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 Posted: Thu Apr 10, 2014 2:31 pm
Boku_ha_Ronnel I just want to know, why is medical mentioned here, but not in the battle systems thread? I'm confused on that. Otherwise, of the two, I prefer the new system. Updated
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Posted: Thu Apr 10, 2014 2:36 pm
The Prophet Wei malavaes The Prophet Wei malavaes The old one is better in my opinion. It's simpler and more flexible to certain situations while the new system seems stiff and complicated. But it's whatever to me. The only issue I have is the way in which people perform genjutsu. Care to go in depth? Genjutsu are simply too easy to execute and perma hit in role play. Itachi for example completely wrecked Kakashi just by looking at him. It's a problem even in the manga. It sucks when my character gets put into an illusion which is impossible to get out of due to his low resistance and it only took the enemy two sentences to get him caught. Well firstly I'll say with the old or new system until things are looked at genjutsu are pretty much impossible to hit unless your opponent is either A.) an idiot, or B.) waaaaaaay too descriptive/has too high a perception. That aside if you make a character who is completely and totally weak to genjutsu and you get caught in a genjutsu, chances are you'll be ********. It does suck if you have low resistances in RP and get hit by a genjutsu, but it also sucks to have low physical resistance and get ko'd by a low kick from a level one machop. Or to be weak to fire type attacks and be fighting an infernape. But you have to be wary of the consequences when you make a character and the new system rewards genjutsu and other chakra based classes over their weaker counterparts in regards to it while punishing the ones who aren't by giving them a legitimate scale as opposed to letting anyone auto-kai. It does suck to have low physical physical resistance. Even though that lvl 1 machop would be punching the air since the enemy looked at him in the eyes. Agree with me or not I think the old one is better imo. It has room for evolution, is easy to understand for less experienced battle system role players and doesn't make genjutsu seem like the favored child compared to the other styles which have simple rules themselves.
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___youwillknownihilism Vice Captain
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Posted: Thu Apr 10, 2014 2:47 pm
malavaes The Prophet Wei malavaes The Prophet Wei malavaes The old one is better in my opinion. It's simpler and more flexible to certain situations while the new system seems stiff and complicated. But it's whatever to me. The only issue I have is the way in which people perform genjutsu. Care to go in depth? Genjutsu are simply too easy to execute and perma hit in role play. Itachi for example completely wrecked Kakashi just by looking at him. It's a problem even in the manga. It sucks when my character gets put into an illusion which is impossible to get out of due to his low resistance and it only took the enemy two sentences to get him caught. Well firstly I'll say with the old or new system until things are looked at genjutsu are pretty much impossible to hit unless your opponent is either A.) an idiot, or B.) waaaaaaay too descriptive/has too high a perception. That aside if you make a character who is completely and totally weak to genjutsu and you get caught in a genjutsu, chances are you'll be ********. It does suck if you have low resistances in RP and get hit by a genjutsu, but it also sucks to have low physical resistance and get ko'd by a low kick from a level one machop. Or to be weak to fire type attacks and be fighting an infernape. But you have to be wary of the consequences when you make a character and the new system rewards genjutsu and other chakra based classes over their weaker counterparts in regards to it while punishing the ones who aren't by giving them a legitimate scale as opposed to letting anyone auto-kai. It does suck to have low physical physical resistance. Even though that lvl 1 machop would be punching the air since the enemy looked at him in the eyes. Agree with me or not I think the old one is better imo. It has room for evolution, is easy to understand for less experienced battle system role players and doesn't make genjutsu seem like the favored child compared to the other styles which have simple rules themselves. You realize that the old system ******** you over waaaay harder than the new system does right? Because considering that there is now base perception keeping the old system means we would have have to then buff genjutsu to have modifiers that level out the playing field in regards to free perception per rank, meaning itd be easier to get two ranks higher than someone else with a genjutsu. Keeping to your logic, incorrect as it is, that you can look at someone and lock them in a genjutsu then I could make a genin right now with certain things and the old system would let me OHKO them. At least the new system gives you a fighting chance, but your opinion is yours.
