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 Posted: Sat Jan 04, 2014 4:10 pm
Until about last year I had a, if you are a crew member, please try be a champion. Because someone might complain. Mostly because it's my guild and I'm closely associated with the P word. Even though I haven't done much of that since about 4 years now? I don't know. But I released a while ago that, if you're active, if you are good, and if you have fun, then go for it.
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Posted: Sun Jan 05, 2014 1:18 pm
Cartwright If it's been earned then it ain't hurting anyone, it's a reward to the holder for the work that they have been doing! Allow me to add a little thing to that comment: If it's been earned by the RP skills and not for his work as a crewmember, then it ain't hurting anyone, it's a reward to the holder for the work that they have been doing!
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Posted: Sun Jan 05, 2014 10:28 pm
[M]a.r.t.s Cartwright If it's been earned then it ain't hurting anyone, it's a reward to the holder for the work that they have been doing! Allow me to add a little thing to that comment: If it's been earned by the RP skills and not for his work as a crewmember, then it ain't hurting anyone, it's a reward to the holder for the work that they have been doing! This. I still don't see anything wrong with a captain holding a title under this pretense.
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Posted: Mon Jan 06, 2014 10:32 am
In CWL I ended up becoming champion due to a member becoming inactive and I dropped it immediately to Chrono, who is a crew member. The reason was because he was the only one working a storyline at the time, I was his first challenger as Omega and dropped the match and after that the feud and my guild had ended.
The point stands is if your crew is the only one's making an effort they are still just members and should be rewarded as such.
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Posted: Mon Jan 06, 2014 2:13 pm
Kid_Omega91 In CWL I ended up becoming champion due to a member becoming inactive and I dropped it immediately to Chrono, who is a crew member. The reason was because he was the only one working a storyline at the time, I was his first challenger as Omega and dropped the match and after that the feud and my guild had ended. The point stands is if your crew is the only one's making an effort they are still just members and should be rewarded as such. You dropped to Yuke , (but same thing) and it was a damn fine match
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Posted: Mon Jan 06, 2014 10:24 pm
I have never been a crew (at least not an extremely active one) but I agree with everyone. It should not be given because you are a crewmember, but because you put efforts in your roleplay, do good promos, be active and be involved in the guild's stories.
Also, you should not want to be crew to have an easier access to titles. Some people can be crewmembers and be good champion to the point where you just forget that they are one of the guild's officials. But some will try to go for that championship and try to hold on to it by using the rules in their favor.
That kind of behaviour would be associable to the idea of sealing a status of supremacy in a group, which is something that many people can try and claim for themselves on the internet because there are no social structures applied other than the common social boundaries to all cultures and societies, therefore creating a hybrid society where one person can have an easy access to the authority class because of that lack of structure.
BAM! Anthropologist'ed!
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Posted: Mon Jan 06, 2014 10:33 pm
o0 Mystique 0o I have never been a crew (at least not an extremely active one) but I agree with everyone. It should not be given because you are a crewmember, but because you put efforts in your roleplay, do good promos, be active and be involved in the guild's stories. Also, you should not want to be crew to have an easier access to titles. Some people can be crewmembers and be good champion to the point where you just forget that they are one of the guild's officials. But some will try to go for that championship and try to hold on to it by using the rules in their favor. That kind of behaviour would be associable to the idea of sealing a status of supremacy in a group, which is something that many people can try and claim for themselves on the internet because there are no social structures applied other than the common social boundaries to all cultures and societies, therefore creating a hybrid society where one person can have an easy access to the authority class because of that lack of structure. BAM! Anthropologist'ed! I think you make an interesting point when you talk about that idea that being a crew gives a freebie for a title. It may have been true at some point during the "politics era" aka the prequel to the bullshit era... I remember guys dealing title shots in a guild in order to join, because they knew their notoriety would bring a bunch of people in. Or at least they thought that's how it worked. Nowadays, the guild captains, at least the ones we have right now, can spot the hungry tiger. At least I hope they can!
