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PostPosted: Sun Oct 30, 2011 12:54 pm


Armelle of the Forest
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Just to place in my input...I always thought that Hawaii would be a reasonable state to have a personification. Not only does it have a vastly different culture than that of the United States, but it used to be its own country before annexation.


I'm always pretty much believing that Hawaii definitely had a personification for years since it was it's own country as you stated, and it likely still has one now. I don't know if a younger Hawaii took it's place or not though, or if they are still the same personification just under U.S. Jurisdiction.


I say that it's the same personification, because the US promoted the Hawaiian culture even when it was taken over. I say it's a woman.


Yeah, I'm in this camp about Hawaii myself. I think it would be the same personification through out. Which might actually make Hawaii older than America know next to nothing about Hawaii.


Hawaii would have to be older than America...I say either Veneziano's age or twenty two...
PostPosted: Sun Oct 30, 2011 1:37 pm


Armelle of the Forest
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Just to place in my input...I always thought that Hawaii would be a reasonable state to have a personification. Not only does it have a vastly different culture than that of the United States, but it used to be its own country before annexation.


I'm always pretty much believing that Hawaii definitely had a personification for years since it was it's own country as you stated, and it likely still has one now. I don't know if a younger Hawaii took it's place or not though, or if they are still the same personification just under U.S. Jurisdiction.


I say that it's the same personification, because the US promoted the Hawaiian culture even when it was taken over. I say it's a woman.


Yeah, I'm in this camp about Hawaii myself. I think it would be the same personification through out. Which might actually make Hawaii older than America know next to nothing about Hawaii.


Hawaii would likely have a personification that is known by other Nations since at least 1778, so it's likely that existed for a while prior to that.

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PostPosted: Sun Oct 30, 2011 2:40 pm


Ok, I guess that makes sense. Hawaii and Alaska are the states I haven't looked into at all except for the few incidents where they come up along the way through the mainland history. One day I'll go back and figure them out... The only thing I feel like is a must for Alaska is he/she needs to be a dog lover.
PostPosted: Tue Nov 01, 2011 1:03 pm


Ok, there is something I've semi-determined about South Carolina through out history. I think South Carolina is a little bit of a conspiracy theorist. It always seems there's this dynamic where South Carolina will be like "This is happening you guys!" and everyone else is like "Pfft. You're crazy. That would never happen." Then something WILL happen that (whether SC is right or not) will make everyone else think it is right and freak out.

Has anyone else seen this pattern or am I insane?

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 02, 2011 6:55 pm


Armelle of the Forest
Ok, there is something I've semi-determined about South Carolina through out history. I think South Carolina is a little bit of a conspiracy theorist. It always seems there's this dynamic where South Carolina will be like "This is happening you guys!" and everyone else is like "Pfft. You're crazy. That would never happen." Then something WILL happen that (whether SC is right or not) will make everyone else think it is right and freak out.

Has anyone else seen this pattern or am I insane?


I can semi-see that actually, I always took South Carolina being the stereotypical SCREW THINKING I'M GOING WITH WHAT I THINK IS THE RIGHT THING and kind of makes themselves look like an absolute idiot in the process. This isn't saying they aren't capable of kindness or anything, but I do think they have a whole hilarious forget about thinking, I'm jumping right into the situation deal with them.

On another small complaint, I'm always really unsure when it comes to state-tans being literal kids of countries, especially since countries themselves in the Hetalia canon tend to come out of the blue like in a way they are BORN FROM THE LAND like a concept or something. These are just my thoughts, but I always assumed the relations they had with others were partially symbolic or something along those lines.
PostPosted: Wed Nov 02, 2011 7:12 pm


Kitty Chicken
Armelle of the Forest
Ok, there is something I've semi-determined about South Carolina through out history. I think South Carolina is a little bit of a conspiracy theorist. It always seems there's this dynamic where South Carolina will be like "This is happening you guys!" and everyone else is like "Pfft. You're crazy. That would never happen." Then something WILL happen that (whether SC is right or not) will make everyone else think it is right and freak out.

Has anyone else seen this pattern or am I insane?


