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Posted: Thu Jan 09, 2014 7:19 am
Dion Necurat Question about mediator: would it be better for the mediator to be crew or non-crew? I know people have said Shadow would be good for the spot. I would say non-crew, because if an argument involved a crew, the crew has the advantage of having an extra channel to communicate with the mediator, which is the crew subforum.
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Posted: Thu Jan 09, 2014 8:05 am
[M]a.r.t.s Dion Necurat Question about mediator: would it be better for the mediator to be crew or non-crew? I know people have said Shadow would be good for the spot. I would say non-crew, because if an argument involved a crew, the crew has the advantage of having an extra channel to communicate with the mediator, which is the crew subforum. To be fair, though, everyone has an opportunity to contact the mediator through a different channel. How about this; instead of having one mediator that handles every single issue that comes through, the mediator can be chosen by both parties. So here's the breakdown: Guy A (Frank) Guy B (Bruce) Mediator (appointed by both parties) Crew Member (to enforce the appropriate action)
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Posted: Thu Jan 09, 2014 8:07 am
All things considered, I'm going for the Taco Bell.
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Posted: Thu Jan 09, 2014 8:45 am
You know.....we seriously could just get along.
This is gonna get me heat because I am a crew member...but why should this be treated any diferent than anyone else's property? Chrono can run EWA his way and have who he wants in it. Shanahan, he can do the same with BBW. We listened to the general consensus. Bullshit needs to stop....who are all of you to question how we atop It if we dare not question others who run their property? I dont question Chrono's Skype Chat. I dont question Shanahan's Guild. I question nothing because its not my right to do so. If I dont like the way things are being ran, I leave the guild. If I am content with it like I should be, I go about my daily business. This guild should be no different. We run it the way we do because when MQ aint around, it's Snypa's guild. Its ours. To be quite frank, I dont think this guild needs changing. Whats needs changing Is attitudes and people themselves. We all can see what doesnt mesh. Chrono and Angel, for one. Many others just dont mesh. If Chrono and Angel just do not interact PERIOD. If neither one of them mentioned each other in public PERIOD. No one needs to be excommunicated. No one need be burried, or banned. Sure, Chrono's attitude is one where he needs to be the smart one. He needs to get either the most hurtful, witty, or truthful so we can all continue to know that regardless of the situation, Chrono will have a better answer than us all. Angel? He will continue to look for anyway to get under Chrono's skin. He may become a very polite and fun community member, but even than, if he was offered dirt on Chrono, he would take it in a heartbeat. This isnt good, but for some reason, Chrono brings this out in people. He brings out their hateful side. He makes their blood boil. He did to me. He did it to Angel. He's done it to Draze, He's done it to KM. This makes you wonder....why dorsnt everyone get treated like this? At one point or another, we have all been on the opposite side of Chrono.
I am going to make a comment here that is insane.
Chrono does this with the best of intentions, and its to try and help the community.
He attempts to weed out people that will take this too seriously and ruin It. We all accuse him of taking it too seriously, but I no longer believe this ia the case.
I am now going to make another insane comment.
This place would be better without Chrono.
I know it seems really ridiculous that my whole poat is centralized around Chrono. Some can say I am being obsessive or trying to start trouble. Thats the furthest thing from my mind. Its just unfortunate that most drama comes from Chrono trying to better the community. Legendary Championship? Drama. An awesome guild like EWA that isnt open to everyone? Drama. Trying to weed out the...cancer? Drama.
Chrono, I will finally say...I thank you for all you have done...but please, just stop. This community doesnt need anymore of the cleansing. It could sure as hell keep using EWA, something about then guild make me wanna put out my best work and try to win matches. However, maybe things would be best if people stopped making EWA their only home. Maybe things would be better if you could face Fox in BBW too, or Major in F:G, or even half of your EWA womens roster competing somewhere aside from...you know...EWA.
