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Ellavemia

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 31, 2010 11:23 am


This is Gaia where people are allowed to be as rude as they please, but for this guild it would be nice if we could learn to educate withing berating.

This post was the first by a new member, and if she is anything like most of our new members, it will also be her last. People who join this guild often never post and I'd be willing to bet it's because they feel threatened by some of the very vocal minority.

Live and let live, yes, but don't try and act like every decision you make isn't allowed to come under scrutiny. People will always judge, so just be ready to defend your views in a well-mannered way.
PostPosted: Tue Aug 31, 2010 12:16 pm


Ellavemia
This is Gaia where people are allowed to be as rude as they please, but for this guild it would be nice if we could learn to educate withing berating.

This post was the first by a new member, and if she is anything like most of our new members, it will also be her last. People who join this guild often never post and I'd be willing to bet it's because they feel threatened by some of the very vocal minority.

Live and let live, yes, but don't try and act like every decision you make isn't allowed to come under scrutiny. People will always judge, so just be ready to defend your views in a well-mannered way.


Oh, I'm sorry, did I do something wrong? ;w;

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 31, 2010 12:49 pm


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Ellavemia
This is Gaia where people are allowed to be as rude as they please, but for this guild it would be nice if we could learn to educate withing berating.

This post was the first by a new member, and if she is anything like most of our new members, it will also be her last. People who join this guild often never post and I'd be willing to bet it's because they feel threatened by some of the very vocal minority.

Live and let live, yes, but don't try and act like every decision you make isn't allowed to come under scrutiny. People will always judge, so just be ready to defend your views in a well-mannered way.


Oh, I'm sorry, did I do something wrong? ;w;
No, you just asked a question.
PostPosted: Wed Sep 01, 2010 7:43 pm


Yanueh
As Salvia has pointed out, many OMGILLEGAL!!! substances have been demonized. Many treat alcohol and other substances as if they are the problem, rather than a symptom of the problem.

Just a couple of days ago I was reading an Islamic website that proclaimed Islam to be what the world needs because, among other things, alcohol is forbidden with in Islam, and so if everyone was Islamic that would totally fix alcoholism. Likewise, Christianity is often touted as being able to do the same sort of thing. Such views are naive at best and show a blatant disregard of reality.

I suggest reading Rat Park & Other Children's Stories.

I'm not going to read the link, but it's funny that you mention Islam because that religion allows its followers to ingest caffeine. It's a mind altering substance but somehow, it's not as taboo as smoking or drinking alcohol.

Just putting it out there.

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 03, 2010 1:22 pm


Ellavemia
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This is Gaia where people are allowed to be as rude as they please, but for this guild it would be nice if we could learn to educate withing berating.

This post was the first by a new member, and if she is anything like most of our new members, it will also be her last. People who join this guild often never post and I'd be willing to bet it's because they feel threatened by some of the very vocal minority.

Live and let live, yes, but don't try and act like every decision you make isn't allowed to come under scrutiny. People will always judge, so just be ready to defend your views in a well-mannered way.


Oh, I'm sorry, did I do something wrong? ;w;
No, you just asked a question.


I see your second paragraph and it states that once you make a forum in this guild, most people would just say nothing else. Is that correct? Because I usually tend to reply to many people since I usually have nothing else to do. Is that alright?
PostPosted: Fri Sep 03, 2010 1:39 pm


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This is Gaia where people are allowed to be as rude as they please, but for this guild it would be nice if we could learn to educate withing berating.

This post was the first by a new member, and if she is anything like most of our new members, it will also be her last. People who join this guild often never post and I'd be willing to bet it's because they feel threatened by some of the very vocal minority.

Live and let live, yes, but don't try and act like every decision you make isn't allowed to come under scrutiny. People will always judge, so just be ready to defend your views in a well-mannered way.


Oh, I'm sorry, did I do something wrong? ;w;
No, you just asked a question.


I see your second paragraph and it states that once you make a forum in this guild, most people would just say nothing else. Is that correct? Because I usually tend to reply to many people since I usually have nothing else to do. Is that alright?
You can feel free to chat and converse as you like, make threads, reply to threads and do as you please within Gaia's ToS. I was hoping you wouldn't be frightened off by some of the members who gave some less than kind responses to your post. People here do not bite, but they sometimes bark loudly.

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 04, 2010 6:44 am


Ellavemia

Live and let live, yes, but don't try and act like every decision you make isn't allowed to come under scrutiny. People will always judge, so just be ready to defend your views in a well-mannered way.
please don't get me wrong, i dont "do" any of these things, but i sure as shootin' support personal freedoms. and i wasn't trying to be intimidating either, i apologize if that's how it came off. i was trying to explain the implications of "getting rid" of such things.
PostPosted: Sat Sep 04, 2010 9:03 am


Ellavemia
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This is Gaia where people are allowed to be as rude as they please, but for this guild it would be nice if we could learn to educate withing berating.

This post was the first by a new member, and if she is anything like most of our new members, it will also be her last. People who join this guild often never post and I'd be willing to bet it's because they feel threatened by some of the very vocal minority.

