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 Posted: Tue Oct 12, 2010 7:25 pm
perhaps faith should not be admired. but hope should be.
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Posted: Tue Oct 12, 2010 8:52 pm
If there wasn't reason for my beliefs then I wouldn't have them.
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Posted: Tue Oct 12, 2010 10:17 pm
Arcane_Ninja24 perhaps faith should not be admired. but hope should be. What is hope without faith?
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Posted: Tue Oct 12, 2010 10:18 pm
I have faith in God. I don't see why Faith shouldn't be admired, because when I start to doubt, it feels like my world is losing color: it's depressing. I think people without faith have no idea what they're missing.
As for science and logic, what I'm leaning right now is they aren't the same, and they don't necessarily go hand in hand. Logic doesn't have to be true, it's just a pattern. Science works to invalidate things: it's not about finding truth with science, but just testing to see if observations are correct over and over. It's our best method of predicting results. We practically worship these two things in society, when they're just tools as fallible as anything else.
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Posted: Tue Oct 12, 2010 10:33 pm
xxEverBluexx I have faith in God. I don't see why Faith shouldn't be admired, because when I start to doubt, it feels like my world is losing color: it's depressing. I think people without faith have no idea what they're missing. As for science and logic, what I'm leaning right now is they aren't the same, and they don't necessarily go hand in hand. Logic doesn't have to be true, it's just a pattern. Science works to invalidate things: it's not about finding truth with science, but just testing to see if observations are correct over and over. It's our best method of predicting results. We practically worship these two things in society, when they're just tools as fallible as anything else.You hit the nail on the head right there. I once had a so-called "rational skeptic" tell me (I'm paraphrasing) that we have to assume that logic is infallible. I'm pretty sure I have an aneurysm just waiting to burst after reading that.
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Posted: Wed Oct 13, 2010 12:06 am
Obscurus xxEverBluexx I have faith in God. I don't see why Faith shouldn't be admired, because when I start to doubt, it feels like my world is losing color: it's depressing. I think people without faith have no idea what they're missing. As for science and logic, what I'm leaning right now is they aren't the same, and they don't necessarily go hand in hand. Logic doesn't have to be true, it's just a pattern. Science works to invalidate things: it's not about finding truth with science, but just testing to see if observations are correct over and over. It's our best method of predicting results. We practically worship these two things in society, when they're just tools as fallible as anything else.You hit the nail on the head right there. I once had a so-called "rational skeptic" tell me (I'm paraphrasing) that we have to assume that logic is infallible. I'm pretty sure I have an aneurysm just waiting to burst after reading that.
Lol. I would have too. Seems like he was more of an ignorant skeptic than anything.
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Posted: Wed Oct 13, 2010 12:49 pm
This is getting to be an excellent thread, in my opinion. Thank you all who are taking part. I'm not trying to prove anyone wrong, I'm not trying to start arguments, I'm not trying to get under the skin of beholders, I'm merely just attempting to start conversation on a wide array of "deeper" topics...
It seems correct to say that philosophy has the ability to answer what disciplines are, but what does it mean for science to answer what a discipline is? If science can answer that question then it is overlapping philosophy in such a way that the separation becomes less meaningful by enough to weaken science to a point that needs philosophic justification to balance again. Positivists have tried hopelessly for over a hundred years to separate the two friends, Hawking.. well, he just assumes it.
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Posted: Wed Oct 13, 2010 4:07 pm
Kyramud Arcane_Ninja24 perhaps faith should not be admired. but hope should be. What is hope without faith? win sauce.
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Posted: Thu Oct 14, 2010 2:14 pm
Can you choose all your beliefs? Directly or indirectly? What beliefs can you choose?
Just adding on to the discussion.. XD
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Posted: Thu Oct 14, 2010 8:38 pm
Carcass Of The Saint Can you choose all your beliefs? Directly or indirectly? What beliefs can you choose? Just adding on to the discussion.. XD does believing you can chose your own belief directly, count as a choosing a belief?