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Posted: Thu Apr 10, 2014 2:58 pm
The Prophet Wei malavaes The Prophet Wei malavaes The Prophet Wei malavaes The old one is better in my opinion. It's simpler and more flexible to certain situations while the new system seems stiff and complicated. But it's whatever to me. The only issue I have is the way in which people perform genjutsu. Care to go in depth? Genjutsu are simply too easy to execute and perma hit in role play. Itachi for example completely wrecked Kakashi just by looking at him. It's a problem even in the manga. It sucks when my character gets put into an illusion which is impossible to get out of due to his low resistance and it only took the enemy two sentences to get him caught. Well firstly I'll say with the old or new system until things are looked at genjutsu are pretty much impossible to hit unless your opponent is either A.) an idiot, or B.) waaaaaaay too descriptive/has too high a perception. That aside if you make a character who is completely and totally weak to genjutsu and you get caught in a genjutsu, chances are you'll be ********. It does suck if you have low resistances in RP and get hit by a genjutsu, but it also sucks to have low physical resistance and get ko'd by a low kick from a level one machop. Or to be weak to fire type attacks and be fighting an infernape. But you have to be wary of the consequences when you make a character and the new system rewards genjutsu and other chakra based classes over their weaker counterparts in regards to it while punishing the ones who aren't by giving them a legitimate scale as opposed to letting anyone auto-kai. It does suck to have low physical physical resistance. Even though that lvl 1 machop would be punching the air since the enemy looked at him in the eyes. Agree with me or not I think the old one is better imo. It has room for evolution, is easy to understand for less experienced battle system role players and doesn't make genjutsu seem like the favored child compared to the other styles which have simple rules themselves. You realize that the old system ******** you over waaaay harder than the new system does right? Because considering that there is now base perception keeping the old system means we would have have to then buff genjutsu to have modifiers that level out the playing field in regards to free perception per rank, meaning itd be easier to get two ranks higher than someone else with a genjutsu. Keeping to your logic, incorrect as it is, that you can look at someone and lock them in a genjutsu then I could make a genin right now with certain things and the old system would let me OHKO them. At least the new system gives you a fighting chance, but your opinion is yours. If you had read my first post slowly you'd understand that my problem isn't with the systems, but with genjutsu in general. Whether it's a simple system that never mentions "buffing genjutsu" or a complicated, tedious to read and all over the place system I do not like genjutsu. And my logic is as correct as logic can get. I'd advise to read up on the sharingan. And by your logic you'd make a meta character simply to become Based God in RP instead of actually making a character that has a story. At least I make my characters without having a graph of best clans/perks/bloodlines. But your opinions is yours i guess.