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Posted: Mon Jan 06, 2014 10:50 pm
Coming off what Mystique said I think there's an unwritten rule where the guild captain shouldn't be the main world champion in his own guild, at least as the 'first' champion of it anyways.
When starting a new guild, your best bet is to build up an up and comer as the main champion, or a seasoned vet to help your product.
Putting the title on yourself as the first champion, in my 'personal' opinion would cause me to go 'Nope' and not bother.
Doesn't matter who the person running it is, could be someone respected like Landry or King, or someone not well known like Salem or something.
If you the captain are going to install yourself as the first champion
better be a real damn good reason why you're doing it.
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Posted: Mon Jan 06, 2014 10:54 pm
Yukari Clepsydra Coming off what Mystique said I think there's an unwritten rule where the guild captain shouldn't be the main world champion in his own guild, at least as the 'first' champion of it anyways. That rule is better known as "common sense". I mean, what kind of message do you send if the first thing you do is put the World title around your waist?? You're basically just telling everyone the reason why you created that guild was to add a World title to your resume. Might not be the reason, but it's hard to think otherwise when the first contact with that guild is tarnished with that...
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Posted: Tue Jan 07, 2014 8:17 am
[M]a.r.t.s Yukari Clepsydra Coming off what Mystique said I think there's an unwritten rule where the guild captain shouldn't be the main world champion in his own guild, at least as the 'first' champion of it anyways. That rule is better known as "common sense". I mean, what kind of message do you send if the first thing you do is put the World title around your waist?? You're basically just telling everyone the reason why you created that guild was to add a World title to your resume. Might not be the reason, but it's hard to think otherwise when the first contact with that guild is tarnished with that... it should be noted again that this is a more recent feeling. When EEW started, for example, Cartwright and CwP were captains and decided the world title between them, with Cartwright winning and immediately losing it to me at the first PPV. Technically, that did give EEW it's first big storyline. In retrospect, however, it probably would have been wiser for someone else to be first champ. Now it would definitely send the message you stated though. I just allowed myself to compete in my guild, only because when Schevia asks you for a storyline, you pretty much do it and it's not interfering with any titles or champions. As a captain, I feel I should be able to engage in storylines occasionally in the guild, so long as I'm nowhere near my title picture
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Posted: Tue Jan 07, 2014 8:28 am
Jarel Damone I just allowed myself to compete in my guild, only because when Schevia asks you for a storyline, you pretty much do it This is how you know when you've arrived.
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Posted: Tue Jan 07, 2014 2:31 pm
[M]a.r.t.s Cartwright If it's been earned then it ain't hurting anyone, it's a reward to the holder for the work that they have been doing! Allow me to add a little thing to that comment: If it's been earned by the RP skills and not for his work as a crewmember, then it ain't hurting anyone, it's a reward to the holder for the work that they have been doing! Yeah that's better worded! xd Quote: it should be noted again that this is a more recent feeling. When EEW started, for example, Cartwright and CwP were captains and decided the world title between them, with Cartwright winning and immediately losing it to me at the first PPV. Technically, that did give EEW it's first big storyline. In retrospect, however, it probably would have been wiser for someone else to be first champ. If I remember right (going back donkey years now, recent feeling being what, 2006?! xd ) CwP rushed ahead with that 'cause he thought it was super important for a fed to have a World Champion! 'Cause Tornaments are overrated yo! blaugh Probably better off I got it so I could drop it ASAP as CwP probably did his first vanishing act after the match! sweatdrop There's a lesson for you kids, if you're gonna be a booker, don't share it! You Vince McMahon that role!
