiosity]Here's another question.. Since Angels have been known to appear in all sorts of religious writings all over the world..Does that mean that there is no right religion in that they are all right? That there are a whole bunch of different Gods out there right now and that Zero was serving under the "Christian" one? With regards to "Lucifer" and "Satan": Though it is often said that they are one and the same and are the 'devil', the "Ultimate Evil", I've been told that they were simply mistranslations of the Bible. "Lucifer" was apparently the Babylonian ruler who shot a flaming arrow towards the heavens to spite God or something before the tower of Babylon fell. "Satan", on the other hand, is often said to be a mistranslation from Hebrew; it apparently wasn't meant to designate a person but is actually supposed to mean "Rival" or something to that effect. I just thought that I'd input my two cents on that one and possibly see what those who would probably know more about the subject than I, had to say. sweatdrop [/curiosity] I hope that this post didn't seem rude, for that was not my intention at all. >.< Ok first thing is God is a ******** a*****e lier. Now that I said that you got to understand God did not make everything. 12 beings made the realms and him then two of the 12 had a child and he later is known by Raziel and is banned from heaven for having differant views then God and the fact he knows the truth about God. And if you look at religions they all have the same formate, an all powerful being and rules that you need to follow.
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Posted: Tue May 16, 2006 8:12 pm
The FLCL Guy cowwwcowww Joshua_Ritter The FLCL Guy cowwwcowww He doesn't have to say or try to kill god(s) they could just disagree or do something that they shouldn't and fall. Falling and being forsaken is to differant things. When you fall God still "loves" you but when your forsaken God turns his back on you. Havn't you ever heard of Archangels? Such as Lucifer, who was forsaken. Actuely he fell and wasnt forsaken totaly becuase God still watches him. He was forsaken, from all the things I have read. Plus, from what you say what forsaken was he would be, he tried to get rid of "God".
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Posted: Wed May 17, 2006 3:55 pm
Yagi Tessil Zero Ok first thing is God is a ******** a*****e lier. Now that I said that you got to understand God did not make everything. 12 beings made the realms and him then two of the 12 had a child and he later is known by Raziel and is banned from heaven for having differant views then God and the fact he knows the truth about God. And if you look at religions they all have the same formate, an all powerful being and rules that you need to follow. God is a liar? How so? What other things has he lied about? *raises an eyebrow* As for Raziel..He's actually in my Angelology-type Book. Let's see here.. Hoo boy..This is going to take awhile to type out.. Gustav Davidson's A Dictionary of Angels(including the fallen angels) Raziel("secret of God", "angel of mysteries" -Ratziel, Akrasiel, Gallizur, Saraqael, Suriel, etc.) -the "angel of the secret regions and chief of the Supreme Mysteries." [Rf. M. Gaster, The Sword of Moses.] In the cabala, Raziel is the personification of Cochma (divine wisdom), 2nd of the 10 holy sefiroth. In rabbinic lore, Raziel is the legendary author of The Book of the Angel Raziel ( Sefer Raziel), "wherein all celestial and earthly knowledge is set down." The true author is unknown but he has been commonly indentified as Eleazer of Worms or Issac the Blind, medieval writers. Legend has it that the angel Raziel handed his book to Adam, and that the other angels, out of envy, purloined the precious grimoire and cast it into the sea, whereat God ordered Eahab, primordial angel/demon of the deep, to fish it out and restore it to Adam--which Rahab obediently did, although it should be pointed out that before this, Rahab had been destroyed. The Book of the Angel Raziel finally came into possession of, first, Enoch(who, it is said, gave it out as his own work i.e., The Book of Enoch); then of Noah; then of Solomon, the latter deriving from it, according to demographers, his great knowledge and ppower in magic. [Rf. De Plancy, Dictionnaire Infernal.] From a midrash (Gizberg, The Legends of the Jews I, 154-157) it develops that Noah learned how to go about building the Ark by poring over the Raziel tome.[Rf. Jastrow, Hebrew and Babylonian Traditions] In Targum Ecclesiastres 10, 20, it is reported that "each day the angel Raziel, standing on Mount Horeb, proclaims the secrets of men to all mankind." Searching further in the cabala, one learns that Raziel is one of 10(actually one of 9) archangels in the Briatic world, which is the 2nd of 4 worlds of creation. In this Briastic world, each sefira is allotted an archangel to govern it, the chief being Metatron, the others being, apart from Raziel, Tzaphkiel, Tzadquiel, Kamael, Michael, Haniel, Raphael, Gabriel and Sandalphon--as we find in a listing by Macgregor Mathers.[Rf. Westcott, The Study of the Kabalah, pp. 54-55] According to Maimonides in his Mishna Thora, Raziel is chief of the order of erelim(q.v.); also, the herald of deity and preceptor angel of Adam. In further connection with The Book of the Angel Raziel, The Zohar I, 55a, reports that in the middle of the book there occurs a secret writing "explaining the 1,500 keys [to the mystery of the world] which were not revealed even to the holy angels." The noted 13th-century cabalist Abraham ben Samuel Abulafia wrote under the name of Raziel (also under the name of Zechariah.) *points to above entry on Raziel*..Same angel?..It says absolutely nothing about him being kicked out of heaven..@.@;; Is he a forsaken angel or a fallen angel? God lied about many things. Why does everyone believe human based books on angels and such? Raziel is not an Angel he is the same type of being as God. And that Raziel is a false angel made up by the same person who made the book of Raziel which was the spell book for christians.
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