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 Posted: Wed Jun 29, 2011 9:16 am
Ravynne Sidhe bearcatthorin Ravynne Sidhe bearcatthorin Ravynne Sidhe bearcatthorin As I am not Wiccan I don't know to much about what you referred to but as I understand Christianity I will say this, While all Christians do have Jesus as the core of their religions the various denominations have a lot of small differences that keep them apart. In a small town in Florida population of a few thousand there are 69 churches because they just can't agree on minor points. Even the denominations can't agree, there is a Baptist, Southern Baptist and an Independent Baptist church all within a few miles of each other, all because they can't agree on small points. But maybe it's just the nature of the beast, people seem to love to argue. Us vs. them, we're right they're wrong. And even the various traditions within British Traditional Wicca have their own minute differences, but they all follow a core that they believe Gardner set up. And yeah, fighting is just apart of human nature :s This is a question, Can they (Wiccans) get together despite those differences? Depends on how far their elitist stick is shoved up their a**. In all seriousness, it depends on the BTW themselves. I have met a few British Traditional Wiccans that are absolutely fine with solitaries. What we normally see on Gaia isn't the same for all the internet communities out there. There are some who are elitist, but that seems to be the extreme minority. Well that's good. Oh by the way, are rituals ever open to on BTW perhaps by invitation or not. Asatru rituals are often right out in the open and may be viewed by anyone, public parks and the like. It depends on the coven. Some covens do allow people to join their public rituals every sabbath, though some people consider that outer court material. What occurs within the coven though is very hush hush. Yeah I have heard that there are parts that are secret. The Asatru aren't secretive at all, they'll tell anybody anything... unless there are things they aren't telling me... "hmmmm" LOL
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Posted: Wed Jun 29, 2011 9:24 am
bearcatthorin Ravynne Sidhe bearcatthorin Ravynne Sidhe bearcatthorin This is a question, Can they (Wiccans) get together despite those differences? Depends on how far their elitist stick is shoved up their a**. In all seriousness, it depends on the BTW themselves. I have met a few British Traditional Wiccans that are absolutely fine with solitaries. What we normally see on Gaia isn't the same for all the internet communities out there. There are some who are elitist, but that seems to be the extreme minority. Well that's good. Oh by the way, are rituals ever open to on BTW perhaps by invitation or not. Asatru rituals are often right out in the open and may be viewed by anyone, public parks and the like. It depends on the coven. Some covens do allow people to join their public rituals every sabbath, though some people consider that outer court material. What occurs within the coven though is very hush hush. Yeah I have heard that there are parts that are secret. The Asatru aren't secretive at all, they'll tell anybody anything... unless there are things they aren't telling me... "hmmmm" LOL The passing days drew us closer
The pain is matched with joy.
Both hands reflect that
I cry when I think of you.
LOL! As explained in the FAQ, the hush hush aspect was borrowed from the different secret societies that Gardner himself was apart of. In case someone were to try and destroy the religion, or whatever the case was.
Yorisotta sugi shi hi wa
Itami wo yorokobi ai
Ryoute ni utsushi dasu
Anata wo omoi naite iru
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Posted: Wed Jun 29, 2011 9:40 am
Well the problem with trying to prevent the destruction of a religion (or any other group for that matter) is that if you strictly adhere to the exact tenants of the faith never changing you risk stagnation but if you let in to many outsiders you risk diluting the faith and losing it to radical new ideas and change, ie. they have new ideas, you don't like them, they split off and create their own sect.
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Posted: Wed Jun 29, 2011 10:10 am
bearcatthorin Well the problem with trying to prevent the destruction of a religion (or any other group for that matter) is that if you strictly adhere to the exact tenants of the faith never changing you risk stagnation but if you let in to many outsiders you risk diluting the faith and losing it to radical new ideas and change, ie. they have new ideas, you don't like them, they split off and create their own sect. The passing days drew us closer
The pain is matched with joy.
Both hands reflect that
I cry when I think of you.
And that's the issue with British Traditional Wicca. Granted Wicca is only 60 years old however it's doubtful that Gardner would want his religion to stay the same. Which is ultimately why the amount of Solitaries has probably grown. Not just with young practioners, but with people who were initiated into BTW and ultimately got sick of the stagnation and moved onto being solitary.
