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 Posted: Sat Nov 20, 2010 4:03 pm
My friend works for the TSA and he's a normal human being just like you or I. Anyone with any job has the potential to abuse their 'power', but that doesn't mean that you should generalize. That's like saying that all truthers are just crackpot conspiracy theorists, or that all conspiracy theorists are crackpots.
@Saka: I think what you and other people fail to realize is that when you're going up on a plane, once you're on there if something goes wrong you're pretty much on your own. No one can help you. So if someone brings even a weapon like a knife on board, they could just start stabbing people until (or if) neutralized. And with things like a bomb, the whole damn plane could be blown up. No one has a gun to your head to take a plane, and taking a plane is not a right. You do have the right to move freely across the land, but certain things like flying and even driving cars are privileges. You can always go on a ship or car or bus. Even in the ocean someone could come help with another boat if there was anything wrong, but you can't do that in the sky. I know it may seem crazy, but you need to look at it in terms of your own safety. Would you rather be thoroughly searched, or have the danger that someone slipped something on the plane and you could be killed?
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Posted: Sat Nov 20, 2010 6:46 pm
true, but the guy went to leave, and decided to not go on the flight, even through they couldn't refund his money. And yet they still were trying to bully him into using them after he went to leave the airport(not via plane either). :/ anyway, my boyfriend just linked me this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GDOdDmRBAzE&feature=player_embedded
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Posted: Sat Nov 20, 2010 11:19 pm
Again, air travel is not a right and you do not have to take a plane to where you want to go. If someone was to get a bomb or other weapon on a plane people would be bitching that the TSA didn't do their job well enough. They are in a difficult position.
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Posted: Sun Nov 21, 2010 4:29 am
Sakakikala true, but the guy went to leave, and decided to not go on the flight, even through they couldn't refund his money. And yet they still were trying to bully him into using them after he went to leave the airport(not via plane either). :/ anyway, my boyfriend just linked me this ]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GDOdDmRBAzE&feature=player_embedded
Common knowledge: they almost never refund your money. The most they will do is give you a free bag check or something like that.
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Posted: Sun Nov 21, 2010 9:01 am
True, but either way, they were keeping his money, and they still wanted to fine him... Pretty nutes. :/
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Posted: Sun Nov 21, 2010 3:00 pm
yea that's crazy saka! for the people who say "flying on a plane is not a right, it's a privilege" when you buy a ticket you have paid for a service (usually non-refundable), shouldn't it be a right that the service be rendered without hassles? furthermore, it's the government that conducts the screenings, rather than the airplane companies themselves. you didn't pay a ticket for that, although it was taken out of your tax dollars.Unfortunately it seems the problems stems from the airspace being government owned, thus they have to protect it. I'd really like to see screening matters put into the hands of the airlines, some might be nicer to travel with than others, and if a hijacking occurs the airline will take blame and probably become bankrupt. The way they treat us through screening REALLY reminds me of how the Jews were treated. When we cross through the checkpoint we have no rights or liberties at all. We're treated as cattle or sheep, herded through, poked and prodded, humiliated with no respect or attempts at understanding. You know how people always wonder HOW could the Nazi's have been so cruel? Well this is exactly how. Almost ANYONE can get a job as a TSA worker. Seems to me they often choose the toughest macho "power tripping" type of people (no shy whimpy people with thin skin), not just for TSA but for customs too. These people ARE just average people, but with POWER that they can abuse every minute they work and get paid for it. If something happens, the fault lies with their authorities, so they are very carefree. The Nazi's evil deeds are just the worst examples, America could be right there with them if we didn't have laws against rape and murder. Damn I can't find the thread I created (here it is http://www.gaiaonline.com/guilds/viewtopic.php?t=18606993) about this with videos included... and I can't remember what the experiment was called. Anyways, ever seen the psychological test where a person is told they are conducting a test and it was their job to electrocute the man in the other room for every wrong answer, each time increasing the voltage until death. and most people would do it, all the way to the death button, because they felt the fault would lie in the hands of the person conducting the test and that they wouldn't get in trouble for it. The whole time they could hear the cries of pain and demanding of the test being stopped by the person getting electrocuted (although it was all recorded playback and no one was actually getting hurt). very very few people decided to stop the test before the death button.
