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Posted: Fri Sep 24, 2010 10:22 am
The newer dating abbreviations seems much more plebeian. It's as if a few people decided that the Latin abbreviation was just a little too difficult for them to grasp, or somesuch, so they replaced it with some boring English-centric phrase. *sigh*
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Posted: Thu Oct 28, 2010 12:04 pm
Alfred Prufrock The newer dating abbreviations seems much more plebeian. It's as if a few people decided that the Latin abbreviation was just a little too difficult for them to grasp, or somesuch, so they replaced it with some boring English-centric phrase. *sigh* Well considering Anno Domini means "year of the lord", the new abbreviations are not religious. They changed it, or created this one, because of all the people who get offended by it being religious. It doesn't necessarily have to do with the Latin. Although they could have translated it too Latin.
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Posted: Thu Oct 28, 2010 8:02 pm
hmm.. I don't see why it should bother someone if there's no mandate on what the individual should say. I use AD, but when others use CE or BCE it doesn't bug me. o_O; in fact, I would be pissed if there was a mandate, for one or the other, because that's unconstitutional! >.>
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Posted: Sun Nov 28, 2010 6:47 am
If this has been said yet, pardon me. Not all religions believe in Christ, so B.C.E and C.E are used for all people so there's no minor or major conflict. And besides, AD can also mean 'After Death' correct? That was what I was taught in pre-school through 1st grade at my Catholic school.
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Posted: Sun Nov 28, 2010 9:22 am
Shad Woest And besides, AD can also mean 'After Death' correct? That was what I was taught in pre-school through 1st grade at my Catholic school. Then they taught you wrong. AD is never used for After Death because then you have 33 years when Christ was alive being marked as after his death. I know that the western calendar system is not perfect, there is a gap in years when speaking of Christology in History, but to just chop off 33 years out of ignorance is no excuse.... Sorry... I am probably making nothing out of an anthill again, but it does bother me. It also bothers me when college professors mark your grade down because you don't conform to the BCE and CE notations. I wonder what they would do if I started doing like the Japanese do and start dating things according to the people in power of the US... Such as the Obama Era... or the Isenhower Era.... We could actually use the Waring States Era for the time of the Civil War. lol
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Posted: Sun Nov 28, 2010 10:57 am
It's because their ruling system is different than ours.
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Posted: Sun Nov 28, 2010 5:25 pm
Shad Woest It's because their ruling system is different than ours. perhaps pre world war 2. Now, not so much... Eras are defined by length of office for the heads of parliment or the life span of the emperor. That really isn't all that much different than the length of the Presidential office or the reign of the Kennidys in the Senate...
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Posted: Mon Nov 29, 2010 9:32 am
xxEverBluexx ι ¢συℓ∂ ѕтαи∂ нєяє fσя нσυяѕ נυѕт тσ αѕк gσ∂ тнє qυєѕтισи, "ιѕ єνєяуσиє нєяє мαкє-вєℓιєνє؟"
So basically the whole 'Common Era' thing is really starting to bug me. It's not just that I'm Christian, and like the fact the system was based around Christ, though that's part it. It's also that we're whitewashing history. Changing it to 'Common Era' doesn't mean it's not still based around the same historical figure, but I think that's what some people are hoping for by using a new politically correct term. :/ So anyways, opinions? Anyone besides me care whether it's CE verses AD?
ωιтн α тєαя ιи нιѕ νσι¢є, нє ѕαι∂, "ѕσи, тнαт'ѕ тнє qυєѕтισи." ∂σєѕ тнιѕ ∂єαfєиιиg ѕιℓєи¢є мєαи иσтнιиg тσ иσ σиє вυт мє؟
That's a really good point. I got used to using CE and BCE in art history class so it's just second nature to me but now that you mention it it is kind of ridiculous. I'm all for calling things what they are and you're probably right we're just hiding from the fact that our timeline is based around a Christian event, the birth of Christ.
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Posted: Mon Nov 29, 2010 10:08 am
Semiremis xxEverBluexx ι ¢συℓ∂ ѕтαи∂ нєяє fσя нσυяѕ נυѕт тσ αѕк gσ∂ тнє qυєѕтισи, "ιѕ єνєяуσиє нєяє мαкє-вєℓιєνє؟"
So basically the whole 'Common Era' thing is really starting to bug me. It's not just that I'm Christian, and like the fact the system was based around Christ, though that's part it. It's also that we're whitewashing history. Changing it to 'Common Era' doesn't mean it's not still based around the same historical figure, but I think that's what some people are hoping for by using a new politically correct term. :/ So anyways, opinions? Anyone besides me care whether it's CE verses AD?
ωιтн α тєαя ιи нιѕ νσι¢є, нє ѕαι∂, "ѕσи, тнαт'ѕ тнє qυєѕтισи." ∂σєѕ тнιѕ ∂єαfєиιиg ѕιℓєи¢є мєαи иσтнιиg тσ иσ σиє вυт мє؟
That's a really good point. I got used to using CE and BCE in art history class so it's just second nature to me but now that you mention it it is kind of ridiculous. I'm all for calling things what they are and you're probably right we're just hiding from the fact that our timeline is based around a Christian event, the birth of Christ. But there are religions that do not believe Jesus even existed. Then there are others that acknowledge his existance, but he was not important in their history. I guess whoever came up with CE tried to please everyone. Even though it is failing.
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Posted: Mon Nov 29, 2010 11:57 am
And besides, Jesus of Nazareth was born in about the 4th year if you go by B.C.E. :0
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Posted: Tue Nov 30, 2010 8:20 am
I tend to go at things from the perspective of a Historian so I prefer BCE and CE. For me, the BC AD stuff just has no relevance. It's not trying to cut out the history. It's just what it says it is. The Common timescale accepted for general use around most of the world, at least for intereacting with each other. Which is also why they're not bothing to change the actual dating method. It's been in use for so long and is so widely excepted that it's difficult to get people to shift. Sure, you could change year zero to the year the classical Roman Empire effectivly ceased to exist but it would be difficult to get people to use it. Hell, do you know how many people I know who still use the four food groups instead of the food pyramid?
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Posted: Tue Nov 30, 2010 1:02 pm
In my country we don't have AD. Well, sure we have it but it's only called after christ. Many people don't even know that there's something like CE or BCE. But I don't use BC and AD. I found the perfect option xD
Before our time and in this time. It's way shorter in my language, though. xD Like that: v.d.Z. and d.Z.
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Posted: Tue Nov 30, 2010 6:18 pm
I see no issue using either, as the yearly nomenclature of "CE" has been used interchangeably as Christian or Common Era since it's inception (~300+/- years ago.) Seeing as their historical root is the same, its significance is also the same. I would, however, disagree with attempts to secularize the dates. The name system was devised by a Christian monk based on a Christian event, and thus it's what we've followed for the past 1500 years. Secularizing it is ignoring a massive chunk of history, and achieves nothing.
Christ was born. 1 A.D./C.E. (they're the same thing...,) there's nothing to it, so there's nothing bad about keeping it.
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Posted: Tue Nov 30, 2010 7:36 pm
I have to disagree Actn, they are not the same. :0 For if they were there would be no debate about it right now, the reason we're talking about it is because it is different.
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Posted: Tue Nov 30, 2010 11:18 pm
Shad Woest I have to disagree Actn, they are not the same. :0 For if they were there would be no debate about it right now, the reason we're talking about it is because it is different. The historical origins of "Common Era" was used, as said in the aforementioned, interchangeably with Christian Era and Anno Domini. The discussion comes from the misunderstanding that is thinking CE is secular nomenclature. Accordingly, this misunderstanding has caused superfluous contention.
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