Yorisotta sugi shi hi wa
Itami wo yorokobi ai
Ryoute ni utsushi dasu
Anata wo omoi naite iru
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Posted: Wed Jun 29, 2011 10:16 am
Perhaps the different religions are right to cling to their small details. Not all of them, and not all the time. Sometimes, the small details make the biggest difference. For instance, a small piece of DNA could prove a man innocent or guilty of murder. This may be an overly serious example, but it could be a serious issue for people about their faith.
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Posted: Wed Jun 29, 2011 10:19 am
Ravynne Sidhe bearcatthorin Well the problem with trying to prevent the destruction of a religion (or any other group for that matter) is that if you strictly adhere to the exact tenants of the faith never changing you risk stagnation but if you let in to many outsiders you risk diluting the faith and losing it to radical new ideas and change, ie. they have new ideas, you don't like them, they split off and create their own sect. The passing days drew us closer
The pain is matched with joy.
Both hands reflect that
I cry when I think of you.
And that's the issue with British Traditional Wicca. Granted Wicca is only 60 years old however it's doubtful that Gardner would want his religion to stay the same. Which is ultimately why the amount of Solitaries has probably grown. Not just with young practioners, but with people who were initiated into BTW and ultimately got sick of the stagnation and moved onto being solitary.
Yorisotta sugi shi hi wa
Itami wo yorokobi ai
Ryoute ni utsushi dasu
Anata wo omoi naite iru
Very interesting, Do you know, is Wicca, as a whole (not any particular tradition but as a whole) growing?
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Posted: Wed Jun 29, 2011 10:26 am
bearcatthorin Ravynne Sidhe bearcatthorin Well the problem with trying to prevent the destruction of a religion (or any other group for that matter) is that if you strictly adhere to the exact tenants of the faith never changing you risk stagnation but if you let in to many outsiders you risk diluting the faith and losing it to radical new ideas and change, ie. they have new ideas, you don't like them, they split off and create their own sect. The passing days drew us closer
The pain is matched with joy.
Both hands reflect that
I cry when I think of you.
And that's the issue with British Traditional Wicca. Granted Wicca is only 60 years old however it's doubtful that Gardner would want his religion to stay the same. Which is ultimately why the amount of Solitaries has probably grown. Not just with young practioners, but with people who were initiated into BTW and ultimately got sick of the stagnation and moved onto being solitary.
Yorisotta sugi shi hi wa
Itami wo yorokobi ai
Ryoute ni utsushi dasu
Anata wo omoi naite iru
Very interesting, Do you know, is Wicca, as a whole (not any particular tradition but as a whole) growing? The passing days drew us closer
The pain is matched with joy.
Both hands reflect that
I cry when I think of you.
Judging by the amount of books and people I have encountered in Wicca-centric groups, I would say, yes Wicca is growing as a whole.
Yorisotta sugi shi hi wa
Itami wo yorokobi ai
Ryoute ni utsushi dasu
Anata wo omoi naite iru
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Posted: Wed Jun 29, 2011 10:28 am
Ravynne Sidhe bearcatthorin Ravynne Sidhe bearcatthorin Well the problem with trying to prevent the destruction of a religion (or any other group for that matter) is that if you strictly adhere to the exact tenants of the faith never changing you risk stagnation but if you let in to many outsiders you risk diluting the faith and losing it to radical new ideas and change, ie. they have new ideas, you don't like them, they split off and create their own sect. The passing days drew us closer
The pain is matched with joy.
Both hands reflect that
I cry when I think of you.
And that's the issue with British Traditional Wicca. Granted Wicca is only 60 years old however it's doubtful that Gardner would want his religion to stay the same. Which is ultimately why the amount of Solitaries has probably grown. Not just with young practioners, but with people who were initiated into BTW and ultimately got sick of the stagnation and moved onto being solitary.
Yorisotta sugi shi hi wa
Itami wo yorokobi ai
Ryoute ni utsushi dasu
Anata wo omoi naite iru
Very interesting, Do you know, is Wicca, as a whole (not any particular tradition but as a whole) growing? The passing days drew us closer
The pain is matched with joy.
Both hands reflect that
I cry when I think of you.
Judging by the amount of books and people I have encountered in Wicca-centric groups, I would say, yes Wicca is growing as a whole.
Yorisotta sugi shi hi wa
Itami wo yorokobi ai
Ryoute ni utsushi dasu
Anata wo omoi naite iru
Good, so far I like most of the Wiccans & witches I've met.
