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 Posted: Sun May 21, 2006 12:09 am
I get hassled a lot because I don't drink. I was hanging out with a couple of guys from my JROTC class, and they almost kicked me out of the house because I didn't want a beer. But in the end, I took an O'Doul's to meet them halfway. (O'Doul's, for those not in the know, is a non-alocoholic beer)
Anyway, guys and girls, remember to stand up for what you believe in. If you wouldn't do it with Jesus standing next to you, don't do it at all. Kinda goes back to the old-school "WWJD," but it's completely appropriate in this case.
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Posted: Fri May 26, 2006 9:04 pm
Nice Job standing up for your values... we need more people like you.
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LearningtoBreath63 Vice Captain
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Posted: Fri May 26, 2006 9:08 pm
Radical Green Crayon I get hassled a lot because I don't drink. I was hanging out with a couple of guys from my JROTC class, and they almost kicked me out of the house because I didn't want a beer. But in the end, I took an O'Doul's to meet them halfway. (O'Doul's, for those not in the know, is a non-alocoholic beer) Anyway, guys and girls, remember to stand up for what you believe in. If you wouldn't do it with Jesus standing next to you, don't do it at all. Kinda goes back to the old-school "WWJD," but it's completely appropriate in this case. good save there
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Posted: Mon Jun 05, 2006 8:23 pm
Just a general hwo to question. And maybe I'm posting this in the wrong thread if so I apologize. But I do have a problem that'd I like opions on. Anyways. What's your view on how to handle someone you know turnings gay on you? I mean my brother just admitted he's gay. He's my twin at that (Faternal...Obviously cuz I'ma chick) And well it's just really odd in my house. And I'm not sure where I stand exactly. I know it's sin and it's wrong. And I'll never approve of him being gay. I just won't because it's not right. And the excuse he was born that way is false because everyone is born gay, with the capacity(sp) to be gay, since we are all born in to sin, since we all inherited. I know the scriptures, I know the sin. But still I have to live with him and I love him. I personally don't like my brother much but I love him nonetheless. So how do you deal with something like that? How do you help them? What should you ask to do? How do you pray for him? And how do you help your family stay together when everyone handles this differently? My mom is going or trying to get herself into a complete denial and well my dad is trying, or he thinks, he's the voice of reason. Ok thats my problem and again sorry if this is in the wrong thread.
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Posted: Mon Jun 05, 2006 8:57 pm
I won't approve it. Never will happen. Sorry but that's just a lifestyle I won't approve of. Same thing with a drug lifestyle. I strongly disagree with it. And God would not want me to encourage sinful behavior, which it is.
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Posted: Mon Jun 05, 2006 9:29 pm
God made everyone that way. I was born just as gay as he was. But I know the sin in it and I am saved. God will not let a gay person into heaven. It is sin. My brother not only is gay but doesn't even believe in God. Why would God accept something he, himself said was sin? He wouldn't. Just because the world is coming to accept doesn't mean God is. And in my oppion in a spiritual since it's just as harmful. Because both will get you sent to hell. I will not encourage him to be gay and I will not approve of it because I don't. Neither does God. God still loves him though and I wish he'd see that. But for him to he'd have to believe that a God exsisted. And besides he won't lose friends he has like four or five. And like one of them is gay and the other is Bi...And only my family knows my brother is Gay with the exception of two friends who saw me crying.
1 Corinthians 6:9-11 (NIV)
Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. And that is what some of you were. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God
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Posted: Tue Jun 06, 2006 5:30 pm
I don't think that verse was meant to say, "Even if you put your faith in My Son, if you do blank, blank, or blank, I'm kicking you out of heaven because I hate gay people."
Your brother needs your love. You can let him know that you don't approve and pont out that God disapproves of homosexuality, but just because you don't like it won't make your brother change. Only the Holy Spirit can do that, so just love and support him. Being gay doesn't make him any less your twin.
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Posted: Tue Jun 06, 2006 9:09 pm
I've talked to my leader and she says my beliefs are right. I'm not judging him. I'm staying what the bible says, you can't get into heaven when you are a homosexual. My Pastor just talked about this the other day. And everyone is born gay. Everyone is born with the same capacity become gay. We are born and all have inherited the same curse of sin from generation to generation. It's whether or not your convictions and faith are strong enough in the Lord whether you act on them or not. Or realize, hey that's not what I was created for. It also says To judge a tree by the fruit that is produce. If a tree produces bad fruit, then the tree is bad. If the tree produces good fruit the tree is good. A good tree cannot produce bad fruit, and a bad tree cannot produce good fruit. That is somewhere in Matthew I do believe. I can't remember the exact verse but yes that is how it is. And my question was not whether or not I should encourage his behavior and approve of it and accept it. Because I know that answer is no. You don't encourage sin. And yes I know God can forgive sin and he can forgive homosexuality. But for it to be forgiven that person has to turn from that lifestyle and repent asking God for forgiveness. BUT! my brother doesn't even believe in God therefore that theory is shot.
