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Posted: Sun Mar 06, 2011 10:13 am
If I'm gay, do I go to hell?The answer is (unfortunately) yes. Being gay isn't who a person is, as many may say. It's just a way to make it acceptable. Now PLEASE don't get me wrong, I have a few friends who are gay, most of them aren't trying to stop it and aren't really Christians, but I have one friend Named jared who is trying to stop. He still wears makeup and does ballet with a passion, but He is not acting on any urges that have ot do with his same sex and Is trying to just focus on God KNOWING that He can help (and has been!). Okay So Why is it wrong? Well, The Bible says that people who refuse to turn from their sin and recieve God's forgiveness will end up in Hell whether they are gay or straight. Does the Bible teach that homosexuality is a sin? Yes, very clearly! ~Leviticus 18:22 says (speaking to a male) "'You shall not lie with a man as you lie with a woman. It is abomination,..'" ~Romans 1: 26-28 says "For this reason, God gave them up to vile passions. for even their women exchanged the natural use for what is against nature. Likewise, also the men, leaving the natural use of a woman, burned in their lust for one another, men with men, committing what is shameful, and recieveing in themselves the penalty of their error which was due." ~1 Corinthians 6:9-10 says "Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the Kingdom of God? Do not be decieved, neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulturers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites, nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, nor will inherit the kingdom of God." But it also says that sex outside of marriage, drunkenness, lying, and stealing are sins. So lets lay aside the whole issue of being gay for a moment, and imagine that our homosexual friend is straight and married. He/She still has a problem. They, like all of us, still have broken a number of commandments (Psalm 143:2). Regardles of the nature of their sin, all people, heterosexual or homosexual, must turn to the Lord and trust in Christ in order to be saved (Acts 4:12; 17:30-31). Did thid help?
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Posted: Sun Mar 06, 2011 1:02 pm
The AngeI of Love Well, Carbon isn't found in bones, bone marrow, or skeleton or anything dead, really. Carbon is found in rock an rock alone. So testing the carbon in a fossil is really pointless. For the claims that you make in the OP, you really haven't done your homework at all, have you? I don't know where you get your facts, but carbon is somehing found in all living things. Have you not heard the expression "Carbon-based life form"? What, did you think it applied only to golems?! I'm getting a bit frustrated that you (or in fact anyone that has passed a high-school science class) didn't know that. Honestly if you weren't in a guild for what are basically Christian fundamentalists, I'd think that you were a troll. Did you try to block it all out, because they didn't teach your version of what happened? Alright... Calming down a bit, what carbon dating does is send out radiation to measure decay. Do you believe that rocks decay? No, really? Do you think that they rot? As for carbon in all life-forms on Earth, here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbon Fourth paragraph. Now you are either saying that you know more about carbon than every science teacher that I've ever had and wikipedia, or you're going to have to find a new way of rationally disbelieving carbon dating.
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Posted: Sun Mar 06, 2011 9:07 pm
Matasoga For the claims that you make in the OP, you really haven't done your homework at all, have you? I don't know where you get your facts, but carbon is somehing found in all living things. Have you not heard the expression "Carbon-based life form"? What, did you think it applied only to golems?! I'm getting a bit frustrated that you (or in fact anyone that has passed a high-school science class) didn't know that. Honestly if you weren't in a guild for what are basically Christian fundamentalists, I'd think that you were a troll. Did you try to block it all out, because they didn't teach your version of what happened? Alright... Calming down a bit, what carbon dating does is send out radiation to measure decay. Do you believe that rocks decay? No, really? Do you think that they rot? As for carbon in all life-forms on Earth, here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbon Fourth paragraph. Now you are either saying that you know more about carbon than every science teacher that I've ever had and wikipedia, or you're going to have to find a new way of rationally disbelieving carbon dating. Im unsure as to why you are so upset..? (: You did say it yourself, however, carbon is found in all living things.. Did you catch that? LIVING things. Also, carbon-based LIFE forms. After an animal dies, the carbon leaves the dead carcass of bone, thus your statement above doesn't prove valid. Also, You cannot really cite wikipedia as a source, as almost anyone has access to change the information inside. Source cited was not recognized because of this fact. I am getting my information from several people and my own research, just so you know. An Highschool classes teach alot of things, It doesnt necessarily make them right. The school system (owned by the government) Has to toeach a certain curriculum by law. Otherwise We would all be learning whatever the science teacher thought was fit and best in their eyes. Carbon dating DOES indeed test the decay.. but of what? CARBON. hence the name CARBON-dating. If there isn't carbon in a DEAD animal, then the measurements are interfered with and thus, wrong.