Youve done your part, Father Time. G-Feds wont die if you stop acknowledging people who have no business acknowledging you in the first place. GFedding wont die if you dont make a snarky comment about someone.
A long time ago, we spoke and you told me you had been looking to groom people to take your place as kinda the next great booker or RPer, or even the next great leader. We thank you for your help...but ita time to stop...and let guys like Dion and Shanahan start a new era.
Again I cant begin to express how much I dont mean to offend or upset with this post. I guess essentially its merely my opinion. Please, no one fly off the handle. I would appreciate it if we were all grown up about things from this point on.
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Posted: Thu Jan 09, 2014 8:51 am
Dion Necurat [M]a.r.t.s Dion Necurat Question about mediator: would it be better for the mediator to be crew or non-crew? I know people have said Shadow would be good for the spot. I would say non-crew, because if an argument involved a crew, the crew has the advantage of having an extra channel to communicate with the mediator, which is the crew subforum. To be fair, though, everyone has an opportunity to contact the mediator through a different channel. How about this; instead of having one mediator that handles every single issue that comes through, the mediator can be chosen by both parties. So here's the breakdown: Guy A (Frank) Guy B (Bruce) Mediator (appointed by both parties) Crew Member (to enforce the appropriate action) It's all getting so complicated just to be able to get on with everyone!
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Posted: Thu Jan 09, 2014 9:32 am
Cartwright Dion Necurat [M]a.r.t.s Dion Necurat Question about mediator: would it be better for the mediator to be crew or non-crew? I know people have said Shadow would be good for the spot. I would say non-crew, because if an argument involved a crew, the crew has the advantage of having an extra channel to communicate with the mediator, which is the crew subforum. To be fair, though, everyone has an opportunity to contact the mediator through a different channel. How about this; instead of having one mediator that handles every single issue that comes through, the mediator can be chosen by both parties. So here's the breakdown: Guy A (Frank) Guy B (Bruce) Mediator (appointed by both parties) Crew Member (to enforce the appropriate action) It's all getting so complicated just to be able to get on with everyone! It would be easier to simply give a temporary ban to the guild for both members; that way they won't keep kicking dust up, but I'd rather avoid doing that. Not to mention, despite the feeling, the amount of bullshit is relatively low, with few people really taking issue with other people.
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Posted: Thu Jan 09, 2014 9:39 am
Hiro, I feel like your post has good intentions, but you're trying to push Chrono out. So I'm gonna lay out some stuff from my opinion, take it as you will.
Chrono has done more for G:Feds than anyone has since 2010. Probably further back then that. He will continue to innovate and better the community in his own way, that's not gonna change. He's got just as much passion about the community as anyone else does.
I don't wanna bring up the past since it's a constant topic of discussion, but if you wanna point out the drama? It doesn't go to Chrono. He's in the thick of it, but he's not the cause. Angel is. Legendary Championship? Chrono told Angel that if he stop with the blatant attacks and attempts to get under his skin, he would let Angel into the guild and compete in the tournament. In return, Angel continued to rip away at Chrono. So he banned him from competing in the guild and for the title, despite whatever claim he might have. Trying to weed out the 'cancer'? Chrono doesn't acknowledge him until he gets to the point that ignoring him is hard.
Who else is banned from EWA? Who else can't compete for the title? No one. Even -you- were allowed to be in it, does that not speak for Chrono's ability to move on? Angel isn't a special case. He just wants to be.
The drama doesn't come from Chrono, he just set up scenarios where the drama decided to flock to it. Am I saying push Angel out? No. Getting anyone to leave wouldn't make this place better. Even losing Draze didn't make this place better, and his past with us hasn't been the best.
I used to think like you. In 2009, I was an advocate for getting rid of Chrono. Then, it wasn't insane. The community was literally split between pushing him out or wanting him to stay. If he left, this community would be dead. Could he stop with the snarky remarks that are, occasionally, obviously made to get a rise out of people? Sure. But I think up until a couple of days ago, he was doing that rather well.