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Posted: Thu Oct 14, 2010 9:48 pm
Arcane_Ninja24 Carcass Of The Saint Can you choose all your beliefs? Directly or indirectly? What beliefs can you choose? Just adding on to the discussion.. XD does believing you can chose your own belief directly, count as a choosing a belief? XD I'd say yes, but that's not the path I'd like one to tread with this. Nice loop hole though, heh. sweatdrop I'm saying something like this: Do the events that one would experience through out, lets say 20 years, help one decide, directly and/or indirectly, the beliefs that they actually believe at the end of those 20 years? I would imagine that some part of the decision is more or less subconsciously driven. For instance: I read the text that states God made the Trees. I don't think about it directly as I'm walking through the woods, but in some way, I would either; enjoy it a lot more thinking, indirectly and/or directly, of it as some creation from something omnipotent, or hate it based on the fact that I can't fully understand the concept of an invisible architect. And even then more subsystems of those systems present themselves. I hate knowing what I want to say but it not wanting to make itself fully operational to others... I'm sure that was more confusing than anything. stressed sweatdrop
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Posted: Sun Dec 05, 2010 12:03 pm
Sorgelig Alene We all have faith in something, I literally walk in it because I cannot prove induction, but why should anyone praise faith?? Faith is sold to people by people who can't justify their product, if they could it would be called reason and that is truly praiseworthy. To have faith in reason is only a start and the 'faith' part is not what is admirable, it is when you overcome faith that you have done something. Anyone can say you need faith to believe in any cause they want to put on you. For those who hold to faith as a goal: I would ask why not have faith in some other religion? Their answer would be their REASON and conviction of reason over faith. I hope to find a reason for induction, so I no longer have to walk in faith that world will hold me up. What do you have Faith in? I have faith in myself above all else because only I have the power to loose absolute faith in myself. I choose what and when to have faith in what or why. Nobody has the right to tell me what to have faith in or when to choose to have faith or when to not or when to loose it or cut my threads. So I have faith in myself for I am my own form of faith. "Always faithful" Semper Fidelis I have that tattooed across my upper back.
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Posted: Sun Dec 05, 2010 7:02 pm
occhi-d-oro Sorgelig Alene We all have faith in something, I literally walk in it because I cannot prove induction, but why should anyone praise faith?? Faith is sold to people by people who can't justify their product, if they could it would be called reason and that is truly praiseworthy. To have faith in reason is only a start and the 'faith' part is not what is admirable, it is when you overcome faith that you have done something. Anyone can say you need faith to believe in any cause they want to put on you. For those who hold to faith as a goal: I would ask why not have faith in some other religion? Their answer would be their REASON and conviction of reason over faith. I hope to find a reason for induction, so I no longer have to walk in faith that world will hold me up. What do you have Faith in? I have faith in myself above all else because only I have the power to loose absolute faith in myself. I choose what and when to have faith in what or why. Nobody has the right to tell me what to have faith in or when to choose to have faith or when to not or when to loose it or cut my threads. So I have faith in myself for I am my own form of faith. "Always faithful" Semper Fidelis I have that tattooed across my upper back. Any relation to the US Marine Corps or do you just like the motto?
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Posted: Wed Dec 08, 2010 6:26 am
Jesus said to him, "Do you believe because you see me? How happy are those who believe without seeing me!"
John 20:29
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Posted: Thu Jan 13, 2011 10:47 am
Obscurus occhi-d-oro Sorgelig Alene We all have faith in something, I literally walk in it because I cannot prove induction, but why should anyone praise faith?? Faith is sold to people by people who can't justify their product, if they could it would be called reason and that is truly praiseworthy. To have faith in reason is only a start and the 'faith' part is not what is admirable, it is when you overcome faith that you have done something. Anyone can say you need faith to believe in any cause they want to put on you. For those who hold to faith as a goal: I would ask why not have faith in some other religion? Their answer would be their REASON and conviction of reason over faith. I hope to find a reason for induction, so I no longer have to walk in faith that world will hold me up. What do you have Faith in? I have faith in myself above all else because only I have the power to loose absolute faith in myself. I choose what and when to have faith in what or why. Nobody has the right to tell me what to have faith in or when to choose to have faith or when to not or when to loose it or cut my threads. So I have faith in myself for I am my own form of faith. "Always faithful" Semper Fidelis I have that tattooed across my upper back. Any relation to the US Marine Corps or do you just like the motto? My own and a memoir of someone.
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