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Posted: Sun Mar 06, 2011 9:28 pm
The AngeI of Love Matasoga For the claims that you make in the OP, you really haven't done your homework at all, have you? I don't know where you get your facts, but carbon is somehing found in all living things. Have you not heard the expression "Carbon-based life form"? What, did you think it applied only to golems?! I'm getting a bit frustrated that you (or in fact anyone that has passed a high-school science class) didn't know that. Honestly if you weren't in a guild for what are basically Christian fundamentalists, I'd think that you were a troll. Did you try to block it all out, because they didn't teach your version of what happened? Alright... Calming down a bit, what carbon dating does is send out radiation to measure decay. Do you believe that rocks decay? No, really? Do you think that they rot? As for carbon in all life-forms on Earth, here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbon Fourth paragraph. Now you are either saying that you know more about carbon than every science teacher that I've ever had and wikipedia, or you're going to have to find a new way of rationally disbelieving carbon dating. Im unsure as to why you are so upset..? (: You did say it yourself, however, carbon is found in all living things.. Did you catch that? LIVING things. Also, carbon-based LIFE forms. After an animal dies, the carbon leaves the dead carcass of bone, thus your statement above doesn't prove valid. Also, You cannot really cite wikipedia as a source, as almost anyone has access to change the information inside. Source cited was not recognized because of this fact. I am getting my information from several people and my own research, just so you know. An Highschool classes teach alot of things, It doesnt necessarily make them right. The school system (owned by the government) Has to toeach a certain curriculum by law. Otherwise We would all be learning whatever the science teacher thought was fit and best in their eyes. Carbon dating DOES indeed test the decay.. but of what? CARBON. hence the name CARBON-dating. If there isn't carbon in a DEAD animal, then the measurements are interfered with and thus, wrong. I am upset because ignorance, of a certain magnitude is a shocking and appalling. Now, if you are holding to the argument that carbon exists only in rocks, then we can stop here. You've blinded yourself to any hope of the truth that is science, but you really should change the name of your thread if that is the attitude that you've decided to take. I used Wikipedia, because I don't know of a single serious scientific journal written in such layman's terms as to explain something so rudimentary and basic as the fact that all life on earth are carbon based life forms. If you think that wikipedia is inaccurate on something so elementary as this, and fail to provide a counter source, then I think that we can just about conclude our business here. When a thing dies, it decays. The carbon doesn't disappear. Traces of carbon take so long to decay that they can be measured. Now that I have taken the time to explain this to you, answer one very pivotal question for me. Do you believe that life on earth is not carbon-based and that carbon is found only in rocks?
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Posted: Mon Mar 07, 2011 11:50 am
Matasoga The AngeI of Love Matasoga For the claims that you make in the OP, you really haven't done your homework at all, have you? I don't know where you get your facts, but carbon is somehing found in all living things. Have you not heard the expression "Carbon-based life form"? What, did you think it applied only to golems?! I'm getting a bit frustrated that you (or in fact anyone that has passed a high-school science class) didn't know that. Honestly if you weren't in a guild for what are basically Christian fundamentalists, I'd think that you were a troll. Did you try to block it all out, because they didn't teach your version of what happened? Alright... Calming down a bit, what carbon dating does is send out radiation to measure decay. Do you believe that rocks decay? No, really? Do you think that they rot? As for carbon in all life-forms on Earth, here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbon Fourth paragraph. Now you are either saying that you know more about carbon than every science teacher that I've ever had and wikipedia, or you're going to have to find a new way of rationally disbelieving carbon dating. Im unsure as to why you are so upset..? (: You did say it yourself, however, carbon is found in all living things.. Did you catch that? LIVING things. Also, carbon-based LIFE forms. After an animal dies, the carbon leaves the dead carcass of bone, thus your statement above doesn't prove valid. Also, You cannot really cite wikipedia as a source, as almost anyone has access to change the information inside. Source cited was not recognized because of this fact. I am getting my information from several people and my own research, just so you know. An Highschool classes teach alot of things, It doesnt necessarily make them right. The school system (owned by the government) Has to toeach a certain curriculum by law. Otherwise We would all be learning whatever the science teacher thought was fit and best in their eyes. Carbon dating DOES indeed test the decay.. but of what? CARBON. hence the name CARBON-dating. If there isn't carbon in a DEAD animal, then the measurements are interfered with and thus, wrong. I am upset because ignorance, of a certain magnitude is a shocking and appalling. Now, if you are holding to the argument that carbon exists only in rocks, then we can stop here. You've blinded yourself to any hope of the truth that is science, but you really should change the name of your thread if that is the attitude that you've decided to take. I used Wikipedia, because I don't know of a single serious scientific journal written in such layman's terms as to explain something so rudimentary and basic as the fact that all life on earth are carbon based life forms. If you think that wikipedia is inaccurate on something so elementary as this, and fail to provide a counter source, then I think that we can just about conclude our business here. When a thing dies, it decays. The carbon doesn't disappear. Traces of carbon take so long to decay that they can be measured. Now that I have taken the time to explain this to you, answer one very pivotal question for me. Do you believe that life on earth is not carbon-based and that carbon is found only in rocks? I encourage you to find another source, because this one is not reliable whatsoever. also, If you read what I wrote, You will understand that I agreed carbon is found in all life forms, not dead forms. Carbon is a gas so when the skin and muscle et cetera deteriorates and rots away and all that is left is bone, the carbon will leave because it is no longer being contained. a gas will continue to expand and thin out when it has no boundaries, simple chemistry. Im done arguing the clear point and reality of what is and isn't true to someone who is so hard hearted and set to their beliefs than to take another's into consideration. And please don't say that I am like that because I suspect you will. I have considered ALL points of explaining the universe and I have done my homework. Thank you, and au revoir, Monsieur.