I can semi-see that actually, I always took South Carolina being the stereotypical SCREW THINKING I'M GOING WITH WHAT I THINK IS THE RIGHT THING and kind of makes themselves look like an absolute idiot in the process. This isn't saying they aren't capable of kindness or anything, but I do think they have a whole hilarious forget about thinking, I'm jumping right into the situation deal with them.


The terrifying thing about South Carolina, from what I've researched, is that the state usually is thinking (perhaps more than most of the others). I always kind of blew off a lot of things about SC until I looked into the raw data/economics and realized SC is more often than not correct about the strict legality/bottom line of issues. The problem tends to generally come more from the morality and SC's tendency to blow things out of proportion. It's really amazing. It's kind of the state where all its neighbors are like "We agree, but you're over reacting! It's not that big of a deal... o_O"

Kitty Chicken
On another small complaint, I'm always really unsure when it comes to state-tans being literal kids of countries, especially since countries themselves in the Hetalia canon tend to come out of the blue like in a way they are BORN FROM THE LAND like a concept or something. These are just my thoughts, but I always assumed the relations they had with others were partially symbolic or something along those lines.


The way I take it is those born from immigrants would probably say something like that's my "Mother Country" but I kind of interpret it more of a play on words than the nation being their literal parent. One of my favorite things to laugh at is that technically Ohio, Tennessee and Kentucky are the first states born from Americans and not from immigrants or transplanted Canadians. So I can imagine them as little kids getting it in their heads to run around calling America "mama" and driving him crazy.

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 02, 2011 7:30 pm


Armelle of the Forest
The terrifying thing about South Carolina, from what I've researched, is that the state usually is thinking (perhaps more than most of the others). I always kind of blew off a lot of things about SC until I looked into the raw data/economics and realized SC is more often than not correct about the strict legality/bottom line of issues. The problem tends to generally come more from the morality and SC's tendency to blow things out of proportion. It's really amazing. It's kind of the state where all its neighbors are like "We agree, but you're over reacting! It's not that big of a deal... o_O"


I think personally it's actually has thought into it, it's just -- the thoughts might not be rational and more emotional in a way, or there are simply different standards it abides by. I also think it's extremely rebellious as well, almost to a fault where most people think it's stupid as all hell or even might look down at it in a bit of pity. (I know a few of my friends from North Carolina feel that way about South Carolina, haha.)

Armelle of the Forest
Kitty Chicken
On another small complaint, I'm always really unsure when it comes to state-tans being literal kids of countries, especially since countries themselves in the Hetalia canon tend to come out of the blue like in a way they are BORN FROM THE LAND like a concept or something. These are just my thoughts, but I always assumed the relations they had with others were partially symbolic or something along those lines.


The way I take it is those born from immigrants would probably say something like that's my "Mother Country" but I kind of interpret it more of a play on words than the nation being their literal parent. One of my favorite things to laugh at is that technically Ohio, Tennessee and Kentucky are the first states born from Americans and not from immigrants or transplanted Canadians. So I can imagine them as little kids getting it in their heads to run around calling America "mama" and driving him crazy.


I see it along the lines of maybe born from immigrants or even fur trades depending on circumstances if the fur traders so chose to stay there to chill or put their influence in some shape or form. As I stated before though, I always assumed statehood was a coming of age ceremony, so some states could have possibly been children for at least a hundred years before they 'grew' into being a proper state. And even then, they probably grew a bit afterward as well.
PostPosted: Wed Nov 02, 2011 7:39 pm


Kitty Chicken
I think personally it's actually has thought into it, it's just -- the thoughts might not be rational and more emotional in a way, or there are simply different standards it abides by. I also think it's extremely rebellious as well, almost to a fault where most people think it's stupid as all hell or even might look down at it in a bit of pity. (I know a few of my friends from North Carolina feel that way about South Carolina, haha.)


That's probably the most accurate way to look at South Carolina. Probably the best description I've ever heard regarding South Carolina is that it's a state stuck somewhere between "freedom and insanity." I guess the nice way to put it is to just say South Carolina is eccentric?

Kitty Chicken
I see it along the lines of maybe born from immigrants or even fur trades depending on circumstances if the fur traders so chose to stay there to chill or put their influence in some shape or form. As I stated before though, I always assumed statehood was a coming of age ceremony, so some states could have possibly been children for at least a hundred years before they 'grew' into being a proper state. And even then, they probably grew a bit afterward as well.


