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Posted: Fri Dec 16, 2011 11:48 am
Ah, Joan Jett. I had such a crush on her and then finding out there was some serious girl-lovin' going on in the Runaways made me really happy. *cough*
I think I've been blasted with more images of gay men than gay women, so even when it comes to stereotypes I suck completely. Which is really a shame when I think about it because, even though I don't agree with all the stereotypes and there's no need to generalise in that way, it reminds me that there's virtually little to no queer women shown in mainstream media. And even if there are, they're not played by women that identify as anything other than straight. Very sad.
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Posted: Fri Dec 16, 2011 4:24 pm
mihaela Ah, Joan Jett. I had such a crush on her and then finding out there was some serious girl-lovin' going on in the Runaways made me really happy. *cough*
I think I've been blasted with more images of gay men than gay women, so even when it comes to stereotypes I suck completely. Which is really a shame when I think about it because, even though I don't agree with all the stereotypes and there's no need to generalise in that way, it reminds me that there's virtually little to no queer women shown in mainstream media. And even if there are, they're not played by women that identify as anything other than straight. Very sad. I sort of tend to ignore gay women in sitcoms as far as even determining stereotypes, especially if they're just there for the point of being a lesbian, because a lesbian played by a straight women doesn't really tell me anything because they're usually uber feminine- like a straight woman.
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Posted: Fri Dec 16, 2011 4:28 pm
Eleiza0250 mihaela Ah, Joan Jett. I had such a crush on her and then finding out there was some serious girl-lovin' going on in the Runaways made me really happy. *cough*
I think I've been blasted with more images of gay men than gay women, so even when it comes to stereotypes I suck completely. Which is really a shame when I think about it because, even though I don't agree with all the stereotypes and there's no need to generalise in that way, it reminds me that there's virtually little to no queer women shown in mainstream media. And even if there are, they're not played by women that identify as anything other than straight. Very sad. I sort of tend to ignore gay women in sitcoms as far as even determining stereotypes, especially if they're just there for the point of being a lesbian, because a lesbian played by a straight women doesn't really tell me anything because they're usually uber feminine- like a straight woman. The problem is twofold for me: 1) it feels less authentic if the actress is pretty much interchangeable and can't bring her own experience into the character & 2) if queer women can't even get the queer women parts, then who the hell are they allowed to play? A sad state of affairs overall.
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Posted: Fri Dec 16, 2011 4:33 pm
mihaela Eleiza0250 mihaela Ah, Joan Jett. I had such a crush on her and then finding out there was some serious girl-lovin' going on in the Runaways made me really happy. *cough*
I think I've been blasted with more images of gay men than gay women, so even when it comes to stereotypes I suck completely. Which is really a shame when I think about it because, even though I don't agree with all the stereotypes and there's no need to generalise in that way, it reminds me that there's virtually little to no queer women shown in mainstream media. And even if there are, they're not played by women that identify as anything other than straight. Very sad. I sort of tend to ignore gay women in sitcoms as far as even determining stereotypes, especially if they're just there for the point of being a lesbian, because a lesbian played by a straight women doesn't really tell me anything because they're usually uber feminine- like a straight woman. The problem is twofold for me: 1) it feels less authentic if the actress is pretty much interchangeable and can't bring her own experience into the character & 2) if queer women can't even get the queer women parts, then who the hell are they allowed to play? A sad state of affairs overall. I think men feel less threatened by female homosexuality and that this may be one of the few cases where women are still treated less than men- as if women are thought to be so worthless that two women together doesn't mean anything, really.
Queer women not being able to play queer women is like white men having to act the black people and women's parts- it's not right and it's inauthentic as you said eloquently
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Posted: Fri Dec 16, 2011 4:39 pm
I've always felt that as much as straight men might feel threatened by gay men, gay women are even less down the social/existential ladder. You'd think there would be some bonding over our mutual love of breads and what's below the belt, but, sadly, not so much. I've bonded more in my life with gay men over going to the same gay parties than I have with straight men over liking girls.