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___youwillknownihilism Vice Captain
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Posted: Thu Apr 10, 2014 3:13 pm
malavaes The Prophet Wei malavaes The Prophet Wei malavaes Genjutsu are simply too easy to execute and perma hit in role play. Itachi for example completely wrecked Kakashi just by looking at him. It's a problem even in the manga. It sucks when my character gets put into an illusion which is impossible to get out of due to his low resistance and it only took the enemy two sentences to get him caught. Well firstly I'll say with the old or new system until things are looked at genjutsu are pretty much impossible to hit unless your opponent is either A.) an idiot, or B.) waaaaaaay too descriptive/has too high a perception. That aside if you make a character who is completely and totally weak to genjutsu and you get caught in a genjutsu, chances are you'll be ********. It does suck if you have low resistances in RP and get hit by a genjutsu, but it also sucks to have low physical resistance and get ko'd by a low kick from a level one machop. Or to be weak to fire type attacks and be fighting an infernape. But you have to be wary of the consequences when you make a character and the new system rewards genjutsu and other chakra based classes over their weaker counterparts in regards to it while punishing the ones who aren't by giving them a legitimate scale as opposed to letting anyone auto-kai. It does suck to have low physical physical resistance. Even though that lvl 1 machop would be punching the air since the enemy looked at him in the eyes. Agree with me or not I think the old one is better imo. It has room for evolution, is easy to understand for less experienced battle system role players and doesn't make genjutsu seem like the favored child compared to the other styles which have simple rules themselves. You realize that the old system ******** you over waaaay harder than the new system does right? Because considering that there is now base perception keeping the old system means we would have have to then buff genjutsu to have modifiers that level out the playing field in regards to free perception per rank, meaning itd be easier to get two ranks higher than someone else with a genjutsu. Keeping to your logic, incorrect as it is, that you can look at someone and lock them in a genjutsu then I could make a genin right now with certain things and the old system would let me OHKO them. At least the new system gives you a fighting chance, but your opinion is yours. If you had read my first post slowly you'd understand that my problem isn't with the systems, but with genjutsu in general. Whether it's a simple system that never mentions "buffing genjutsu" or a complicated, tedious to read and all over the place system I do not like genjutsu. And my logic is as correct as logic can get. I'd advise to read up on the sharingan. And by your logic you'd make a meta character simply to become Based God in RP instead of actually making a character that has a story. At least I make my characters without having a graph of best clans/perks/bloodlines. But your opinions is yours i guess. So wait, you don't like genjutsu because you can cast tsukiyomi by making eye contact? Even if it's worded oddly on our list, which I admit it is, you have to make eye contact with them for that to work. Simple way to avoid that, is to not look in their eyes. And besides if you don't like genjutsu in general than this was pointless to talk about. Let's backtrack to the second half of your original post then, since the first one seems to have been pointless based on what you just said. This part is for everyone to see btw, not just mayo. You can't autohit with most genjutsu. Point blank period. I can throw my hands around in your face all I want but unless you look at my hands it won't work as it stands. Or my eyes. Or whatever the trigger is. You HAVE to be affected by the trigger. So in this guild, genjutsu are almost never autohits. Now the creative few who wanna try genjutsu may get you all based on simple logic (if you have high perception and my chakra starts glowing in my eyes you're gonna look lol) but that still affords the oppurtunity for counter play... Unless we keep the old system and they buff their genjutsu. Did I read your post slowly enough that time? Because it still looks like your argument is false unless I missed something. Now onto the ever present "i make my char for the story/fun not to be strong." I do all those at once, which isn't hard. Now if you wanna make a character that's weak but has a good story expect death to be swift unless you never participate in anything, and even then if you do that why not just RP by yourself? I won't create an environment that fosters the weak and limits the strong, and if that means making a slightly longer/more complicated genjutsu system then it'll happen. Taijutsu don't need a specific system... yet. Neither do ninjutsu to the same extent, but genjutsu needs to be looked at from multiple angles, not just "did it hit and how old are you." If you want a system for how to defend against nin, tai, or buki jutsu ask and it'll happen lol. In fact, most of that already exists.