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Posted: Mon Mar 07, 2011 7:17 pm
The AngeI of Love Im done arguing the clear point and reality of what is adnd isn't tru to omeone who is so hard hearted and set to their beliefs than to take another's into consideration. I'd usually say that I couldn't have said it better myself, but... Yeech. Typing, dear. Do try to be more careful, lest you even more thoroughly destroy your credibility, not with the outrageously ignorant things that you say, but with the flagrant disregard for spelling, typing and grammar that you exhibit when saying them. You're right about one thing though. You and I are done here and continuing this debate can serve no further intellectual purpose.
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Posted: Tue Mar 08, 2011 9:38 am
Goodbye, Have a nice day Sir. And please don't comment on my grammatical errors, It isn't my fault if my keyboard sticks and Im too busy to go back and check all of my errors. Thank-you.
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Posted: Thu Mar 10, 2011 4:18 pm
This is a very nice initiative by the Original poster. Science has become a religion that most people trust without questions. If you claim something outlandish and tag science on to it most people are more than willing to accept it. Not everything that claims to be science is science, but theories. Most will cling to their theories though as if they were true and reject God and his free gift of Salvation through Jesus Christ, even though nature is abundant with proof of a Creator.
Romans 1:25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.
Romans 1:28 And even as they did not like to retain God in [their] knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;
1 Corinthians 1:20 Where is the wise man? Where is the scholar? Where is the philosopher of this age? Has not God made foolish the wisdom of the world?
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Posted: Fri Mar 11, 2011 1:29 pm
Garland-Green This is a very nice initiative by the Original poster. Science has become a religion that most people trust without questions. If you claim something outlandish and tag science on to it most people are more than willing to accept it. Not everything that claims to be science is science, but theories. Most will cling to their theories though as if they were true and reject God and his free gift of Salvation through Jesus Christ, even though nature is abundant with proof of a Creator. Romans 1:25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen. Romans 1:28 And even as they did not like to retain God in [their] knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient; 1 Corinthians 1:20 Where is the wise man? Where is the scholar? Where is the philosopher of this age? Has not God made foolish the wisdom of the world? Thank-you for your post biggrin It does make a lot of sense, though smile If you can thinkof any questions that people might have, let me know and I will do my best to answer them for anyone else who happens to look at this thread ^^' ~Allie
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Posted: Fri Mar 11, 2011 5:50 pm
Here's a good question; If God is all knowing and knows the future, why did he create man knowing we were gonna fall and be damned?
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Posted: Fri Mar 11, 2011 8:12 pm
starry night-163 Here's a good question; If God is all knowing and knows the future, why did he create man knowing we were gonna fall and be damned? cause he created humans to worship him freely i was told that was one reason he made us
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Posted: Sat Mar 12, 2011 9:20 am
The AngeI of Love Garland-Green This is a very nice initiative by the Original poster. Science has become a religion that most people trust without questions. If you claim something outlandish and tag science on to it most people are more than willing to accept it. Not everything that claims to be science is science, but theories. Most will cling to their theories though as if they were true and reject God and his free gift of Salvation through Jesus Christ, even though nature is abundant with proof of a Creator. Romans 1:25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen. Romans 1:28 And even as they did not like to retain God in [their] knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient; 1 Corinthians 1:20 Where is the wise man? Where is the scholar? Where is the philosopher of this age? Has not God made foolish the wisdom of the world? Thank-you for your post biggrin It does make a lot of sense, though smile If you can thinkof any questions that people might have, let me know and I will do my best to answer them for anyone else who happens to look at this thread ^^' ~Allie Stars are millions of light years away from earth, and it takes million of years for the light of these distant stars to hit earth. Would that make earth millions of years old assuming the stars are that distant? smile
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Posted: Sun Mar 13, 2011 3:16 pm
