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Posted: Sat Jan 28, 2006 7:04 pm
Life is never resolved that neatly, my friend. Even if an 'evil' enemy is utterly defeated, there will remain differences in opinion regarding the forward progression and direction to take in peacetime... which would ultimately lead to conflict. Keeping in mind that this is a NINE MILLION YEAR war we're dealing with, old habits die hard, and for a being that was created for the sole purpose of battle, peace might be too foreign a concept to comprehend. Some would simply seek to fight in order to sate their own inate restlessness. The victor would simply divide into disparate factions and commence the war anew, each fighting to uphold the beliefs they respectively hold true. Hostilities such as these can never end, for it is fated to be the Endless War...
Transtech would have been interesting because it was to continue from where Beast Machines left off, but resurrect many of the G1 cast (including Optimus Prime). Beast Wars pushed the line with the organic notion (made justifiable only when considered as an advancement of Pretenders technology), but Beast Machines went too far - Cybertron should never have been rendered organic. I mean, it makes no sense; many of the problems experienced by the original Transformers on Earth were the result of being exposed to our atmosphere, where elements required for sustaining organic life lead to rust in their own metallic structures - how could they have possibly originated upon an organic world themselves? Silly. But there are those out there who see no problem with this concept, so each to their own, I guess.
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Posted: Mon Jan 30, 2006 1:14 pm
That is one reason many things have been made in the image of man. From Greek gods to Transformers, battles rage on becuase of different veiws. That was one thing we realy started to see in the BW. Dinobot had a different veiw from Megatron and was blasted away. Optimus and Dinobot still had many of different veiws but an agrument or fight with no repest of the other is a pointless one.
Megatron showed what was the problem of the war in BM in one ep. True under one mind with no other free thinker we would have true peace, but man can not make true peace. We like conflict to much to give it up. The proof is on TV every day at almost every hour.
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Posted: Mon Jan 30, 2006 4:33 pm
conflict is fun and inportint it pussis ppl to stried to new thing and what not
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Posted: Mon Jan 30, 2006 4:54 pm
I wouldn't ever say that conflict is 'fun', but it does lead to dramatically-charged storytelling, which I'm sure is your contention. smile And the 'hive-mind' utopia is a facinating concept, wouldn't you say? Ultimately, individuality leads to opposition, which often culminates in dispute. War is inevitable, I fear... sad
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Posted: Mon Jan 30, 2006 8:25 pm
Cudboy The Vehicons were so mechanical in nature, many of them tended to remind me more of deluxe 'Machine Men' (Go-Bots) than Transformers... And this is a bad thing... how? xd I love almost all of the Vehicons. Cudboy ...I really liked Night Viper, myself. And Snarl was also cool (if only they'd initially gone with his Universe colours...). Oh yeah, I'd consider Night Viper and Battle Unicorn to be ranked among the greatest Basics of all time.
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Posted: Tue Jan 31, 2006 3:23 am
Battle Unicorn was never released out here, unfortunately. We eventually recieved Magna Stampede, of the Universe line, but I just didn't like the alternate colours from what I had already seen online. The beast form was okay, but the robot... I'm still looking for the original Beast Machines version. As for the similarities to Go-Bots... well, it all comes down to whether or not one actually holds these toys in much regard. Personally, I don't think they're much good, but some of the Vehicons were kinda cool (Tankor, in particular). They were certainly different, no doubt about that!
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Posted: Tue Jan 31, 2006 7:50 am
I hear one of the online stores has a bunch of backstock on Battle Unicorn... Yep, it's Big Bad Toy Store. Here you go. Five bucks. I just love the use of translucent parts in this line, translucency is everywhere. Especially on Battle Unicorn, most of his plastic is translucent, and about half of anything you can't see through is actually paint over translucent plastic.
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Posted: Tue Jan 31, 2006 9:48 am
Cudboy I wouldn't ever say that conflict is 'fun', but it does lead to dramatically-charged storytelling, which I'm sure is your contention. smile And the 'hive-mind' utopia is a facinating concept, wouldn't you say? Ultimately, individuality leads to opposition, which often culminates in dispute. War is inevitable, I fear... sad No, I mean conflict is fun. If it wasn't then we would not have some many things based on it. Just look at our world. How many battle have been faught. From Polotics fighting, to wars, to video games, to football, to even Wheel of fortune is a fight if you think about it. It is three people competeing to see who will win. We like it.
Sure they are different types of conflict but they all are still focus on two or more groups/induviduals fighting or competing. this is why wrestling and Soaps have become so popular.
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Posted: Tue Jan 31, 2006 10:08 am
Hmmm... I suppose conflict could include competition, but "competition" usually lacks the negative connotations that "conflict" carries. So while technically you aren't wrong, the words you are using are not quite conveying the meaning you're intending.