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Posted: Thu Apr 10, 2014 3:25 pm
The Prophet Wei malavaes The Prophet Wei malavaes The Prophet Wei malavaes Genjutsu are simply too easy to execute and perma hit in role play. Itachi for example completely wrecked Kakashi just by looking at him. It's a problem even in the manga. It sucks when my character gets put into an illusion which is impossible to get out of due to his low resistance and it only took the enemy two sentences to get him caught. Well firstly I'll say with the old or new system until things are looked at genjutsu are pretty much impossible to hit unless your opponent is either A.) an idiot, or B.) waaaaaaay too descriptive/has too high a perception. That aside if you make a character who is completely and totally weak to genjutsu and you get caught in a genjutsu, chances are you'll be ********. It does suck if you have low resistances in RP and get hit by a genjutsu, but it also sucks to have low physical resistance and get ko'd by a low kick from a level one machop. Or to be weak to fire type attacks and be fighting an infernape. But you have to be wary of the consequences when you make a character and the new system rewards genjutsu and other chakra based classes over their weaker counterparts in regards to it while punishing the ones who aren't by giving them a legitimate scale as opposed to letting anyone auto-kai. It does suck to have low physical physical resistance. Even though that lvl 1 machop would be punching the air since the enemy looked at him in the eyes. Agree with me or not I think the old one is better imo. It has room for evolution, is easy to understand for less experienced battle system role players and doesn't make genjutsu seem like the favored child compared to the other styles which have simple rules themselves. You realize that the old system ******** you over waaaay harder than the new system does right? Because considering that there is now base perception keeping the old system means we would have have to then buff genjutsu to have modifiers that level out the playing field in regards to free perception per rank, meaning itd be easier to get two ranks higher than someone else with a genjutsu. Keeping to your logic, incorrect as it is, that you can look at someone and lock them in a genjutsu then I could make a genin right now with certain things and the old system would let me OHKO them. At least the new system gives you a fighting chance, but your opinion is yours. If you had read my first post slowly you'd understand that my problem isn't with the systems, but with genjutsu in general. Whether it's a simple system that never mentions "buffing genjutsu" or a complicated, tedious to read and all over the place system I do not like genjutsu. And my logic is as correct as logic can get. I'd advise to read up on the sharingan. And by your logic you'd make a meta character simply to become Based God in RP instead of actually making a character that has a story. At least I make my characters without having a graph of best clans/perks/bloodlines. But your opinions is yours i guess. So wait, you don't like genjutsu because you can cast tsukiyomi by making eye contact? Even if it's worded oddly on our list, which I admit it is, you have to make eye contact with them for that to work. Simple way to avoid that, is to not look in their eyes. And besides if you don't like genjutsu in general than this was pointless to talk about. Let's backtrack to the second half of your original post then, since the first one seems to have been pointless based on what you just said. This part is for everyone to see btw, not just mayo. You can't autohit with most genjutsu. Point blank period. I can throw my hands around in your face all I want but unless you look at my hands it won't work as it stands. Or my eyes. Or whatever the trigger is. You HAVE to be affected by the trigger. So in this guild, genjutsu are almost never autohits. Now the creative few who wanna try genjutsu may get you all based on simple logic (if you have high perception and my chakra starts glowing in my eyes you're gonna look lol) but that still affords the oppurtunity for counter play... Unless we keep the old system and they buff their genjutsu. Did I read your post slowly enough that time? Because it still looks like your argument is false unless I missed something. Now onto the ever present "i make my char for the story/fun not to be strong." I do all those at once, which isn't hard. Now if you wanna make a character that's weak but has a good story expect death to be swift unless you never participate in anything, and even then if you do that why not just RP by yourself? I won't create an environment that fosters the weak and limits the strong, and if that means making a slightly longer/more complicated genjutsu system then it'll happen. Taijutsu don't need a specific system... yet. Neither do ninjutsu to the same extent, but genjutsu needs to be looked at from multiple angles, not just "did it hit and how old are you." If you want a system for how to defend against nin, tai, or buki jutsu ask and it'll happen lol. In fact, most of that already exists. I would most definately make a weak character and accept that death with open arms if it was a great ride up until then. That is why I rp. For the story. I had a very and I mean VERY powerful shinobi in another guild. The most fun I had with him was during his weak stage, but I guess we all get off on different things. But now this is something that I see very often. Why would I not look into the eyes of my enemy thus triggering a technique? A guild rule is to not use info you know from the outside in battle so why would I for that one particular moment say, "hey i don't know anything about your techniques, but I have a sudden urge to look at my feet!" This excludes those with high perception and can tell. My argument is where it stands. I do not like genjutsu both in rp and in the manga. I don't even see this as an argument. Holy s**t people wanna play bball all of a sudden brb.
