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Princess Elysion Serenity
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 Posted: Sun Nov 14, 2010 12:34 am
RS Sailor Blue Princess Elysion Serenity scream Oh my Garnet!! Is this really happening?? I read online once that Toei Animation were spooty, an' that they even tried to change Grandma's show, but this is insane. Now they want to attack fans of my Grandma's show??? And OMG Have you seen all the rip-off shows they produce that look so much like Sailor Senshi? *Ahem* Pretty Cure? Do Re Mi? Oh my garnet. @Emo Mama : That series you wanna get has a character that looks like you! But um.. with pink hair. Joo can't backhand me! I'm a Moon Princess. So there. xp Nyah. And another thing, those two shows I mentioned came on AFTER Grandma's show went off the air. Original Magical Girl anime like Princess Knight, Twin Knight, Rose of Versalliesuszeses, they were all original. And they came out before Sailormoon, so I don't count them. Sailormoon was different, like Sentai but cooler! Ever sicne then, Toei's tried to remake it, but with different characters. They all have the same bows, same hair, Tokyo Mew Mew even has some of Mama's weapons in it!! *COUGHIchigoCOUGH* Pretty Cure and Mermaid Melody are blatant rip-offs but with overtly dramatic stories. So I'm well within my right to have my opinion. Bleh. xp
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Posted: Sun Nov 14, 2010 3:31 am
*Stands up proudly, bearing my fuku and meatball head* I AM A RIP OFF OF SAILOR MOON!
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Posted: Sun Nov 14, 2010 1:42 pm
Seriously guys, you need to shut up about people ripping off Sailor Moon. Everyone rips off something in this day of age. For an example. Disney ripped off the Japanese version of Lion King. Do you guys b***h about that? No. What about all the Sentai or Tokusatsu shows on Japan? Do you guys go out and say "Hey! They ripped of Power Rangers." No, so don't go saying everyone ripped of Sailor Moon. Magical Girl stuff been out before Naoko created Code V and Sailor Moon. All magical girls flicks have girls with super powers and yadda yadda. Hairstyles? Odagos been around, just just popular in Anime for some reason. Pink hair is also popular in Anime as well. ChibiUsa wasn't the first and only character with pink hair in pigtails.
Companies have the right to pull their shows off steaming sites if they want to regardless what others say. Watching stuff for free is ok if you can't get here in NA, but just remember, companies especially those who bought rights and have to pay staff in order to dub YOUR favorite shows is costing them big time. I seen a documentary about this, and already few companies had to close down because of people streaming stuff on the net. If you truly a fan of that anime, go buy the damn DVD and you don't have to worry about it being taken off or crappy quality. Even it costs you your pay check,. You will feel good you are supporting the company to make more DVDs and not watching free while that company is on a verge of closure.
Like I said, Toei has every right to pull their shows off of Youtube whether you like or not. There is other places besides Youtube you know >.>
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Posted: Sun Nov 14, 2010 2:50 pm
Unfortunately, the boxsets are ridiculously expensive, and that seems to be the only way to get subbed seasons 1 and 2. $200 is a bit much for me, as I am a poor, unemployed college student with loans to pay off.
Now if I get myself a nice, paying job, surely I will save up to buy a boxset.
Perhaps you might tell us what other places to look? I don't know of any other sites.
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qweqweqweqweqweqwweq Captain
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Posted: Sun Nov 14, 2010 3:17 pm
Exported DVDs are sadly to say are expensive, specially if they are R2. I wanted to by the live action DVDs, but 70$ for a single DVD is pricey. But I do want to own it one day.
I don't know on places to buy them Hou, but I think they are about the same price.
YesAsia
CDJapan
There is Amazon.JP, but I don't think they ship to the US.