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Posted: Tue Jun 06, 2006 9:20 pm
@ hybirid theories
He knows I disapprove of it and if you read what I put I stated that I would never disown my brother and blah blah...Geeze. But you aren't going to get into heaven if you are a homosexual...That's straight sin and if you are a saved Christian still sinning thats even worse than a lost person sinning. But my brother doesn't even believe in God so he'd go to hell anyways. But my question was, not whether I should disown him or not because surely I never would. He is my twin and I love. Don't like him but I love. My question was how do you help someone who doesn't realize they are in sin and what should you pray to God about?
So if anyone else has any other responses if they are about how I should just love him and support him, don't bother posting it because I will never support the gay lifestyle. I have friends who are gay but I don't approve of it nor support them in the lifestyle. I don't hate gay people just strongly disapprove of the lifestyle so don't tell me to support him or encourage him because you are wasting your time because that is strongly against my beliefs and my church's beliefs. And that was long against my beliefs before I wasn't even Christian.
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Posted: Tue Jun 06, 2006 9:57 pm
I don't really appreciate the hostility. You came here asking for help. WE offer it and you get angry? Then don't post if you don't want to hear what weve got to say. Second, you never said you wouldn't disowwn your brother. Third, you contradictred yourself. You said that everyone is born gay, then said everyone is born with the capacity to be gay. You can't have it both ways, you've got to choose one.
Now, forget everything you know about homosexuality for a moment and stop judging your brother. First and foremost, your brother doesn't know Christ, so why should He care what the Bible says, if he doesn't believe there's a god? It's like saying that somebody should believe a book written by somebody who never existed. It makes no sense.
So first, just be Jesus to your brother. Love him like Christ would. Jesus hung out and ate supper with the sinners, so why not you? If he sees Christ in you, he may come to know JEsus as well, it'll just take time.
And as for homosexuals not being allowed into heaven? I see a bit of flawed logic there. My grandfather loved Jesus with all his heart. He was also an alcoholic. Does that mean that even though he gave his life to Christ, he's burning in hell right now? Saying that homosexuality disqualifies somebody from getting in Heaven would be saying that homosexuality is worse than other sins. Have you ever shoplifted? According to your logic, you aren't going to heaven because you're a thief. God doesn't care how much you love Him...you stole. Bye bye. Does that make any sense to you? No? Me neither.
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Posted: Wed Jun 07, 2006 10:17 am
I'm not getting angry but I'm also getting advice on something I didn't ask for. I asked what should I pray about to God and how should I help him to get to know God...No where in there did I ask how to love him and what not. And I said he can get to heaven if he repents and ask God for forgiveness. I know no sin is greater than any other and all can be forgiven but the trick is you have to be born again and ask for forgiveness. That is why I say he won't get into heaven. But my question never was all my brother doesn't believe in God and won't get into heaven because he is gay. It was what do you ask God for, what do you pray for about that? THAT was my question and no I got jumped on by saying I'm judging which I am not. The bible clearly says a homosexual will not inhert the kingdom of God. But it does say if the repent and accept Jesus as their Lord and Savoir they can. I know the scripture. And I know what I am talking about. But my questions nor my problem had anything to do with judging, scripture, or how to love and accept and encourage my brother. It was how do I pray for him and what to ask God for. I treat my brother like I treat everyone else. Maybe not as nice as I should but that's because my brother isn't the nicest person. But if anything when I'm with my brother I act like me 100% because I know he doesn't mind me being me. And the same with him towards me. He knows I love him and that he can be himself around me and he is for the most part. Except for the cussing and his choice of music sometimes. Because I just don't like what he listens too. But I wasn't getting hostil, I'm just not wanting to hear accept him and encourage him because I've stated I won't and I won't. I posted a question and instead of getting help for that question I'm getting jumped on for being a judger and blah blah and that it's wrong I won't accept his way of life or approve of it. That is what I'm annoyed with. But anger and hostil? Nope surely not. Maybe it seems that way but you can't see me or hear my attitude as I type. It takes a lot to anger me or make me "hostil" which I don't think I ever been.
You are born into sin and you are born gay or with the capacity to be gay. You can say either, depends on how you look at it. But because we all inhert the same sin, the same curse we are all born with the that same sin. And being gay is one of those sin. We are all born with the capacity to be gay, just not everyone chooses to be gay. And it's not oh well God made him that way. What about the murders? SOme of those where born the way they were born, doesn't make it right what they did. Yea no one is getting hurt in a gay lifestyle but it's still disobeying God. But if the murder repents and turns from their sin they go to heaven, Moses is a perfect example of that. Andf I believe the same thing can happen to a gay person. For them to repent and turn from their sin and to enter the kingdom of heaven.
And I never I would disown my brother. but you make a good point I never said I wouldn't either. But now let me bring out my good question. I said I love my brother, why would I disown someone I love? Thats like saying I'm straving right now and there's food right there but I choose not to eat it because it isn't my favorite food. That would be dumb if I was straving. I'd eat the food. As in the same way I don't like what my brother is doing and I disapprove of it but no matter what I will always love him. Nothing could ever change that or break the bond me and him have because we are twins. So therefore I didn't see it as a need to state that I wouldn't disown him since I mentioned I loved him.
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