Gah! Fur traders!! That always drives me crazy because I'm like "Well, these guys were around at this time and had posts... but permanent settlement didn't start until here... Where do I draw the line?" I think I said this before, but I more often than not consider a state's actual "birth" to be around the time it's permanently settled by the culture that eventually springs into the state. <--Alabama being the most difficult to place. I believe Mobile, Alabama is actually its oldest permanent settlement, but at the time it was founded I think (can't remember for sure right now) it was Louisiana's capital so... I feel like it couldn't have been born from there at the same time Louisiana's culture was centered around it.

Armelle of the Forest

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Kitty Chicken

PostPosted: Wed Nov 02, 2011 7:48 pm


Armelle of the Forest
Kitty Chicken
I think personally it's actually has thought into it, it's just -- the thoughts might not be rational and more emotional in a way, or there are simply different standards it abides by. I also think it's extremely rebellious as well, almost to a fault where most people think it's stupid as all hell or even might look down at it in a bit of pity. (I know a few of my friends from North Carolina feel that way about South Carolina, haha.)


That's probably the most accurate way to look at South Carolina. Probably the best description I've ever heard regarding South Carolina is that it's a state stuck somewhere between "freedom and insanity." I guess the nice way to put it is to just say South Carolina is eccentric?


Oh very eccentric, there is always one state in the area of the bunch that I notice is the 'weird' one of say the New England, the Mid-Atlantic, Midwest, and so on. South Carolina definitely is the eccentric one I think of the southern states - except for say Florida but Florida is kind of a hilarious thing on it's own and many joke saying "that's not southern" in a sort of "not completely anyway".

Armelle of the Forest
Kitty Chicken
I see it along the lines of maybe born from immigrants or even fur trades depending on circumstances if the fur traders so chose to stay there to chill or put their influence in some shape or form. As I stated before though, I always assumed statehood was a coming of age ceremony, so some states could have possibly been children for at least a hundred years before they 'grew' into being a proper state. And even then, they probably grew a bit afterward as well.


Gah! Fur traders!! That always drives me crazy because I'm like "Well, these guys were around at this time and had posts... but permanent settlement didn't start until here... Where do I draw the line?" I think I said this before, but I more often than not consider a state's actual "birth" to be around the time it's permanently settled by the culture that eventually springs into the state. <--Alabama being the most difficult to place. I believe Mobile, Alabama is actually its oldest permanent settlement, but at the time it was founded I think (can't remember for sure right now) it was Louisiana's capital so... I feel like it couldn't have been born from there at the same time Louisiana's culture was centered around it.


My reasoning for probably Michigan and Wisconsin being a bit 'old' in the fur-trading area in the 1600s, is because a lot of people consistently stayed there even if the population was super small and often times they intermingled with the tribes. It was a case of when the British arrived when they won the French and Indian War it was a case of "... wait there is a whole entire culture here." I know even the British were sort of "All right, whatever you guys can stay here." and it remained like that consistently until the War of 1812. And since waterways were pretty much the highways in those days, Wisconsin and Michigan probably logically were chilling since before the 1700s -- but nothing earlier than 1620 in my opinion and probably stayed semi-tiny five year old kids or something until the 1800s. You can even see it in the city names of Wisconsin and Michigan that there is a ton of French influence. (Detroit is a big one for Michigan.) Minnesota meanwhile, probably isn't nearly as old because nobody really knew there was anything beyond that for ages therefore saw really no reason to stay there.
PostPosted: Wed Nov 02, 2011 8:05 pm


Kitty Chicken
South Carolina definitely is the eccentric one I think of the southern states - except for say Florida but Florida is kind of a hilarious thing on it's own and many joke saying "that's not southern" in a sort of "not completely anyway".


Ah, Florida. I always feel kind of bad for Florida... There are so many times where people treat Florida like crap. Like when America was negotiating with Spain about buying Florida, there's a quote from a politician where he essentially says "One foot of Texas is worth more than all of Florida!" (Spain and America were arguing over the Texas-Louisiana border at the time) When Jackson lead Tennessee and Georgia to conquer Florida, his report kind of said "Florida was so pathetic that leaving it alone would have just been an annoyance later."