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Posted: Tue Jan 31, 2006 5:18 pm
Nightviper is one of the most unique and wonderous molds I have ever owned/seen. In fact, I loved to take him to work and put him in a pose on his knees (the main ones, anyway) and arms reaching for the sky. He was my idol of frustration in the "Why god?!?" pose. pirate
Battle Unicorn, however is an interesting idea gone to the depths of complication. Tranforming that mug almost always involved a pauldron popping off. The battle axe is wonderous, but I never got used to his tranformation sequence.
Hammerstrike, however, is right up there with Nightviper. Not a very inspired transformation, but his ultimate look dubbed him as Raziel for me . . . an emaciated transformer- go figure!
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Eloquent Conversationalist
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Posted: Tue Jan 31, 2006 6:28 pm
I'd have to personally disagree with you on the issue of translusencies, Mylian, but each to their own. And thanks for the link, by the way; now, if only I can work out a way to make a purchase sans credit card...
And I ardently disagree with your definition, rockmanx - there is NOTHING 'fun' about genuine conflict. Sure, humanity seems to be possessed of an inate bloodlust, but anyone who truly derives any kind of pleasure responce from a conflict scenario obviously has never had a loaded firearm waved in their face. Maybe I'm going too far with this, but the notion does offend me to a large degree. But I'm a hopeless idealist, I must admit. I'd agree with Mylian's response here, as competition is only part of what can be considered conflict - there's a lot more to the concept, especially when one is talking about war. Of course, the term conflict holds many definitions, so perhaps we're all right on the money, after all...
Look, beneficial conflict involves the establishment of a problem, and the effort it takes to resolve this situation. This is what is key in good storytelling - without it, there is simply no point (unless your primary aim is to sell toys, heh heh). Competative sports, for instance, also follow this mindset; your aim as a participant is to score a point, while the opposition seeks to prevent this, and vice versa. Politics, when there is a conflict of concept, also follows this example (unless we're talking about Philippino parliament, which can sometimes bare more resemblence to the WWF...!).
But let us not forget; nobody wins a war... somebody loses...
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Posted: Wed Feb 01, 2006 7:19 am
i like the spider from BM she is a cool toy better the on the show she looked like a big cocroch
side note i made har a preadacon for the hell of it
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Posted: Wed Feb 01, 2006 9:16 am
Mylian, how true that the word conflict does carry a different wait then competition, but competition can lead to the more negitive conflict. Just look at our goverment, special last night's speeches.
Unlike our polotics, TF has a clear cut line on who is good and evil. Conflict has two or more oposing forces trying to reach their goal. Now you can do what most human tend to do, least around here, and break out into a fist fight where someone uses a gun. Sadly, we have lack of honor here. There is always a coward that can't stand someone oposing them.
Of course I am in favor of doing something that the anime "Battle Athletes" did and that was to use sports as a means to fight there battles.
True Cudboy that most who love "has never had a loaded firearm waved in their face" becuase they are the one divering it. I watched some of these ganga around here and they love terrorize people but surely you better not do it to them. They will say it is unfair. You'll also find this in some groups that do nothing but sit on their tail and cry racist all day.
Now me, I've always been up for a good little fight or debate, as long as we can go and eat pizza together afterwards. But then I'm a person that believe in honor, respect, and a fair fight; but I'm a rare breed of human.
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Posted: Wed Feb 01, 2006 9:39 am
It's sad to say that whenever I wax lyrical about something as fundementally important as honour, most people's eyes glaze over as their countenance takes on a representative expression of "WTF?!" sad And yet, if you ask me, the best Transformers scenarios are the ones that don't feature a clear-cut delineation between good and evil - ambiguity of agenda leads to greater conflict, dramatically speaking. Politics can be particularly clandestine in nature; a soldier at least follows his orders, whether for better or worse, but a self-serving politician...? And it's true; cowards bare arms, while heroes rely on wit. 3nodding Who will win? Father Time will ultimately be the judge, I guess, as Fate plays her final hand. Are the meek truly capable of inheriting the world? Debate is the purist battlefield known to man, so such a shame it is that this concourse is so rarely turned to; so much easier is it to pull a trigger than to contemplate one's own opinion (or that of another). And as I always love to remind people, "no-one wins a war... somebody loses". neutral
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Posted: Wed Feb 01, 2006 3:29 pm
BogiePop i like the spider from BM she is a cool toy better the on the show she looked like a big cocroch side note i made har a preadacon for the hell of it Ah, yes. Beast Machines Blackarachnia. That's one hell of a figure. It's such a great looking spider it actually scared the hell out of somebody I know who walked up on it in a dark room not knowing what it was. The robot mode's fingers are great for hanging the spider from places, it was on my lampshade at the time.
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