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Posted: Sun Nov 14, 2010 4:11 pm
Oh, I meant places to watch other than Youtube. ^^;
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Posted: Sun Nov 14, 2010 5:14 pm
Princess Elysion Serenity RS Sailor Blue Princess Elysion Serenity scream Oh my Garnet!! Is this really happening?? I read online once that Toei Animation were spooty, an' that they even tried to change Grandma's show, but this is insane. Now they want to attack fans of my Grandma's show??? And OMG Have you seen all the rip-off shows they produce that look so much like Sailor Senshi? *Ahem* Pretty Cure? Do Re Mi? Oh my garnet. @Emo Mama : That series you wanna get has a character that looks like you! But um.. with pink hair. Joo can't backhand me! I'm a Moon Princess. So there. xp Nyah. And another thing, those two shows I mentioned came on AFTER Grandma's show went off the air. Original Magical Girl anime like Princess Knight, Twin Knight, Rose of Versalliesuszeses, they were all original. And they came out before Sailormoon, so I don't count them. Sailormoon was different, like Sentai but cooler! Ever since then, Toei's tried to remake it, but with different characters. They all have the same bows, same hair, Tokyo Mew Mew even has some of Mama's weapons in it!! *COUGHIchigoCOUGH* Pretty Cure and Mermaid Melody are blatant rip-offs but with overtly dramatic stories. So I'm well within my right to have my opinion. Bleh. xp *backhands* What was that? So, you're telling me that no other character is allowed to have pigtails, odangos, short hair, long hair, ponytails, long hair with bows, wavy hair, a bun, or a bob cut because that would be stealing from Sailor Moon? That all those other characters should go bald? And the bows are because they are magical school girls! And in Japan, school girls usually wear seifuku. Sailor Moon's outfit is based off of seifuku. The rest of these shows also have seifuku, but it is completely different from Sailor Moon! And their weapons are not exactly the same! If you can say that all other magical girl shows stole from Sailor Moon, than I can say that Sailor Moon stole from Sally the Witch, because Sally was a princess who tries to keep her powers a secret. Or that they stole the idea of transformations from Cutie Honey! And half these shows can't be compared to Sailor Moon. Tokyo Mew Mew is about 5 girls who become fused with the DNA of an endangered species. They transform into Mew Mews and fight monsters who try to destroy nature. Their outfits are all completely different. they each have a weapon. Ichigo's boyfriend is secretly a magical boy AND is also the "boss" villain of the series. Ojamajo Doremi is about a girl who discovers that a woman is a witch, and the woman becomes a magical frog. In order to turn her back, she must become a witch as well. Her 2 friends also become witches. Another girls joins them. They have to raise a baby who is to be the next queen of the witch world. An American girl joins who can't speak Japanese when she isn't transformed. Their powers aren't used for fighting, but for helping others and learning to become full witches. How does that sound like Sailor Moon? Are the Sailor Senshi half-human half-animal? Nope! Are the Sailor Senshi witches who raise a baby and learn to become full witches? Nope! And just so you know, I can have this argument for as long as I live and I will not give in.
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Posted: Sun Nov 14, 2010 5:36 pm
I think you need to calm down and not get so worked up over other people's opinions.
Sailor Moon's popularity tends to lead to varied views and comparisons to other anime, in that genre or otherwise. If someone says "lol they're copying off of Sailor Moon!" that's no reason to get THIS upset about it o__o
If you don't think the same way as other people then please don't yell and cause problems. As fans we all have the right to form our own opinions on the subject.
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Posted: Mon Nov 15, 2010 12:25 am
I hope I don't make anyone too angry about what I'm about to say, but I'd like to give my opinion on this as well.
I personally think that amvs, clips, and things like Sailor Moon Abridged is stealing (in the sense that it is taken without permission, but not in the sense that you are making money off of it). However, I rarely come across a video that does not give the name of the company that origanlly made the show. And I agree with you Sailor Earth, that the world has changed greatly since the show ended. We live in an age where not only are there sites like youtube and facebook, but the technology to create vids or take clips from them is readily available. I have had this discussion with my husband before. If they really want people to stop taking things like music or video clips then they should stop selling the technology that allows them to do so.
If I ever become the artist/writer I want to be someday, I will reserve the rights to use my work for fan based stuff for my fans. As long as they don't try to sell my stuff to other people or take credit for my work then I would have no problem with things like youtube.
Companies today need to consider what sites like youtube can do for them. If Toei wants people to purchace their goods then they need to make them cheaper and more available to the people. And as long as they get credited for their work, they really shouldn't get all up in a knot about it. I know a lot of people watch the videos on youtube, but I also know that if a good, affordable, officially released dvd/bluray version came out on the shelves people would be rushing to the stores to pick them up. I try to NEVER buy bootleg copies of anything (I even buy all the manga I read) because I want to support the company and the artists that created them. But when a company dangles goods out of peoples' hands just bacause they want to milk something, it's doing an injustice to the fans and to themselves.
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Posted: Mon Nov 15, 2010 12:46 am
I am the Titan Senshi of Stars and Destiny! Protector of the innocent!
And invincible! SAILOR CRONUS!!
I'm completely in agreement with Lily and Blue. It's sometimes difficult to understand where you stand in fan-created stories (which are generally allowable), but as far as displaying original content, such as videos on YouTube, that's a lot easier to find the answer for. It IS illegal, and it IS stealing. And YouTube and these new technologies ARE blurring the line between right and wrong, to some extent, BUT-- they do still usually come with warnings on copyrighted material.
I think, however, that if they are going to be this protective their products they need to do one of two things:
1. Pay attention to WHY people are copying and redistributing online. If the reason is because such things as Sailor Moon anime ARE NOT READILY AVAILABLE to their own TARGET CUSTOMERS, then they need to consider how to make it more easily available. Expensive they may be to make, but I'm sure they'll benefit greatly if they make cheaper-version DVDs and distribute them widely, so we can buy more DVDs for less money (and just put "special extras" such as textless openings/ character notes/ director commentary, etc. in higher-priced, special edition DVDs.)