I remember watching Queer as Folk US and how they cast mostly straight actors to play very gay characters. Then I was watching Hollyoaks a few weeks ago and discovered the bisexual guy is actually play by a full-on gay man in real life, which is as much progress as I can hope for. Maybe queer actresses will begin to appear from the woodwork in the near future... Please? Pretty please? With sugarplums on top?
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Posted: Fri Dec 16, 2011 4:45 pm
I know exactly what you mean. This has happened to me before. I'm very normal looking and kind of girly at times and I always get the "for real?" look from people. I hate it when they go: "oh no your not" just cause I like to wear skirts curl my hair and look nice. Why do I have to look butch or like a tom boy to be a lesbian?
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Posted: Fri Dec 16, 2011 5:11 pm
GAH, YES. I get this all the time. People are always really surprised when I tell them Im gay. Anyone else familiar with the comment, "What a shame. It's all going to waste!". That's what bothers me the most when people find out I'm gay. They (men) hit on me, then find out I'm gay, and all of a sudden, it's like an insult competition. I've been called an "ugly filthy dyke", "trailer trash, dirty ******** scrag who doesn't like 'c**k' but likes a strap-on in their maggot-infested v****a". I've also been TOLD that I'm only a lesbian because I hate men, and blame men for every bad thing.. I have mostly male friends. I'm just not sexually attracted to them. It's like as soon as I tell a guy I'm gay, and he starts telling me it's a waste, if I defend myself, I become subject to bullying. fgdsutfyagfhklsdfd.
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Posted: Fri Dec 16, 2011 5:12 pm
I get it from everybody who hasn't known me for long enough. Despite my cross-dressed avatar, I'm actually a redneck more than anything else (except maybe an anime kid) and the only people who ever knew I was gay before I told them, were people I've known for years, because they had awesome gay-dars and picked up subtle personality traits.
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Posted: Fri Dec 16, 2011 5:27 pm
mihaela I've always felt that as much as straight men might feel threatened by gay men, gay women are even less down the social/existential ladder. You'd think there would be some bonding over our mutual love of breads and what's below the belt, but, sadly, not so much. I've bonded more in my life with gay men over going to the same gay parties than I have with straight men over liking girls.
I remember watching Queer as Folk US and how they cast mostly straight actors to play very gay characters. Then I was watching Hollyoaks a few weeks ago and discovered the bisexual guy is actually play by a full-on gay man in real life, which is as much progress as I can hope for. Maybe queer actresses will begin to appear from the woodwork in the near future... Please? Pretty please? With sugarplums on top? It's like we're second class men. We're not even viewed as women.
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Posted: Fri Dec 16, 2011 5:40 pm
Eleiza0250 mihaela I've always felt that as much as straight men might feel threatened by gay men, gay women are even less down the social/existential ladder. You'd think there would be some bonding over our mutual love of breads and what's below the belt, but, sadly, not so much. I've bonded more in my life with gay men over going to the same gay parties than I have with straight men over liking girls.
I remember watching Queer as Folk US and how they cast mostly straight actors to play very gay characters. Then I was watching Hollyoaks a few weeks ago and discovered the bisexual guy is actually play by a full-on gay man in real life, which is as much progress as I can hope for. Maybe queer actresses will begin to appear from the woodwork in the near future... Please? Pretty please? With sugarplums on top? It's like we're second class men. We're not even viewed as women. Gayatri Spivak talks about the "subaltern" in postcolonial discourse, and how women are viewed as socio-politically inferior and how non-whites are viewed in the exact same way, and when you have non-white women you basically reach the lowest step on the hierarchy.
I believe this is equally applicable to queer women in gender and sexuality studies: not only women, but also non-straight. The horror!
Thinking about this at length, there's very few social categories that might fall lower in the disgusting world order we live in (i.e., transgender individuals seem to puzzle even more and have zero visibility, yet women have the audacity to actually constitute 51% of the world population, so perhaps we offend even more). Such a lovely world we live in!...
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