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Posted: Tue Jan 07, 2014 5:03 pm
Jarel Damone [M]a.r.t.s Yukari Clepsydra Coming off what Mystique said I think there's an unwritten rule where the guild captain shouldn't be the main world champion in his own guild, at least as the 'first' champion of it anyways. That rule is better known as "common sense". I mean, what kind of message do you send if the first thing you do is put the World title around your waist?? You're basically just telling everyone the reason why you created that guild was to add a World title to your resume. Might not be the reason, but it's hard to think otherwise when the first contact with that guild is tarnished with that... it should be noted again that this is a more recent feeling. When EEW started, for example, Cartwright and CwP were captains and decided the world title between them, with Cartwright winning and immediately losing it to me at the first PPV. Technically, that did give EEW it's first big storyline. In retrospect, however, it probably would have been wiser for someone else to be first champ. I can only recognize the importance of a world champ in a guild. In some way, the first champ defines your identity and is your "publicity stunt", both kayfabe and among us. In the EEW case, it seemed more like a McMahon thingy where if the power gets the title, it drops it immediately afterwards. It's more of a storyline stunt, a little shocker to bring the attention, which at that moment didn't hurt anyone.
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Posted: Tue Jan 07, 2014 5:40 pm
[M]a.r.t.s Jarel Damone [M]a.r.t.s Yukari Clepsydra Coming off what Mystique said I think there's an unwritten rule where the guild captain shouldn't be the main world champion in his own guild, at least as the 'first' champion of it anyways. That rule is better known as "common sense". I mean, what kind of message do you send if the first thing you do is put the World title around your waist?? You're basically just telling everyone the reason why you created that guild was to add a World title to your resume. Might not be the reason, but it's hard to think otherwise when the first contact with that guild is tarnished with that... it should be noted again that this is a more recent feeling. When EEW started, for example, Cartwright and CwP were captains and decided the world title between them, with Cartwright winning and immediately losing it to me at the first PPV. Technically, that did give EEW it's first big storyline. In retrospect, however, it probably would have been wiser for someone else to be first champ. I can only recognize the importance of a world champ in a guild. In some way, the first champ defines your identity and is your "publicity stunt", both kayfabe and among us. In the EEW case, it seemed more like a McMahon thingy where if the power gets the title, it drops it immediately afterwards. It's more of a storyline stunt, a little shocker to bring the attention, which at that moment didn't hurt anyone. true enough. it didn't hurt anything at that time. i think cartwright got more out of chasing the title than winning it, most of it was a** kickings and getting set on fire but it seems to have set the tone for his character with the spots he takes. and he now has a healthy fear of fire twisted
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Posted: Tue Jan 07, 2014 5:43 pm
Jarel Damone [M]a.r.t.s Jarel Damone [M]a.r.t.s Yukari Clepsydra Coming off what Mystique said I think there's an unwritten rule where the guild captain shouldn't be the main world champion in his own guild, at least as the 'first' champion of it anyways. That rule is better known as "common sense". I mean, what kind of message do you send if the first thing you do is put the World title around your waist?? You're basically just telling everyone the reason why you created that guild was to add a World title to your resume. Might not be the reason, but it's hard to think otherwise when the first contact with that guild is tarnished with that... it should be noted again that this is a more recent feeling. When EEW started, for example, Cartwright and CwP were captains and decided the world title between them, with Cartwright winning and immediately losing it to me at the first PPV. Technically, that did give EEW it's first big storyline. In retrospect, however, it probably would have been wiser for someone else to be first champ. I can only recognize the importance of a world champ in a guild. In some way, the first champ defines your identity and is your "publicity stunt", both kayfabe and among us. In the EEW case, it seemed more like a McMahon thingy where if the power gets the title, it drops it immediately afterwards. It's more of a storyline stunt, a little shocker to bring the attention, which at that moment didn't hurt anyone. true enough. it didn't hurt anything at that time. i think cartwright got more out of chasing the title than winning it, most of it was a** kickings and getting set on fire but it seems to have set the tone for his character with the spots he takes. and he now has a healthy fear of fire twisted Healthy fear?! crying *Runs away from lit candles*
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