Nowadays? Sure, we could survive. Maybe. And there will be those that go "OH WE CAN MAKE IT WITHOUT CHRONO." Well, say that a year from now. He books WWF:G consistently, he runs the biggest guild in the community. He takes the bullshit when people dish it out at him and it doesn't affect his psyche. Can you say that? Can I?
As for EWA, it's not the only guild anymore. Sure, we went through a rough period where basically only EWA has thrived. WWF:G survives, but has dwindled. WWE:E is on life support. But there's another home for 'exclusives' now. BBW. I'm not plugging my own guild because I own it, but because it's true. I have not seen a guild be as successful as it as since EWA. Is that going to last? I dunno. But I'm riding this ship 'til we hit the iceberg. I book anyone and everyone. Even the guy that constantly attacks and belittles one of my best friends in the community.
tl;dr 1. Chrono's not the cause of drama. 2. The community wouldn't be better without him, just if he stopped making the snarky remarks meant to offend. At the same time, that's who he is. Don't try to suppress who he is. 3. EWA isn't the only guild anymore. 4. Let's all just be adults. No one's going anywhere until they want to.
Also, I'm gonna say this. We've seen a nice spike in returning faces the past week. Mystique, Miro, Jamie Bader, Three, Ryuu, and various others; especially in BBW. Now, as the owner of that guild, I would -really-, and I mean -really-, like it if everyone could quell the bullshit for about five seconds, think through what you wanna post and how it might offend whoever you're targeting it at, and just really start using our heads instead of just our fingers. Because I don't wanna see those people go. I'm glad they're back. If you wanna start some Wrestling Court to deal with people, fine. If you wanna make a subforum where people can yell at eachother, whatever I don't give a ********. But if a single person leaves because you people can't keep shitty remarks to themselves? You're harming the community more than you sought to help it.
tl;dr #2 1. If you got beef, stop making it public.
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Posted: Thu Jan 09, 2014 9:52 am
One last thing. I'm gonna make this a bit personal for me.
I've lost a lot of friends in this community. Whether it's because of drama, politics, real life, or just loss of drive, I've lost a lot. Not more than anymore, but enough to impact me. I know I rant and rave over ICW, but I do it for a reason. I made some of the best friends I've ever had on Gaia in that guild. DJ, Virgil, Just McCormick, and a girl that had my heart for awhile, I won't say her name. You wouldn't remember her anyways. But I had -fun- with those people. I loved those people. We didn't do s**t because we thought it would blow the community away, we did it because we enjoyed it. Drama and real life tore of us all apart. In fact, I only know of Virgil and the girl nowadays, and I don't talk to them nearly as much as I would like to. But they were my friends, and they always will be.
On a more real level to the rest of you, we all lost people over the years. Most of them don't come back. But when I see even one that does? I get really ******** giddy. Ask Chrono, ask King even. I get pumped. Rosario, Bader, hell even if Angel disappeared for two years and resurfaced, I'd usher his annoying a** into BBW. Do I dislike him? Yeah. Do I wish he'd learn to shut the ******** up? Definitely. But you know what? We're a community. If one of us leaves, it shouldn't be by force or but exclusion, it should be because they want to. And even then, it's a loss. It's one less person to book. It's another storyline that can't be done.
Until recently, I pulled myself from the community and went to WoW. I returned over the years to scratch the itch I had, but it never was fulfilling. I still saw everything in negative, and nothing was fun. Even after facing Chrono and King this year, I lost interest. It wasn't until Marxx, one of my oldest friends around here, told me he wanted to open a guild with me that I got some renewed vigor for this place. Honestly, it's probably all the work he did on the title belts that got me into it. Real life overtook him, and I've sailed BBW solo until the past week, where I can finally get some input from him again. And you know what? I get on every ********' day to check on BBW, because I love it there. I love that I got an all inclusive roster. I love that people, new and old, want to have fun on the grounds we built. I love booking so many names under one card. I love the people that returned just to be part of it.