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Posted: Sun Nov 21, 2010 6:59 pm
TrutherMei yea that's crazy saka! for the people who say "flying on a plane is not a right, it's a privilege" when you buy a ticket you have paid for a service (usually non-refundable), shouldn't it be a right that the service be rendered without hassles? furthermore, it's the government that conducts the screenings, rather than the airplane companies themselves. you didn't pay a ticket for that, although it was taken out of your tax dollars.Unfortunately it seems the problems stems from the airspace being government owned, thus they have to protect it. I'd really like to see screening matters put into the hands of the airlines, some might be nicer to travel with than others, and if a hijacking occurs the airline will take blame and probably become bankrupt. The way they treat us through screening REALLY reminds me of how the Jews were treated. When we cross through the checkpoint we have no rights or liberties at all. We're treated as cattle or sheep, herded through, poked and prodded, humiliated with no respect or attempts at understanding. You know how people always wonder HOW could the Nazi's have been so cruel? Well this is exactly how. Almost ANYONE can get a job as a TSA worker. Seems to me they often choose the toughest macho "power tripping" type of people (no shy whimpy people with thin skin), not just for TSA but for customs too. These people ARE just average people, but with POWER that they can abuse every minute they work and get paid for it. If something happens, the fault lies with their authorities, so they are very carefree. The Nazi's evil deeds are just the worst examples, America could be right there with them if we didn't have laws against rape and murder. The problem with this is that the Department of Homeland Security has been tasked to keep air traffic safe (through the Transportation Safety Administration). Allowing the airlines to come up with their own procedures is reckless because they'll do whatever it takes to use the cheapest and quickest procedures, causing safety to suffer. For every "power-tripping" TSA employee there are several a*****e passengers that think they are the King of Dubai and refuse to do something as simple as removing their hoodie. It's little wonder why some TSA employees are so callous. It's the same with people that work retail. Do you think that cashier is always mean to everyone? Do you think it might have anything to do with a*****e customers coming in and treating them like s**t? It's the same principle except that in the case of the TSA they are protecting lives. One gun, one knife, or one bomb and hundreds of people could die. You don't have to fly, but if you want to then you're going to have to submit to the necessary procedures. Most airports don't even have the full-body scanners; just go through the metal detectors and get on your plane. If you're selected for more thorough screening then you have rights to request certain things, which the head of the TSA has stated in a PSA I saw on the news earlier. Things like requesting that the pat-down be done in a private room and requesting that it be witnessed by a person of your choice. This is the price you have to pay for safe air travel. Just be glad you don't have to do the same for buses and boats.
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Posted: Mon Nov 22, 2010 6:36 am
TrutherMei Damn I can't find the thread I created about this with videos included... and I can't remember what the experiment was called. Anyways, ever seen the psychological test where a person is told they are conducting a test and it was their job to electrocute the man in the other room for every wrong answer, each time increasing the voltage until death. and most people would do it, all the way to the death button, because they felt the fault would lie in the hands of the person conducting the test and that they wouldn't get in trouble for it. The whole time they could hear the cries of pain and demanding of the test being stopped by the person getting electrocuted (although it was all recorded playback and no one was actually getting hurt). very very few people decided to stop the test before the death button. Not quite true. There were a couple of different tests they did in this expriment, and each trial produced a significantly different result. If the person being 'shocked' was in the same room as the person administering the shocks, then the willingness to continue all the way to the end of the experiment was significantly reduced. If the person administering the shocks couldn't see the person being shocked, then they didn't argue, and complied with the scientist conducting the experiment. There's a lot of depth to this experiment, trying to generalize one result to the entire breadth of the experiment is faulty science, any psych/science major could tell you...