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Questionable Shapeshifter
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Posted: Wed Jun 29, 2011 11:13 am
EllaMaundrell Perhaps the different religions are right to cling to their small details. Not all of them, and not all the time. Sometimes, the small details make the biggest difference. For instance, a small piece of DNA could prove a man innocent or guilty of murder. This may be an overly serious example, but it could be a serious issue for people about their faith. Everybodie's got to go with what is right for them. It's the "If we're rigth everybody else is wrong" attitude that gets me. I don't think ant deitiy would want their worshippers arguing amongst themselves about triviallities.
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Posted: Wed Jun 29, 2011 11:18 am
Ravynne Sidhe bearcatthorin Ravynne Sidhe bearcatthorin Ravynne Sidhe bearcatthorin This is a question, Can they (Wiccans) get together despite those differences? Depends on how far their elitist stick is shoved up their a**. In all seriousness, it depends on the BTW themselves. I have met a few British Traditional Wiccans that are absolutely fine with solitaries. What we normally see on Gaia isn't the same for all the internet communities out there. There are some who are elitist, but that seems to be the extreme minority. Well that's good. Oh by the way, are rituals ever open to on BTW perhaps by invitation or not. Asatru rituals are often right out in the open and may be viewed by anyone, public parks and the like. It depends on the coven. Some covens do allow people to join their public rituals every sabbath, though some people consider that outer court material. What occurs within the coven though is very hush hush. Yeah I have heard that there are parts that are secret. The Asatru aren't secretive at all, they'll tell anybody anything... unless there are things they aren't telling me... "hmmmm" LOL The passing days drew us closer
The pain is matched with joy.
Both hands reflect that
I cry when I think of you.
LOL! As explained in the FAQ, the hush hush aspect was borrowed from the different secret societies that Gardner himself was apart of. In case someone were to try and destroy the religion, or whatever the case was.
Yorisotta sugi shi hi wa
Itami wo yorokobi ai
Ryoute ni utsushi dasu
Anata wo omoi naite iru
At the time Gardner published his book the anti-witchraft laws were still on the books in Britain. A lot of the secrecy probably came from that. Gardner never wanted secrecy. He wrote books. He wrote articles. He gave interviews. He did lectures. It was his COVEN that didn't like all the PR. He says in th epreface to his own book that there was a LOT of arguing before he was allowed to even write it.
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Questionable Shapeshifter
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Posted: Wed Jun 29, 2011 11:31 am
vwytche Ravynne Sidhe bearcatthorin Ravynne Sidhe bearcatthorin Well that's good. Oh by the way, are rituals ever open to on BTW perhaps by invitation or not. Asatru rituals are often right out in the open and may be viewed by anyone, public parks and the like. It depends on the coven. Some covens do allow people to join their public rituals every sabbath, though some people consider that outer court material. What occurs within the coven though is very hush hush. Yeah I have heard that there are parts that are secret. The Asatru aren't secretive at all, they'll tell anybody anything... unless there are things they aren't telling me... "hmmmm" LOL The passing days drew us closer
The pain is matched with joy.
Both hands reflect that
I cry when I think of you.
LOL! As explained in the FAQ, the hush hush aspect was borrowed from the different secret societies that Gardner himself was apart of. In case someone were to try and destroy the religion, or whatever the case was.
Yorisotta sugi shi hi wa
Itami wo yorokobi ai
Ryoute ni utsushi dasu
Anata wo omoi naite iru
At the time Gardner published his book the anti-witchraft laws were still on the books in Britain. A lot of the secrecy probably came from that. Gardner never wanted secrecy. He wrote books. He wrote articles. He gave interviews. He did lectures. It was his COVEN that didn't like all the PR. He says in th epreface to his own book that there was a LOT of arguing before he was allowed to even write it. The passing days drew us closer
The pain is matched with joy.
Both hands reflect that
I cry when I think of you.
High Magic's Aid was considered fictional. However when he wrote Witchcraft Today which was published in 1954, it was 3 years after the witchcraft laws were appealed. And yeah the covens didn't like the PR, and many still don't. Which is odd.
Yorisotta sugi shi hi wa
Itami wo yorokobi ai
Ryoute ni utsushi dasu
Anata wo omoi naite iru
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Posted: Wed Jun 29, 2011 2:23 pm
Ravynne Sidhe vwytche Ravynne Sidhe bearcatthorin Ravynne Sidhe bearcatthorin Well that's good. Oh by the way, are rituals ever open to on BTW perhaps by invitation or not. Asatru rituals are often right out in the open and may be viewed by anyone, public parks and the like. It depends on the coven. Some covens do allow people to join their public rituals every sabbath, though some people consider that outer court material. What occurs within the coven though is very hush hush. Yeah I have heard that there are parts that are secret. The Asatru aren't secretive at all, they'll tell anybody anything... unless there are things they aren't telling me... "hmmmm" LOL The passing days drew us closer
The pain is matched with joy.