The AngeI of Love If I'm gay, do I go to hell?The answer is (unfortunately) yes. Being gay isn't who a person is, as many may say. It's just a way to make it acceptable. Now PLEASE don't get me wrong, I have a few friends who are gay, most of them aren't trying to stop it and aren't really Christians, but I have one friend Named jared who is trying to stop. He still wears makeup and does ballet with a passion, but He is not acting on any urges that have ot do with his same sex and Is trying to just focus on God KNOWING that He can help (and has been!). Okay So Why is it wrong? Well, The Bible says that people who refuse to turn from their sin and recieve God's forgiveness will end up in Hell whether they are gay or straight. Does the Bible teach that homosexuality is a sin? Yes, very clearly! ~Leviticus 18:22 says (speaking to a male) "'You shall not lie with a man as you lie with a woman. It is abomination,..'" ~Romans 1: 26-28 says "For this reason, God gave them up to vile passions. for even their women exchanged the natural use for what is against nature. Likewise, also the men, leaving the natural use of a woman, burned in their lust for one another, men with men, committing what is shameful, and recieveing in themselves the penalty of their error which was due." ~1 Corinthians 6:9-10 says "Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the Kingdom of God? Do not be decieved, neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulturers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites, nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, nor will inherit the kingdom of God." But it also says that sex outside of marriage, drunkenness, lying, and stealing are sins. So lets lay aside the whole issue of being gay for a moment, and imagine that our homosexual friend is straight and married. He/She still has a problem. They, like all of us, still have broken a number of commandments (Psalm 143:2). Regardles of the nature of their sin, all people, heterosexual or homosexual, must turn to the Lord and trust in Christ in order to be saved (Acts 4:12; 17:30-31). Did thid help? well i have a couple things to say. 1. homosexuality was verry comon before and slightly after the bibil was written (thats out of my history book) 2. isn't it also said that if we ask for forgivness we wont go to hell? we're taught to be good people. that we have a kind and forgiving god. he is our father (church) 3. i belive god created sciance. he created evolution to throw us off but Jesus forgot to mention it. or purposly didnt say anything. i used to go to church and i have a bible of my oun. i went to sunday school. my parents have taught me about jesus and we celibrate him on christmas, not santa.
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Posted: Mon Mar 14, 2011 11:05 am
mia loved1 well i have a couple things to say. 1. homosexuality was verry comon before and slightly after the bibil was written (thats out of my history book) 2. isn't it also said that if we ask for forgivness we wont go to hell? we're taught to be good people. that we have a kind and forgiving god. he is our father (church) 3. i belive god created sciance. he created evolution to throw us off but Jesus forgot to mention it. or purposly didnt say anything. i used to go to church and i have a bible of my oun. i went to sunday school. my parents have taught me about jesus and we celibrate him on christmas, not santa. Those are some very good points Mia (: Ill Address them one by one. 1. It was actually very common especially in the cities of Soddom and Gomorrah. Im not sure if you've heard this story in sunday school or not, but it is when God decided to destroy these two cities because so many people were sleeping with eachother (male and female) That God destroyed it. The people who knew God and worshipped Him were told that God would send fire down to destroy the cities. As they were fleeing, one man's wife looked back (God had told them not to) and turned to a pillar of salt right then and there. You see, there was a TOn of sin going on so God put an end to it on the spot. Your history book is correct about that though, and there still is homosexuality going on all-over the place today. 2. Yes, If we ask for forgiveness and turn from our sin and live for Jesus we will go to Heaven (also called repentance). But the thing is many people think they can ask for forgiveness and then keep on going about their lives as if nothing has changed. That kind of forgiveness won't work if you dont mean it with your heart. 3. many people ar thrown off with this very topic. God did not creat evolution, however, God created man, and man created the idea of evolution. Before evolutionists became prominent, almost everyone was very into religion and God or gods. I personally believe that God allowed man to create the idea of Evolution so that we, as human beings, would have a choice to love God and believe in Him. When someone is forced to hang out with you, it isn't much fun. But when you make plans with them and they WANT to hang out with you, its WAy more fun! God didn't want people to Love him because they had no other choice, He wanted us to Love him because we wanted to. (: ~Allie
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Posted: Mon Mar 14, 2011 11:10 am
starry night-163 Here's a good question; If God is all knowing and knows the future, why did he create man knowing we were gonna fall and be damned? Here's a scenario that always comes to mind when someone asks something like this: God created man, no robots. He could have created robots; perfect beings that would never do anything wrong and love him with no doubts. But God wanted true love. I used this example recently to another person smile When you are forced to sit in a room with someone you dont care about, things are awkward, and just not fun at all. But if you go and make plans with someone you like, it can be a whole bunch of fun. God didn't want to create robots that just loved Him because they were programmed to. He created Humans with a choice to Love him, real love. Giving us the choices he did in what we want to do with our lives was a gift so we weren't robots. Here's another example: You get more joy out of watching a puppy come to you joyfully when you call him then when he's being stubborn and your making him come, right? That's God, He gave us the free will, because forced love isn't love at all!
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