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Cloud the darksword angel
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 Posted: Fri Jul 16, 2010 5:27 pm
i think hes ou he is easy to take down i always carry ice hidden powers on my SP A users cuz ice is cool and good HP to use
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Posted: Fri Jul 16, 2010 5:43 pm
Sure, I can help.
Registeel will survive three Outrages from a Max Attack + Life Orb Salamence if it has the maximum Defense possible for a neutral nature- also assuming that it has invested in HP. This allows it to take advantage of two turns of Salamence wearing itself down for two turns in a row, as it keeps chipping away at its own HP with Life Orb.
Assuming that Salamence has a neutral Def. nature, no investments, and that Registeel is Adamant with no EVs, Registeel will always 2HKO Salamence with Ice Punch- in other words, it can switch in on an Outrage and kill it before Salamence can return the favor.
Regirock also follows a similar pattern- Max Attack, Life Orb Salamence must hit Regirock three times in order to hope for a KO, while Regirock has a surprise up its sleeve. Neutral Def Nature/0 EV Def, 0 HP invested Salamences have a good chance of being OHKO'd by Stone Edge (assuming Adamant, 0 EV invested Regirock).
Look, it'll save me a lot of typing. Let's assume Max Attack (Adamant, 252 EV, 31 IV), Life Orb Mence is attacking first, again.
Empoleon can switch into the Outrage, and a walling set can survive three Outrages if it has enough HP investments. Assuming No EV invested, Neutral-natured Sp. Attack from Empoleon, it will OHKO a 0/0 Sp. Def (Neutral-natured) Salamence on the following turn.
I gotta head out, for now, but I'm pretty sure that these counters are more than sufficient. It's definitely longer than the list we had for Garchomp, now, isn't it? :3
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Posted: Fri Jul 16, 2010 7:16 pm
Grant those pokemon don't want to see a mence they do work. Not great but they do work. Mix mence is still a beast. Voting for OU now though.
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Posted: Fri Jul 16, 2010 8:14 pm
Check Smogon now.... stare
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Posted: Fri Jul 16, 2010 8:15 pm
Im so angry about that now shoddy is going to suck even more
where left with three ou dragons now I guess its back to dragonite now
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Posted: Fri Jul 16, 2010 8:22 pm
... stare Smogon is officially retarded. Next they'll pick on Metagross or T-tar. Salamence clearly doesn't belong in Uber for multiple reasons stated in others post. To me it seems like they go for the most used of the OU, then move him. Dragonite's defenses are a lot better than Mence and it can still pull off the same sets he does. Why hasn't he been trailed yet as well?
WTF!!
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Posted: Fri Jul 16, 2010 9:21 pm
Pretty much I believe the main problem I see with Salamence is it's unpredictability. To counter Salamence appropriately, you first have to figure out what set it's even running and that little guessing game (more often than not) allows Salamence to gain a surprise kill. Of course, once the set is discovered Salamence can easily be countered. And I mean "counter" by being able to switch-in on an attack and either chase off or KO Salamence; not revenge kill. If Revenge Killing is taken into consideration, even more Pokemon can be added to these lists. Vs SpecsMence: Blissey, Empoleon, Cresselia, Heatran, Bronzong, Registeel, Cradily (in Sandstorm). Vs MixMence: Tentacruel (assuming MixMence is running Brick Break and not EQ), Cresselia, CounterBlissey, Zapdos. Vs DDMence or CBMence: Hippowdon (especially with Roar against DDMence), Rhyperior (especially against CDMence while not spamming EQ), Skarmory, Weezing, Suicune, Milotic, Vaporeon. As you can see, that's a wide array of counters and while not completely overcentralizing in my opinion (ultimately meaning no justification to be dropped into Ubers) but having the right counter against the specific (often unknown) Salamence is what caused the problem from the get-go and is most likely why Smogon chose to vote Mence into Ubers. With plenty of experience playing the standard battles in-game and standard ladder on Shoddy, I've honestly found being swept by Salamence to be a very rare occurance. Not even half as much as Bullet Punching Scizor. It's versitility and blantant unpredictability makes it a nuisance at best, but it's sheer presence doesn't drag the game to a standstill whenever one is brought out and it is a Pokemon that is well in-check by many other common and uncommon Pokemon alike that can easily counter or revenge kill it at the drop of a hat, no matter the set. Archolite Check Smogon now.... stare Yes, yes. We already know about their decision (hence this thread). Likewise, we're deciding on whether to follow Smogon or keep to our own tier list (again). Edit: The red text color appears to be very straining of the eyes in bulky text, so I'm removing it and limiting down to just this edit.
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Posted: Fri Jul 16, 2010 9:42 pm
Bleh its to easy to take down, I can either hit it with a rock type attack one hit or destroy it with a ice type one hit.
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Posted: Fri Jul 16, 2010 9:43 pm
Kyrenx Pretty much I believe the main problem I see with Salamence is it's unpredictability.
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Posted: Fri Jul 16, 2010 10:01 pm
Zetshimaru Kyrenx Pretty much I believe the main problem I see with Salamence is it's unpredictability.
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Posted: Fri Jul 16, 2010 10:05 pm
X Dark Serge X Zetshimaru Kyrenx Pretty much I believe the main problem I see with Salamence is it's unpredictability.
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Posted: Fri Jul 16, 2010 10:30 pm
My point was that they officially made it uber, not that they were thinking about it (We all knew that)... They just put it on the Uber list recently. I don't agree with Smogon either. I believe I put my opinion in here earlier. Sorry if I sound blunt. sweatdrop
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Posted: Fri Jul 16, 2010 10:37 pm
Archolite My point was that they officially made it uber, not that they were thinking about it (We all knew that)... They just put it on the Uber list recently. I don't agree with Smogon either. I believe I put my opinion in here earlier. Sorry if I sound blunt. sweatdrop Whoops, guess it was a different thread... Anyhow, I believe he should stay OU, & I love how people say how easy he is to beat, when most of the time he can sweep a weakened team who lost its only reliable counter. N00bs! But not everybody is a noob, just...some people.... As for staying in OU, its because he does go down once you do find out what set he runs (like Kyrenx said<----(proplayer)) if you have the counter that is....
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Posted: Fri Jul 16, 2010 11:14 pm
Here's a question I would like to ask. How well would Salamence do in Uber anyway? How would Salamence stack against the uber tier? How about we think that.
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Chaotic Houndoom Vice Captain
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Posted: Fri Jul 16, 2010 11:24 pm
Queen Melethia Dagon Here's a question I would like to ask. How well would Salamence do in Uber anyway? How would Salamence stack against the uber tier? How about we think that. To anwser your question: I believe that the Uber Tier to Smogon is like the Recycle Bin to your computer. You send whatever you don't want hanging around there. The people of Smogon don't want to see Salamance in every battle, or its influences, so they send it to the Uber tier. How it stacks up to other Ubers is irrelevent.
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