Kitty Chicken
My reasoning for probably Michigan and Wisconsin being a bit 'old' in the fur-trading area in the 1600s, is because a lot of people consistently stayed there even if the population was super small and often times they intermingled with the tribes. It was a case of when the British arrived when they won the French and Indian War it was a case of "... wait there is a whole entire culture here." I know even the British were sort of "All right, whatever you guys can stay here." and it remained like that consistently until the War of 1812. And since waterways were pretty much the highways in those days, Wisconsin and Michigan probably logically were chilling since before the 1700s -- but nothing earlier than 1620 in my opinion and probably stayed semi-tiny five year old kids or something until the 1800s. You can even see it in the city names of Wisconsin and Michigan that there is a ton of French influence. (Detroit is a big one for Michigan.)


I know Michigan (well, Fort Detroit more specifically) played a pretty active role in a few colonial wars and did some fighting during the American Revolution. I'm not sure if Wisconsin got tangled up in those or not... I've never actually read anything about Wisconsin's militias making themselves known until the Civil War broke out. (In which Wisconsin was a total beast. The Iron Brigade was nothing short of bad a** and Wisconsin's performance in the Western Theater was impressive, too.)

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 02, 2011 8:17 pm


Armelle of the Forest
Kitty Chicken
South Carolina definitely is the eccentric one I think of the southern states - except for say Florida but Florida is kind of a hilarious thing on it's own and many joke saying "that's not southern" in a sort of "not completely anyway".


Ah, Florida. I always feel kind of bad for Florida... There are so many times where people treat Florida like crap. Like when America was negotiating with Spain about buying Florida, there's a quote from a politician where he essentially says "One foot of Texas is worth more than all of Florida!" (Spain and America were arguing over the Texas-Louisiana border at the time) When Jackson lead Tennessee and Georgia to conquer Florida, his report kind of said "Florida was so pathetic that leaving it alone would have just been an annoyance later."


Florida is kind of sad in that sense, it was sort of -- deemed none of the above. I am actually pretty fascinated with it's history, particularly with ranching and so on. The culture is really fascinating compared to metropolitan suburbia Florida and the Florida that was there before they arrived.

Armelle of the Forest
Kitty Chicken
My reasoning for probably Michigan and Wisconsin being a bit 'old' in the fur-trading area in the 1600s, is because a lot of people consistently stayed there even if the population was super small and often times they intermingled with the tribes. It was a case of when the British arrived when they won the French and Indian War it was a case of "... wait there is a whole entire culture here." I know even the British were sort of "All right, whatever you guys can stay here." and it remained like that consistently until the War of 1812. And since waterways were pretty much the highways in those days, Wisconsin and Michigan probably logically were chilling since before the 1700s -- but nothing earlier than 1620 in my opinion and probably stayed semi-tiny five year old kids or something until the 1800s. You can even see it in the city names of Wisconsin and Michigan that there is a ton of French influence. (Detroit is a big one for Michigan.)


I know Michigan (well, Fort Detroit more specifically) played a pretty active role in a few colonial wars and did some fighting during the American Revolution. I'm not sure if Wisconsin got tangled up in those or not... I've never actually read anything about Wisconsin's militias making themselves known until the Civil War broke out. (In which Wisconsin was a total beast. The Iron Brigade was nothing short of bad a** and Wisconsin's performance in the Western Theater was impressive, too.)


I know the 'Father' of Wisconsin, was in the Revolutionary War for the British, but the guy was kind of a mercenary and looked down 'society' as a whole, and saw the Americans or the British even coming near Wisconsin in his eyes ruining the place forever. He was a brilliant tactician, just on the wrong side in each war. (French and Indian War and Revolutionary War.)

Wisconsin and Michigan were both beasts, but Wisconsin was kind of almost nightmare fuel unleaded probably to many. ( That being said, Old Abe was absolutely cute even if the eagle as a girl. :') )
PostPosted: Wed Nov 02, 2011 8:21 pm


Kitty Chicken
I know the 'Father' of Wisconsin, was in the Revolutionary War for the British, but the guy was kind of a mercenary and looked down 'society' as a whole, and saw the Americans or the British even coming near Wisconsin in his eyes ruining the place forever. He was a brilliant tactician, just on the wrong side in each war. (French and Indian War and Revolutionary War.)