Don't take that away from me because some of you can't keep civil with your opinions. Don't take that away from the community. I'm done here, chances are I won't reply anymore. If I do, it's because s**t went in a real positive direction. But I'm done with the negativity. I'm running my guild, I've got the Social guild where people can roam freely as well. I have a positive outlook on this community once again. I won't have it ruined. I won't lose more friends.
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Posted: Thu Jan 09, 2014 10:03 am
I just....see no point anymore. No one really wants to see this get better...not even me. I will be in the same ship as you, Shanahan. I will stay here until It ends...but the only way to change things here is to FORCE people to change. Though no one wouls let us get away with that. No one would even let us try.
This place is sickening. It pains me to show up anymore. Everything I try to do....I do it and all I get called is a trouble maker or a creep.
I am done. I will continue to be booked, to try my hardest with stories and RPs...because that all I am here for. Not this community, but the RPing. I have made my friends and acquaintances. This place isnexpecting me to treat it with more energy thay I have to give.
Im sorry, but consider my hope in things getting better better given up.
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Posted: Thu Jan 09, 2014 10:05 am
Insane comment, indeed. I think everyone does it with the right intentions, it's just that what's good for some may be bad for others. We all have a different point of view of how things should be done, that's why there's been so many G-Feds in the past after all. And I don't think a member leaving would solve any problem. One member's departure will be another member's departure, nothing more, nothing less. Plus, if it's not a beef with Chrono, it will be with someone else. We all know how many people here just love to jump on the conclusion and go on a rant. I include myself in that for doing it more times than I should have in the past. I had arguing sessions with Chrono, Draze, Snypa, Jeckal, but all of this doesn't matter to any of us anymore, it's just part of the past, we solved our differences and we moved on. Thank goodness we were mature enough to solve our differences before it takes enormous proportions, and I'm proud to say I'm getting along with them today, or we can stand each other at the very least. I guess what I'm trying to say is there will be some arguing and we can't prevent it. It will get out of hand and there's nothing we can do about it. And it will involve more than just "the usual suspects", so to speak. And it's normal, nobody's prefect. But I see your point: calling out those who take it too seriously is also taking it too seriously in some cases. My rule when someone acts dumb is normally to let him speak until everyone realizes what kind of idiot it is, or at least until I can see a logic in what he says or do and, from there, try and redirect him if it's needed or possible. But that's my way of doing things, other people have their own way and it can work just as fine. Every roads lead to Rome after all.
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Posted: Thu Jan 09, 2014 10:30 am
If I could just say one thing.
There really isn't that much bullshit around. If people simply ignore it, then the problems go away easily. So if its none of your concern, don't make it your concern. Really, its not that complicated.
No one person is at fault; we all share equal blame.
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Posted: Thu Jan 09, 2014 11:13 am
Punkology All things considered, I'm going for the Taco Bell. Dr. Shelby would be more successful if he took his classes out for Taco Bell.
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Posted: Thu Jan 09, 2014 11:31 am
Damijin Spade Punkology All things considered, I'm going for the Taco Bell. Dr. Shelby would be more successful if he took his classes out for Taco Bell. Dr. Shelby is always successful! He's a miracle worker!
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Posted: Thu Jan 09, 2014 11:33 am
i was trying not to weigh in on this. But i will.
Chrono leaving is not the answer. Now this may seem strange considering he just took several shots at me over the past few days. A few months ago, I'd have blown up the same way I did in FG following his promo. Here's the thing though. Chrono and I butt heads. It happens because we've been around what some could say is way too long, we're both dominant male figures with our own opinions and I, at least, have a hell of a temper when provoked. However, him leaving does not solve the problem, and I say this despite being thoroughly irritated with him at this moment in time.