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___youwillknownihilism Vice Captain
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Posted: Thu Apr 10, 2014 3:36 pm
malavaes The Prophet Wei malavaes The Prophet Wei malavaes It does suck to have low physical physical resistance. Even though that lvl 1 machop would be punching the air since the enemy looked at him in the eyes. Agree with me or not I think the old one is better imo. It has room for evolution, is easy to understand for less experienced battle system role players and doesn't make genjutsu seem like the favored child compared to the other styles which have simple rules themselves. You realize that the old system ******** you over waaaay harder than the new system does right? Because considering that there is now base perception keeping the old system means we would have have to then buff genjutsu to have modifiers that level out the playing field in regards to free perception per rank, meaning itd be easier to get two ranks higher than someone else with a genjutsu. Keeping to your logic, incorrect as it is, that you can look at someone and lock them in a genjutsu then I could make a genin right now with certain things and the old system would let me OHKO them. At least the new system gives you a fighting chance, but your opinion is yours. If you had read my first post slowly you'd understand that my problem isn't with the systems, but with genjutsu in general. Whether it's a simple system that never mentions "buffing genjutsu" or a complicated, tedious to read and all over the place system I do not like genjutsu. And my logic is as correct as logic can get. I'd advise to read up on the sharingan. And by your logic you'd make a meta character simply to become Based God in RP instead of actually making a character that has a story. At least I make my characters without having a graph of best clans/perks/bloodlines. But your opinions is yours i guess. So wait, you don't like genjutsu because you can cast tsukiyomi by making eye contact? Even if it's worded oddly on our list, which I admit it is, you have to make eye contact with them for that to work. Simple way to avoid that, is to not look in their eyes. And besides if you don't like genjutsu in general than this was pointless to talk about. Let's backtrack to the second half of your original post then, since the first one seems to have been pointless based on what you just said. This part is for everyone to see btw, not just mayo. You can't autohit with most genjutsu. Point blank period. I can throw my hands around in your face all I want but unless you look at my hands it won't work as it stands. Or my eyes. Or whatever the trigger is. You HAVE to be affected by the trigger. So in this guild, genjutsu are almost never autohits. Now the creative few who wanna try genjutsu may get you all based on simple logic (if you have high perception and my chakra starts glowing in my eyes you're gonna look lol) but that still affords the oppurtunity for counter play... Unless we keep the old system and they buff their genjutsu. Did I read your post slowly enough that time? Because it still looks like your argument is false unless I missed something. Now onto the ever present "i make my char for the story/fun not to be strong." I do all those at once, which isn't hard. Now if you wanna make a character that's weak but has a good story expect death to be swift unless you never participate in anything, and even then if you do that why not just RP by yourself? I won't create an environment that fosters the weak and limits the strong, and if that means making a slightly longer/more complicated genjutsu system then it'll happen. Taijutsu don't need a specific system... yet. Neither do ninjutsu to the same extent, but genjutsu needs to be looked at from multiple angles, not just "did it hit and how old are you." If you want a system for how to defend against nin, tai, or buki jutsu ask and it'll happen lol. In fact, most of that already exists. I would most definately make a weak character and accept that death with open arms if it was a great ride up until then. That is why I rp. For the story. I had a very and I mean VERY powerful shinobi in another guild. The most fun I had with him was during his weak stage, but I guess we all get off on different things. But now this is something that I see very often. Why would I not look into the eyes of my enemy thus triggering a technique? A guild rule is to not use info you know from the outside in battle so why would I for that one particular moment say, "hey i don't know anything about your techniques, but I have a sudden urge to look at my feet!" This excludes those with high perception and can tell. My argument is where it stands. I do not like genjutsu both in rp and in the manga. I don't even see this as an argument. Holy s**t people wanna play bball all of a sudden brb.
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Posted: Thu Apr 10, 2014 3:55 pm
So wait, the way I'm reading this is a pure tenjutsu character is impossible and stupid because people can just not look at my crap? Well... crap. That's annoying... I might have to rethink my character... crap...