2. ... >.>;
I took so long typing the first thing, I lost track of what I was gonna say next. Yeah. >.< Sorry.
Anyway, the point is, people need to have more respect for the property of others, including intellectual property. And while Toei is well within their rights to shut down these YouTube videos, they really ought to pay attention to what their viewers want, as they will benefit greatly from it.
Enemies beware-- for your fate is sealed!
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Princess Elysion Serenity
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Posted: Tue Nov 16, 2010 12:19 am
Are Tribute videos BAD then? Does that mean that if I post an AMV celebrating the work Toei has done that I'm a thief?
Maybe the thanks Toei's looking for is NO thanks.
An' Houou-sama is right. $200 for a reprint of the old 2004 DVDs? Not cool. Most boxsets aren't anymore 'spensive than $20-40. An' in this economy? OH MY GARNET that's asking too much.
Don't AMV's count as freedom of speech?
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Posted: Tue Nov 16, 2010 2:05 pm
Remember you are looking at export/foriegn items which is bound to be expensive no matter how you look a it. Buying anything out of print etc is going to be pricey since they are hard to come by.
But I agree what others said. This day of age, people rather spend 0$ and download things illegally or watch them on websites then spending few bucks to support artists and industries that put out this DVD for people enjoy. Everyone is going through tough times in this economic downfall, but doing something illegally by downloading torrents for AMV clips is not worth it if you get caught in the end. Whining about how you can;t affiord DVD "cause they are expensive" Yes I can see why, but YOU are supporting not only the company, but Naoko as well. If someone wants something bad enough. They find ways to obtain them by asking them for gifts, saving up, etc. I don't have a job myself, but I find ways to buy things I love that are expensive then those DVDs box sets.
Companies HAVE rights to do whatever they want even it they demand you to take you AMVs off of places like Youtube. People need to understand the word "copyright" because you created something using copyrighted images or music doesn't mean its YOUR creation. Yes you created the scenes to go with the music, but you did not CREATE the music, nor the clips used in your AMV. Problem with people these days, they don't respect other artists works they used by not crediting them properly. Maybe if people credit things properly, maybe places like Toei wouldn't mind AMVs. Until then, they have all the rights to remove contents as they please and people need to stop whining about it.
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Posted: Tue Nov 16, 2010 2:33 pm
Princess Elysion Serenity Are Tribute videos BAD then? Does that mean that if I post an AMV celebrating the work Toei has done that I'm a thief? Maybe the thanks Toei's looking for is NO thanks. An' Houou-sama is right. $200 for a reprint of the old 2004 DVDs? Not cool. Most boxsets aren't anymore 'spensive than $20-40. An' in this economy? OH MY GARNET that's asking too much. Don't AMV's count as freedom of speech? It does mean that you have taken something that isn't yours without permission and made something else out of it. For example, if you walk into a store and take bananas, ice cream, syrup and cherries without paying for them, then go home and make a banana split for all your friends to enjoy you are still obtaining them for nothing (whether or not something good came out of it). And something that a lot of people won't admit is that when you take something like anime clips and music and re post them for free, you are actually causing the prices of the official items to be raised, because now the company has to make up for the fact that millions of people are obtaining the goods without proper payment. And sorry but no, amvs are not protected under freedom of speech. Being able to say what you want doesn't mean you can do what you want withought consequences. Look, I like amvs too and I think some things are really well done and nice to look at. But if the proper owner of a certain material tells you it is not ok to copy their stuff then you need to respect them by taking it down and not doing it anymore. But as I said in my original post, I would think that companies in today's world would reconsider and look at what good things can come out of free advertising and offering their goods at a lower price.
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Posted: Tue Nov 16, 2010 7:34 pm
Serene is right. For an example look what happen to the music industries and Napa issues back in the 90's. People where downloading songs for free while the music industries especially the artist where getting hurt by it. Since then they drop prices for CDs so people can afford buying them to support their favorite artist and the music industries. And there is places like itunes were you can pay like 99 cents for one song you like instead of paying 14$ for a CD for one song. I'm not saying it 100% fixed the problem with piracy, but they try to make it affordable for people to buy music legally instead of pirating. If companies like FunAnimation and Toei look at the picture and see the crises of people pirating anime from torrents or watching them from streaming site, they might do something to make it were people can afford to support the anime industries. Obtaining rights to anime is not cheap, nor paying voice actors.
And Princess Elysion Serenity, I seen box sets for for more then 40$. Remember those DVD box sets are from Japan. Japanese economy is different then American economy.
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qweqweqweqweqweqwweq Captain
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Posted: Tue Nov 16, 2010 7:52 pm
This is apparently a girl's fight. As a Saint, I"m going to stay out of this, even though I'm a kinly being to Sailor Moon.
I rest my case.
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