Live and let live, yes, but don't try and act like every decision you make isn't allowed to come under scrutiny. People will always judge, so just be ready to defend your views in a well-mannered way.


Oh, I'm sorry, did I do something wrong? ;w;
No, you just asked a question.


I see your second paragraph and it states that once you make a forum in this guild, most people would just say nothing else. Is that correct? Because I usually tend to reply to many people since I usually have nothing else to do. Is that alright?
You can feel free to chat and converse as you like, make threads, reply to threads and do as you please within Gaia's ToS. I was hoping you wouldn't be frightened off by some of the members who gave some less than kind responses to your post. People here do not bite, but they sometimes bark loudly.


I'm actually very fine and okay. I just want to learn more to increase my knowledge. smile

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 04, 2010 6:27 pm


even if its wrong it should not be banned, However when there actions Directly or Deeply effect other people in public places where they cant get out of the way of say smoke in a restruant. then rules should be made that keep both partys happy.

however if a private place desides to allow smokeing and lets you know theres smokeing, or to be zero smoke.....thats the owners right within the domian they own.

or for achhol. i agree, that people should not drive under the influence. but Some drunk people, have zero mental control under its influence. and if they cant stop themselfs from driveing they need help. they should be treated more like a sick person then an evil one.

its clear our current system of punishing them After the crime lacks the ideal level of impact.

and i dont think altering law will help, this is a matter of culture. and forethought. people are aware of what could happen. but there stobborn and prideful and dont want to beleive there as "weak" as the people whove screwed up before them.
PostPosted: Sat Sep 04, 2010 9:54 pm


Everything you do in life you'll be met with criticism. Today my friends and I made a rose water, elderberry, chokecherry wine. I'm actually pretty excited for the way it turns out.

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 10, 2010 3:13 pm


Well, as stated before in this thread, all of these things really do have a practical application. It's when people go crazy with it that the problems start. It's just nature that some individuals can enjoy these things in moderation while others can't, but banning them would have a worse effect than leaving things as they are.


As for smoking in public, it is up to both sides to watch themselves. You should try your best not to smoke around people who aren't smoking, but also, if someone is smoking near you and you have an allergy, then you should probably move away. Not moving is like being allergic to bees, seeing a beehive, and walking into it. It's irresponsible to expect other people to watch out for our health, especially strangers. I hope I'm not coming off as mean, I can just see it from both sides.
PostPosted: Fri Sep 10, 2010 4:13 pm


Absolutely right, Vanilla. People have to take personal responsibility for their actions. You're not being mean. It's called "maturity."

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 11, 2010 11:07 am


But when your dad smokes in the car, and its his car, and you're stuck there, and he has no regard for the fact that his passengers feel cigarettes are disgusting.

He was irritated that I made a no smoking rule for my car. But still, it's my environment, and its disgusting how some people have blatantly no respect for others.

I don't fault others for smoking, and I refuse to say anything to them about it, by now they should know the effects it can have on one's body. I'd just rather not have to put up with second-hand smoke when around them, and in most cases, being unallowed to walk away. D:

I don't mind if I can just leave, but with my dad... *ugh*

Zurine, I deeply appreciate how you keep your ciggs to yourself, and admire that. If only others would be the same way. xD
PostPosted: Sat Sep 11, 2010 12:17 pm


I know how you feel about people who smoke. When I bought my first house, there was a "no smoking" rule, except for my parents. I wanted them to feel welcome at my house, and spend lots of time there. As time went on, I realized that I loved my friends who smoked as much as the ones who didn't-----so the ashtrays were out when the smokers were there, and I aired out the house when everyone left. I would have hated any of these people not being in my life, and for me, it was a small price to pay to have everyone together, enjoying each other's company. They all knew that I didn't smoke, and when the weather was good, would be quite happy to smoke outside. They all knew that this was a concession that I made just to them out of love. I was never sorry that I did it.

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 11, 2010 11:55 pm


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I know how you feel about people who smoke. When I bought my first house, there was a "no smoking" rule, except for my parents. I wanted them to feel welcome at my house, and spend lots of time there. As time went on, I realized that I loved my friends who smoked as much as the ones who didn't-----so the ashtrays were out when the smokers were there, and I aired out the house when everyone left. I would have hated any of these people not being in my life, and for me, it was a small price to pay to have everyone together, enjoying each other's company. They all knew that I didn't smoke, and when the weather was good, would be quite happy to smoke outside. They all knew that this was a concession that I made just to them out of love. I was never sorry that I did it.


I live with four roommates in a tiny cabin, and because one roommate doesn't smoke we don't smoke inside, at all. It's rude. People who don't smoke and are turned off by the smell can't live in an environment where they constantly smell it, breathe it, and even have the smell linger on their clothing. I don't like smoking inside as it is, and if I don't smoke in my own home I wouldn't let anyone else smoke in my house. Air pollution in the home is pretty important to me, if you can't feel comfortable in your own house because it stinks then it becomes a problem.
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