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Posted: Mon Nov 22, 2010 1:13 pm
Kyramud TrutherMei Damn I can't find the thread I created about this with videos included... and I can't remember what the experiment was called. Anyways, ever seen the psychological test where a person is told they are conducting a test and it was their job to electrocute the man in the other room for every wrong answer, each time increasing the voltage until death. and most people would do it, all the way to the death button, because they felt the fault would lie in the hands of the person conducting the test and that they wouldn't get in trouble for it. The whole time they could hear the cries of pain and demanding of the test being stopped by the person getting electrocuted (although it was all recorded playback and no one was actually getting hurt). very very few people decided to stop the test before the death button. Not quite true. There were a couple of different tests they did in this expriment, and each trial produced a significantly different result. If the person being 'shocked' was in the same room as the person administering the shocks, then the willingness to continue all the way to the end of the experiment was significantly reduced. If the person administering the shocks couldn't see the person being shocked, then they didn't argue, and complied with the scientist conducting the experiment. There's a lot of depth to this experiment, trying to generalize one result to the entire breadth of the experiment is faulty science, any psych/science major could tell you... oh really, I've never seen or heard anything about the experiment being done with both people in the same room. i watched the original old test and the newer one after 2000. i don't quite understand how it would work with them in the same room if they are just using a voice recording. but if that's true its very interesting to know being so close to the victim would stop more people from continuing.
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Posted: Mon Nov 22, 2010 8:55 pm
TrutherMei Kyramud TrutherMei Damn I can't find the thread I created about this with videos included... and I can't remember what the experiment was called. Anyways, ever seen the psychological test where a person is told they are conducting a test and it was their job to electrocute the man in the other room for every wrong answer, each time increasing the voltage until death. and most people would do it, all the way to the death button, because they felt the fault would lie in the hands of the person conducting the test and that they wouldn't get in trouble for it. The whole time they could hear the cries of pain and demanding of the test being stopped by the person getting electrocuted (although it was all recorded playback and no one was actually getting hurt). very very few people decided to stop the test before the death button. Not quite true. There were a couple of different tests they did in this expriment, and each trial produced a significantly different result. If the person being 'shocked' was in the same room as the person administering the shocks, then the willingness to continue all the way to the end of the experiment was significantly reduced. If the person administering the shocks couldn't see the person being shocked, then they didn't argue, and complied with the scientist conducting the experiment. There's a lot of depth to this experiment, trying to generalize one result to the entire breadth of the experiment is faulty science, any psych/science major could tell you... oh really, I've never seen or heard anything about the experiment being done with both people in the same room. i watched the original old test and the newer one after 2000. i don't quite understand how it would work with them in the same room if they are just using a voice recording. but if that's true its very interesting to know being so close to the victim would stop more people from continuing. It's not so much the authority in play as it is the disconnection between "button" and "causing pain to a human being." Going back to the Nazi example, very few people (by comparison) were actually involved with exterminating people. New Scientist did an article about the full-body scanners you guys might be interested in. Full-body scanners: we reveal all
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Posted: Fri Nov 26, 2010 2:38 am
I rather not be touched by someone who just touched another persons crotch.
Do you see them removing gloves between each one?
:S
ew
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Posted: Fri Nov 26, 2010 5:12 pm
i didn't even think about that ammaea >.< /cringe lol
mercola's newest article on the subject
http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2010/11/26/movement-grows-for-halt-of-fullbody-airport-scanners.aspx
He has a section that says:
Need to Fly? Submit to Humiliation or Face $11,000 Fine
Making matters even worse, not to mention bizarre, once you're at the security check, there's no turning back; you have no choice but to submit to either, or both, of the new and enhanced security techniques, according to the TSA.
"The Transportation Security Administration (TSA) is warning that any would-be commercial airline passenger who enters an airport checkpoint and then refuses to undergo the method of inspection designated by TSA will not be allowed to fly and also will not be permitted to simply leave the airport," the Sun Sentinel reports.
"That person will have to remain on the premises to be questioned by the TSA and possibly by local law enforcement. Anyone refusing faces fines up to $11,000 and possible arrest."
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Posted: Fri Nov 26, 2010 5:19 pm
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Posted: Fri Nov 26, 2010 10:22 pm
i think they actually want to repeat 9/11, or just outrage the U.S. citizens for doing absolutly nothing so they can blame basically an entire nation as an excuse to keep fighting this war. plus if usa gets in a war against any of the countries like china russia or north korea we would meet an end and will be pushed to the edge where we HAVE to start a nuclear war which is exactly wut the government wants, risks people lives in order to solve a conflict that has lost its meaning. i am saying so many things about different topics that i dont understand wut i am saying. just the entire situation scream outrages me because the nation is divided by two partys that just want power over the U.S. but dont do anything about the war but just make it worse stressed , bush made the war worse and obama is good enough to hold back the war from advancing to nuclear warfare
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Posted: Fri Nov 26, 2010 11:03 pm
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