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 Posted: Tue Oct 12, 2010 7:13 pm
Raimundo vi Britannia Believe what you wish, but Elves Are Immortal. As for their Shape Changing? no, they aren't shapeshifters. They use magic to influence their Body. Things like, Grow Hair here, change Eye color, and some can go as far as things like give themselves gills, change legs into fins. All it is is reshaping the body. But like I said, they must retain their original mass. Sorry, Fantasy is my thing. Amongst being a druid, I study Fantasy. I am writing my own book on it, to be placed amongst great writers like Christopher Paolini and J.R.R. Tolkien. You just need to read a book sometime. These aren't fake facts. I didn't make them up.
Fantasy can be anyone's thing, fantasy means: 'Imagination'. So to find facts(made up) set by someone is a lot easier than finding actual facts which may be withheld. I can go on any site, such as 'wikipedia, dndwikia, lotr.wikia' and find facts about their 'fictional religions/cities/races/physics', anything I want. Which I would then be a Professional with it.
I know, you have said you were a druid in real life in another post, as well said that druids are amongst the most powerful races. However 'Druid' is not a race, it is a person who is of a certain religion, anyone who believes, practices, and worships based on Druidism is a 'Druid'.
As well, great for you. It's all still fantasy that anyone can make; most people make up things;like races, religions, etc. all the time. I could make a race of elves that were horribly retarded, died rapidly, and kept as slaves to humans, and make a book about it, and if it for some unknown reason became insanely popular, then BAM elves are usually retarded, die rapidly, and are kept as slaves to humans.
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Posted: Tue Oct 12, 2010 7:18 pm
I have to agree. Arwen was doomed to die in the Lord of the Rings. Elves have their equal weaknesses. They can live forever if they weren't killed.
What you're talking about with shape-shifters are regular shifters. Those are coyotes, skin-walkers, werewolves and werecats. Even mermaids could count under that.
I'm sorry, but, to be like Tolkien you would have to do a lot more then write a book. That man was a genius. I took a collage class to learn how much of a genius he was.
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Posted: Tue Oct 12, 2010 7:30 pm
Yah, saying druid was a race would be like Christianity is a race.
I have read that elves live from 500-2000(At the max); which is not immortal last time i checked. This is one depiction so it does depend on the story but still, Immortal for a common race like elves is a little insane.
((Just saying, your post is not that great for such a Amazing writer like yourself, WOW writing has really gone downhill.))
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Posted: Tue Oct 12, 2010 7:50 pm
WOW ya'll are so awesome with all this input ... now to decipher what the standards are for given races amongst us all to be put in the first post as a general guideline of differences between similar races.
though the immortal elf thing begs to question if vampires are actually immortal as well because of the whole being slain thing ... shinigami's are definatly immortal as they are a representation of death ... but other than that nothing is truely immortal if you thinks about it. ... though I think Lilith would be immortal .. deafeated throughout time but she always comes back like the phoenix ... >.> ... must dechipher what immortality really envelopes in order to properly determine base line there
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Posted: Tue Oct 12, 2010 7:54 pm
If Lilith is immortal than so would her spawn of incubus and succubus.
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Posted: Tue Oct 12, 2010 8:40 pm
yes and no ... Lilith is viewed as a goddess in most cultures around the world ... some say her children are vampires others say succubus and incubus are her children ... she herself was the original seductress ... like a sluttier version of Aphrodite/Venus ... least the things I read are.
Lilith is actually one of those goddesses I actually like too ... said in some cultures to be a/the goddess of death ... and by that she could also be seen as Persephone(Hades' wife) ... and in keeping with that her children would more than likely have been made with a mortal father
Also on the elf thing ... the oldest stories of elves that I could find placed them as being Fairies without wings ... and no bigger than your thumb ... Thumbelina also seems to be a story of a lone elf that was granted fairy-ship upon marriage to the royal family. Elves have been changed so drastically over the years and viewed in various different ways ... one thing stay true for them in all stories though ... they all have pointed ears and do things outside the boundaries of human abilities ... in all actuality the decision for races to be immortal or not falls on the person that started/created the role playing setting to begin with.
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Posted: Tue Oct 12, 2010 8:46 pm
Well if you go into Christian and Judaism view Lilith was the first wife of Adam. From there of course spawns the stories of her being the mother of the incubus and succubi.
As for the elves. Maybe that too was something that Tolkien did. He was the one who made them into a tall, beautiful, creature.
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Posted: Tue Oct 12, 2010 8:57 pm
I do remember the story of Lilith being Adam's first wife ... the one that didn't share the apple actually I don't know why she was so evil because I don't think she ever ate any forbidden fruit either ... >.>
I believe the tall elves are defiantly Tolkien however in dnd the elves are tall but shorter than a human usually by an average of half a foot the smallest race in d&d are called pixies I do believe ... they are like the size of a human's hand or something like that but the pixies there are just balls of light with for some reason 4 wings protruding from the light
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Posted: Tue Oct 12, 2010 9:00 pm
Good point. I don't think she ate the apple too.
I haven't played too much DnD. Though my first character was an elf scout. Then it went to human cleric.
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Posted: Thu Oct 14, 2010 7:04 pm
We have to do Fairy vs. Pixie.
