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Posted: Sun Mar 27, 2005 7:22 am

kyrillandra

One thing that hasn't been mentioned in this discussion so far (that I've seen anyway) is that one of the secondary properties of the pill is to prevent a fertilized egg from implanting in the uterus. This does give the pill abortive qualities.

Just, ya know, FYI wink

Not fully true. It depends on the type of pill as well.

Posted: Mon Mar 28, 2005 11:55 am

toxic_lollipop

kyrillandra

One thing that hasn't been mentioned in this discussion so far (that I've seen anyway) is that one of the secondary properties of the pill is to prevent a fertilized egg from implanting in the uterus. This does give the pill abortive qualities.

Just, ya know, FYI wink

Not fully true. It depends on the type of pill as well.

You are right, I was generalizing about 'the pill'. There are a variety of different types and strengths and such. If anyone is interested, I'll dig up the info on the ones that DO prevent implanting in the uterus.

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Posted: Mon Mar 28, 2005 3:54 pm

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As far as contraception outside my religion goes, I'm fine with it. The only reason I wouldn't use contraception is because my religion teaches that it's wrong. As long as you have no religious or other reasons not to use contraception, and you want to avoid having a kid, I say go for it.

This may seem like a silly question but I thought of it because my Canadian History teacher is catholic but his wife isn't.

If you were to marry someone who wasn't catholic would it be against your religion for them to use contraception, if you weren't? Well I mean it's against your religion anyway, but would you feel morally wronged by it kinda thing?

I'm Catholic dating an agnostic right now. He's been absolutely wonderful about our religious differences. He even goes to Church with me so that I don't have to go alone. And he's very educated about the Catholic faith so I rarely have to justify anything for him.

Now that we've been together for over a year and a half, we've talked a few times about sex and having kids. We mutually intend to wait until after marriage before we have sex. That was easy. He understands that contraception is frowned upon in my faith...but even if it wasn't, for some reason I really don't care for it...it doesn't feel natural. Especially condoms. The man is literally hiding behind something...I don't think I'd like that. I'd rather just do natural family planning and abstain from sex while I'm most likely to get pregnant.

I think that's kind of healthy anyway. We've never had sex...we've never touched each other inappropriately and the clothes stay on. But we sure like to cuddle and kiss. As silly as this may sound, now and then we agree to spend a day together without kissing or doing much else besides hold hands...just to make sure that we are falling in love with each other and not with having a steady cuddle buddy. If we can last without the little things, it would probably make NFP a lot easier.

I have no problem with the pill for medical reasons though. A few years ago I almost went on it myself to help balance my hormones.

Posted: Mon Mar 28, 2005 5:26 pm

Cyanna

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As far as contraception outside my religion goes, I'm fine with it. The only reason I wouldn't use contraception is because my religion teaches that it's wrong. As long as you have no religious or other reasons not to use contraception, and you want to avoid having a kid, I say go for it.

This may seem like a silly question but I thought of it because my Canadian History teacher is catholic but his wife isn't.

If you were to marry someone who wasn't catholic would it be against your religion for them to use contraception, if you weren't? Well I mean it's against your religion anyway, but would you feel morally wronged by it kinda thing?

I'm Catholic dating an agnostic right now. He's been absolutely wonderful about our religious differences. He even goes to Church with me so that I don't have to go alone. And he's very educated about the Catholic faith so I rarely have to justify anything for him.

Now that we've been together for over a year and a half, we've talked a few times about sex and having kids. We mutually intend to wait until after marriage before we have sex. That was easy. He understands that contraception is frowned upon in my faith...but even if it wasn't, for some reason I really don't care for it...it doesn't feel natural. Especially condoms. The man is literally hiding behind something...I don't think I'd like that. I'd rather just do natural family planning and abstain from sex while I'm most likely to get pregnant.

I think that's kind of healthy anyway. We've never had sex...we've never touched each other inappropriately and the clothes stay on. But we sure like to cuddle and kiss. As silly as this may sound, now and then we agree to spend a day together without kissing or doing much else besides hold hands...just to make sure that we are falling in love with each other and not with having a steady cuddle buddy. If we can last without the little things, it would probably make NFP a lot easier.

I have no problem with the pill for medical reasons though. A few years ago I almost went on it myself to help balance my hormones.

I gotta say, I admire you for waiting until you are married. That in it's self shows a maturity and a sese of dignity about life that is sorely lacking these days.

FYI for those non-Catholics here, the as Cyanna said here, the Catholic Church has no problem with the pill when used for medical reasons. Endometriosis, hormone regulation, and debillitating mestrual cycles are all legitimate uses for the pill. It comes up occasionally in talking with pro-choicers, because they try to claim that we care MORE about a preborn's life than we do the mother's life and are a repressive religion in that regard. Just not true, we value ALL life! heart

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Posted: Sat Apr 02, 2005 3:56 am

(Quickly tossing this in)

I don't really think this has been discussed much .. but birth control isn't as effective as I think it was made to sound in the topic.

For example, even if a method of birth control is 99.9% effective (and can't tear, fall off, whatever) then roughly one in a thousand result in pregnancy. And I don't mean one in a thousand people, I mean one in a thousand intercourses. Considering how many people have sex and how often they do, 1/1000 gives a pretty high number.

This leads back to me thinking people should (a) use more than one method of birth control if possible ('cause 99.9% x 99.9% is a whole lot safer than 99.9% alone - one in a million would get pregnant, again considering that the rate was correct and that it didn't break/fall off, etc) and (b) not have sex at until they can deal with any possible consequinces.

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