So... Wisconsin had an over protective daddy? XD

Kitty Chicken
Wisconsin and Michigan were both beasts, but Wisconsin was kind of almost nightmare fuel unleaded probably to many. ( That being said, Old Abe was absolutely cute even if the eagle as a girl. :') )


If I remember right, Wisconsin and Michigan also got paired up during WWI and WWII. I know the Division Wisconsin was a part of got the title of "Les Terribles" from the French because there wasn't a line they couldn't break...

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 02, 2011 8:35 pm


Armelle of the Forest
Kitty Chicken
I know the 'Father' of Wisconsin, was in the Revolutionary War for the British, but the guy was kind of a mercenary and looked down 'society' as a whole, and saw the Americans or the British even coming near Wisconsin in his eyes ruining the place forever. He was a brilliant tactician, just on the wrong side in each war. (French and Indian War and Revolutionary War.)


So... Wisconsin had an over protective daddy? XD


More or less, yeah -- the guy didn't want Wisconsin to be 'tainted' with the hypocrisies of civilization and in fact loathed Europe in general. It's hard to say if he really 'cared' for the place or not in retrospect, since he never really lived here but he came very often and Wisconsin for some strange reason clings to the image of him being the 'Father' of it anyway. He probably would actually be pretty mad that Wisconsin eventually became a state really.

Armelle of the Forest
Kitty Chicken
Wisconsin and Michigan were both beasts, but Wisconsin was kind of almost nightmare fuel unleaded probably to many. ( That being said, Old Abe was absolutely cute even if the eagle as a girl. :') )


If I remember right, Wisconsin and Michigan also got paired up during WWI and WWII. I know the Division Wisconsin was a part of got the title of "Les Terribles" from the French because there wasn't a line they couldn't break...


Oh yeah, if I remember -- I'm not sure but I read something along the lines after the Civil War? Wisconsin and Michigan are often the first ones sent out on principle. Because of this, they're often the first ones in and last ones out.
PostPosted: Wed Nov 02, 2011 8:41 pm


Kitty Chicken
Oh yeah, if I remember -- I'm not sure but I read something along the lines after the Civil War? Wisconsin and Michigan are often the first ones sent out on principle. Because of this, they're often the first ones in and last ones out.


It's hard to say for certain. I haven't done all my homework on their Division after WWI and, honestly, other than a few fun foot notes there isn't too much done by any of the militias for WWI since everyone was only out there in the last year of the war. I mean, we like to say exciting things like "___ broke the Hindenburg line!" but the Hindenburg line was broken in several places so it's only kind of a claim to fame... Kind of. I mean, awesome job for doing it to all those who did, but it wasn't like one Division or Army in particular was a shinning beacon of awesome. It was a joint effort. Quite a few of the American Divisions didn't even get deployed before WWI was over.

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 02, 2011 8:59 pm


Armelle of the Forest
Kitty Chicken
Oh yeah, if I remember -- I'm not sure but I read something along the lines after the Civil War? Wisconsin and Michigan are often the first ones sent out on principle. Because of this, they're often the first ones in and last ones out.


It's hard to say for certain. I haven't done all my homework on their Division after WWI and, honestly, other than a few fun foot notes there isn't too much done by any of the militias for WWI since everyone was only out there in the last year of the war. I mean, we like to say exciting things like "___ broke the Hindenburg line!" but the Hindenburg line was broken in several places so it's only kind of a claim to fame... Kind of. I mean, awesome job for doing it to all those who did, but it wasn't like one Division or Army in particular was a shinning beacon of awesome. It was a joint effort. Quite a few of the American Divisions didn't even get deployed before WWI was over.


Oh yeah, absolutely I think it was a joint effort by far and they probably wouldn't have been able to do it without others. Considering America just sort of ran in and gave the final push needed for the most part. I was reading a bit on World War I, World War II, and so on and I was reading something along the lines that Wisconsin and Michigan are often the first deployed. Something that happened from the Civil War and onward.

That being said, Wisconsin was kind of a huge mess in World War I, due to many not even wanting to go into war period since their attachments were with Germany, La Follette (Who Wisconsin puts on a pedestal to the point of holding a hell grudge towards other states for not voting for him as President.) and other factors.
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