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Posted: Tue Oct 19, 2010 10:56 pm
I really do wish I knew the difference between the two of those races, however when I think pixie I think orb or glowing light with wings protruding and when I think fairy I think of Tinkerbell and in the movie hook Tink had the ability to make herself human sized. So I'm pretty sure that pixies glow pretty much all the time and that fairies have the ability to become human sized ... other that that I have no differences in mind.
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Posted: Wed Oct 20, 2010 1:23 am
Well, I don't know if this is of much help. But I was reading on wikipedia about them; I do that with a lot of things, go look up a well known source of information.
'Fairies are generally described as human in appearance and having magical powers. Their origins are less clear in the folklore, being variously dead, or some form of demon, or a species completely independent of humans or angels.
~another section of the wikipedia page~
Although in modern culture they are often depicted as young, sometimes winged, humanoids of small stature, they originally were depicted much differently: tall, radiant, angelic beings or short, wizened trolls being some of the commonly mentioned. Diminutive fairies of one kind or another have been recorded for centuries, but occur alongside the human-sized beings; these have been depicted as ranging in size from very tiny up to the size of a human child.[9] Even with these small fairies, however, their small size may be magically assumed rather than constant'
There's a lot more that I found out, but didn't make the post oversized with. So here's the link Fairies!
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Posted: Wed Oct 20, 2010 6:04 am
So originally there were no size issues with fairies.
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Posted: Wed Oct 20, 2010 7:22 am
Oh gosh where to begin...
Elves are my people for one (in fact through high school I was simply referred to as 'Elf', even by my teachers. That being said, I'm not a nutter, lol.) But In the Tolkien universe, some races of Elves are shorter, the High Elves grew with their haughtiness. As for D&D, Sylvan Elves are actually on average over 5'5 which would place them taller than most female humans.
Also, an aspect of Elves no one has mentioned yet is their degree of spite and trickery. Elves are generally feared and if encountered in the wood would kill anyone before asking why you were there. I want to say it actually spawns from Norse legends, maybe Irish, of people in the woods that threw extravagant parties and lost travelers who came upon their feast and were brutally murdered.
Going on, there are also the elves in the Warhammer Fantasy universe. All the Elves originally resided on one large island but as Chaos (the influence of the Chaos Gods) infected their homeland they moved across the sea to the human/dwarf/skaven(rat people)/orc/etc lands. Some settled in a forest and became bound to it, thus they became Wood Elves. Others were tempted by Chaos and became the Dark Elves. Still some yet returned to their homeland and became essentially High Elves, and so on. No sect is immortal, in fact most die in battle anyway (If you're old in that universe you hid in a box all your life, lol.) Oh, and Wood Elves steal human babies... er, if a human child shows inclinations of magic, the Elves will steal the child and replace it with a changeling to rear the human kid in the proper ways or kill it. (Magic is extremely dangerous in Warhammer, if you miss-cast, anything from nothing to summoning an Chaos Lord could happen.) But as far as Elves and magic, there are different types and for the most part no one uses them. Some Wood Elves have Wild Magic which is just what it sounds like and draws upon the energies of nature... I'm not too well versed in Warhammer just yet but I'll get back to you with more later...
Branching off (and so far failing to draw any real conclusions), I wanted to touch on the topic of Half-Elves. I saw we had one in the guild and got quite mad, really, at the history and way the character was played. In no lore have I ever heard of a half-elf being taken in or accepted by Elves. The fair races are far too proud to allow tainted creatures in their cities. In a few instances human cities won't kick them out but still view them with general disdain. Does anyone know of a source that disproves this?
Lastly (hopefully), I wanted to point out the Elves smithing abilities. Yes, dwarves are incredible craftsmen and are the go-to race for weaponry, but Elves are master crafters as well. Just look at LOTR, all the special blades mentioned and used throughout the books are all Elven made. I'm not saying they're better than dwarves, just wanted to mention they were good at it too.
Ok just one more... What about Gnomes!?! My view of them comes from the Dragonlance series, that they're great engineers and tinkerers that have names that span pages and that they never stop talking. They're the inventor race. Any other takes?
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Posted: Wed Oct 20, 2010 9:32 am
Elves and other such beings are made up. Saying that they are true facts is utter...Make it lighter, "crap." It makes no logic. First I doubt druid is a race. In games I've seen, it's a class not a race. There are druids in real life but it's a pratice like others have said.
Elves can be different from person to person. I mean I created my own version of Hell to be a sister realm of Earth. The difference are that it's very warm and has a lot of volcanos. The sky is quite dark with large peeks of bright sun light in certain places.
To most that seems like utter crap. To most it would look like a place with burning flames and tortue. The point is neither one is true. A version of anything that is fantasy is not true and everyone can have their own version regradeless because of it.
My version of elves are not that different to yours in that they live a long time compaired to other races but they are not immortal. My version can live up to around 2000 years although the oldest one (and still alive) has just pasted 3000. These elves however have more dieases exclusive to them than most races alone. This has caused the high studies of cures.
See? You can't prove my version of elves are wrong but I can not prove they're correct either. All that matters is that it makes sense.
@Scytheress And? So what if the character was taken in by elves. Just saying that all elves are proud and cocky was actually quite annoying and too much of a generalisation. I'm half Japanese and British alright. I'm Japanese person, do I eat with chop sticks and eat tons of sushi? No. I'm British do I always drink tea. No. Infact I hate hot traditional tea. Other examples may be that is a book worm always a boring and ugly person? No. Is a women with a huge bust a slut? No. There are the odd ones in every streotype.
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