What needs to change is our attitudes and responses. Sure, I could rant and rave about the shots fired, but does it help me? Does it hurt him? Does it help the community? no, it does not. Therefore the answer is to ignore it.
If you have beef with Chrono, take it up with him privately. Same as with anyone else. When your beef gets thrown out here in social or in skype, it causes problems. Because skype beef always, ALWAYS, makes it here because this is the common ground we all have. That is what needs to stop. You got beef, settle it privately. I will admit freely i have not always done this. I have repeatedly gone head to head with certain people on gaia where everyone can see because i cannot stand them.
I will say that in my personal opinion, we don't need what this guild has become. What it originally was, sure, that would be great. But what it has become over the past several years, we don't need it.
I will say, it'd be great if veiled shots weren't fired publicly. I have an open door policy. You have a problem with me, then address it with me. Nine times out of ten, your problem is you being an outsider glancing in, not even fully looking, and having no concept of how I really run things.
No, EWA is not the only guild. We do have BBW, WWFG, and DHW is doing well. Matt didn't mention that simply because he's not in it (not my fault either). What made this community much better in the earlier days is the variety of guilds. Does that mean they all had totally unique concepts? Not necessarily. But when I started G-feds here we had a vastly larger community with plenty of guilds. Each guild varied in size, but no one declared them indy or mainstream. We ran our guilds like they were the number one company in the world, because in our minds they were. Did it matter that we had only 15 or twenty members vs the 60-100 in feds like what is now WWFG? No, it did not. It was about the rp. It was about the stories and enjoying yourself. This is not to say that it was perfect. It wasn't. But I enjoyed myself a hell of a lot more back then. Back then, it wasn't questioned if a crew member won titles or held a main event spot, so long as they weren't booking themselves and they had the activity and the ability to back it up. I never heard mentio of these supposed politics until EEW, and to a lesser extent XAW a guild i bought that died when some douchebag i made VC decided to steal it from me and i got the gaia mods involved.
My point, the banishing of one person will not help get things back on track. If we kick angel out, someone else will fill those shoes of being on the communities' bad side. If we kick chrono out, someone else may not be able to book like him, but they will find themselves at the heart of drama, intentionally or unintentionally.
I'm not going to give any grand ideas for improvement other than this: focus on the rp. That's what we're here for originally. It's amazing how things could really turn around if the effort put into taking pot shots and dissing people and beefing with people were put into our work in RP. My focus is on my storyline in BBW, the potential for storylines in EWA, and building DHW. My goal, unlike others, is not to match EWA. My goal is to run my guild in a way that is fair to all who join and are active and to welcome any who join to start storylines as they want to without too much interference from me except if things involve titles.
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Posted: Thu Jan 09, 2014 12:40 pm
Here's a thought for everyone here.
You know what you do to people who are fighting? Let them dish it out. We're on the internet, so we don't have to worry about people fist fighting. You know what you do in real life when something like this happens? You usually ignore it because it doesn't concern you.
You don't want bullshit? Don't throw yourself into it.
You don't want people to fight? Deal with it, it's going to happen.
You want to b***h and moan that we're all not just friends? Deal with it. People butt heads all the time.
Be adults with your mentalities. If you can't stand seeing it, the moment it pops up, ignore it. If two people fighting start dragging in members outside themselves: put them on the Court. Done.
If this were left up to me, the moment people started suggesting we ban single people, I would just hand a 3 day ban on all involved members. Why? Because if you're going to be in the bullshit, expect to get the same consequences. Make an active effort to stop it? Ok, you get a pass since you're being a part of the solution, not the problem.
Quit behaving like butthurt twats. That's what's blowing everything out of proportions. It's the goddamn internet. No one gives a s**t. Seriously. You're not the savior of a community. You're not a messiah, you're not anything of that sort. Quit acting like it. Just because this is the internet and we're not face to face does not give you an excuse to forgo social norms when dealing with arguments and going to extremes when someone does something you don't like.
Seriously guys, this is laughable.
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