Both hands reflect that
I cry when I think of you.
LOL! As explained in the FAQ, the hush hush aspect was borrowed from the different secret societies that Gardner himself was apart of. In case someone were to try and destroy the religion, or whatever the case was.
Yorisotta sugi shi hi wa
Itami wo yorokobi ai
Ryoute ni utsushi dasu
Anata wo omoi naite iru
At the time Gardner published his book the anti-witchraft laws were still on the books in Britain. A lot of the secrecy probably came from that. Gardner never wanted secrecy. He wrote books. He wrote articles. He gave interviews. He did lectures. It was his COVEN that didn't like all the PR. He says in th epreface to his own book that there was a LOT of arguing before he was allowed to even write it. The passing days drew us closer
The pain is matched with joy.
Both hands reflect that
I cry when I think of you.
High Magic's Aid was considered fictional. However when he wrote Witchcraft Today which was published in 1954, it was 3 years after the witchcraft laws were appealed. And yeah the covens didn't like the PR, and many still don't. Which is odd.
Yorisotta sugi shi hi wa
Itami wo yorokobi ai
Ryoute ni utsushi dasu
Anata wo omoi naite iru
????? I thought they weren't repeale duntil the 70s.
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Questionable Shapeshifter
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Posted: Wed Jun 29, 2011 2:25 pm
vwytche Ravynne Sidhe vwytche Ravynne Sidhe bearcatthorin Yeah I have heard that there are parts that are secret. The Asatru aren't secretive at all, they'll tell anybody anything... unless there are things they aren't telling me... "hmmmm" LOL The passing days drew us closer
The pain is matched with joy.
Both hands reflect that
I cry when I think of you.
LOL! As explained in the FAQ, the hush hush aspect was borrowed from the different secret societies that Gardner himself was apart of. In case someone were to try and destroy the religion, or whatever the case was.
Yorisotta sugi shi hi wa
Itami wo yorokobi ai
Ryoute ni utsushi dasu
Anata wo omoi naite iru
At the time Gardner published his book the anti-witchraft laws were still on the books in Britain. A lot of the secrecy probably came from that. Gardner never wanted secrecy. He wrote books. He wrote articles. He gave interviews. He did lectures. It was his COVEN that didn't like all the PR. He says in th epreface to his own book that there was a LOT of arguing before he was allowed to even write it. The passing days drew us closer
The pain is matched with joy.
Both hands reflect that
I cry when I think of you.
High Magic's Aid was considered fictional. However when he wrote Witchcraft Today which was published in 1954, it was 3 years after the witchcraft laws were appealed. And yeah the covens didn't like the PR, and many still don't. Which is odd.
Yorisotta sugi shi hi wa
Itami wo yorokobi ai
Ryoute ni utsushi dasu
Anata wo omoi naite iru
????? I thought they weren't repeale duntil the 70s. The passing days drew us closer
The pain is matched with joy.
Both hands reflect that
I cry when I think of you.
Nope. 1951 was when it was repealed in Britain. 1970 was when Wicca: The Guide to the Solitary Practioner was released by Scott Cunningham.
Yorisotta sugi shi hi wa
Itami wo yorokobi ai
Ryoute ni utsushi dasu
Anata wo omoi naite iru
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Posted: Thu Jun 30, 2011 9:38 pm
vwytche EllaMaundrell Perhaps the different religions are right to cling to their small details. Not all of them, and not all the time. Sometimes, the small details make the biggest difference. For instance, a small piece of DNA could prove a man innocent or guilty of murder. This may be an overly serious example, but it could be a serious issue for people about their faith. Everybodie's got to go with what is right for them. It's the "If we're rigth everybody else is wrong" attitude that gets me. I don't think ant deitiy would want their worshippers arguing amongst themselves about triviallities. True. Like others have said, I believe it all is just part of human nature.
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IsysChrystalineRavensBane
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Posted: Tue Jul 05, 2011 11:39 am
I think every religion practicer has a case of I read it.tunnel vision, no matter how small. "I'm right, your wrong, give up practicing so I feel better with myself." Is how
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