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___youwillknownihilism Vice Captain
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Posted: Thu Apr 10, 2014 3:58 pm
Disturbed Otaku So wait, the way I'm reading this is a pure tenjutsu character is impossible and stupid because people can just not look at my crap? Well... crap. That's annoying... I might have to rethink my character... crap... Essentially. But don't fret. I'm trying to fix that as it is. But you complaining is enough to spark a rebellion hopefully. Jokes. No you'll be okay trust me.
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Posted: Thu Apr 10, 2014 5:18 pm
The Prophet Wei Disturbed Otaku So wait, the way I'm reading this is a pure tenjutsu character is impossible and stupid because people can just not look at my crap? Well... crap. That's annoying... I might have to rethink my character... crap... Essentially. But don't fret. I'm trying to fix that as it is. But you complaining is enough to spark a rebellion hopefully. Jokes. No you'll be okay trust me. Hmmmm quick question. Are we allowed to pull a Tayuya and use Genjutsu through an instrument? I'd like that a lot lol
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Posted: Thu Apr 10, 2014 6:03 pm
Disturbed Otaku The Prophet Wei Disturbed Otaku So wait, the way I'm reading this is a pure tenjutsu character is impossible and stupid because people can just not look at my crap? Well... crap. That's annoying... I might have to rethink my character... crap... Essentially. But don't fret. I'm trying to fix that as it is. But you complaining is enough to spark a rebellion hopefully. Jokes. No you'll be okay trust me. Hmmmm quick question. Are we allowed to pull a Tayuya and use Genjutsu through an instrument? I'd like that a lot lol could be possible
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Posted: Thu Apr 10, 2014 11:40 pm
Disturbed Otaku The Prophet Wei Disturbed Otaku So wait, the way I'm reading this is a pure tenjutsu character is impossible and stupid because people can just not look at my crap? Well... crap. That's annoying... I might have to rethink my character... crap... Essentially. But don't fret. I'm trying to fix that as it is. But you complaining is enough to spark a rebellion hopefully. Jokes. No you'll be okay trust me. Hmmmm quick question. Are we allowed to pull a Tayuya and use Genjutsu through an instrument? I'd like that a lot lol
And that, my lovelies, is one of Harky's lessons on using genjutsu in the role-playing situations.
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Posted: Thu Apr 10, 2014 11:50 pm
iMama Harkles Disturbed Otaku The Prophet Wei Disturbed Otaku So wait, the way I'm reading this is a pure tenjutsu character is impossible and stupid because people can just not look at my crap? Well... crap. That's annoying... I might have to rethink my character... crap... Essentially. But don't fret. I'm trying to fix that as it is. But you complaining is enough to spark a rebellion hopefully. Jokes. No you'll be okay trust me. Hmmmm quick question. Are we allowed to pull a Tayuya and use Genjutsu through an instrument? I'd like that a lot lol
And that, my lovelies, is one of Harky's lessons on using genjutsu in the role-playing situations.I have never used Genjutsu before... I feel like I should keep an eye out for when you're fighting and learn a little bit. THANK YOU!!!! biggrin
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Posted: Thu Apr 10, 2014 11:52 pm
Disturbed Otaku iMama Harkles Disturbed Otaku The Prophet Wei Disturbed Otaku So wait, the way I'm reading this is a pure tenjutsu character is impossible and stupid because people can just not look at my crap? Well... crap. That's annoying... I might have to rethink my character... crap... Essentially. But don't fret. I'm trying to fix that as it is. But you complaining is enough to spark a rebellion hopefully. Jokes. No you'll be okay trust me. Hmmmm quick question. Are we allowed to pull a Tayuya and use Genjutsu through an instrument? I'd like that a lot lol
And that, my lovelies, is one of Harky's lessons on using genjutsu in the role-playing situations.I have never used Genjutsu before... I feel like I should keep an eye out for when you're fighting and learn a little bit. THANK YOU!!!! biggrin
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Posted: Tue Apr 29, 2014 2:51 am
As someone who's thinking of creating a genjutsu oriented character, I think I like the older system better.
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