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 Posted: Wed Jul 14, 2010 3:49 pm
Renkon Root rmcdra Ugh I just checked that site and it's new incarnation The history of Wicca is so wrong I don't even know where to begin. Hell it doesn't even describe what Wicca even is. I'm actually sad now that I joined it's latest incarnation just to see what it was about. If anything, it looks like someone got pissy with the public version of the first group and made a private version. I got banned from it for "trolling".
To them, posting the actual history of Wicca, criticizing Ravenwolf, Cunningham and Buckland and posting links to back-up my statements was trolling. ... could kick your a** !!
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Posted: Mon Sep 20, 2010 3:06 am
Found some more verses that defend the stance of Christians not being under the Mosaic Laws. This first one is my favorite so far. Galatians 3 10 All who rely on observing the law are under a curse, for it is written: "Cursed is everyone who does not continue to do everything written in the Book of the Law." 11Clearly no one is justified before God by the law, because, "The righteous will live by faith." 12The law is not based on faith; on the contrary, "The man who does these things will live by them." 13Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us, for it is written: "Cursed is everyone who is hung on a tree." 14He redeemed us in order that the blessing given to Abraham might come to the Gentiles through Christ Jesus, so that by faith we might receive the promise of the Spirit. Galatians 3 23Before this faith came, we were held prisoners by the law, locked up until faith should be revealed. 24So the law was put in charge to lead us to Christ that we might be justified by faith. 25Now that faith has come, we are no longer under the supervision of the law.Romans 6 11In the same way, count yourselves dead to sin but alive to God in Christ Jesus. 12Therefore do not let sin reign in your mortal body so that you obey its evil desires. 13Do not offer the parts of your body to sin, as instruments of wickedness, but rather offer yourselves to God, as those who have been brought from death to life; and offer the parts of your body to him as instruments of righteousness. 14For sin shall not be your master, because you are not under law, but under grace.Romans 7 4So, my brothers, you also died to the law through the body of Christ, that you might belong to another, to him who was raised from the dead, in order that we might bear fruit to God. 5For when we were controlled by the sinful nature,[a] the sinful passions aroused by the law were at work in our bodies, so that we bore fruit for death. 6But now, by dying to what once bound us, we have been released from the law so that we serve in the new way of the Spirit, and not in the old way of the written code.
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Posted: Sat Nov 20, 2010 10:47 am
I've also always felt that this comes from a lack of understanding of the principals of magic. I was taught taboo against witchcraft, but really where I am now, and having read parts of things like the Magus, knowing how to control states of consciousness and interact with the world around you with magic, seems like an excellent way to establish deeper connection with any deity.
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Posted: Sat Nov 20, 2010 11:10 am
Adalyna I've also always felt that this comes from a lack of understanding of the principals of magic. I was taught taboo against witchcraft, but really where I am now, and having read parts of things like the Magus, knowing how to control states of consciousness and interact with the world around you with magic, seems like an excellent way to establish deeper connection with any deity. Yeah it is. I think the issue is that magic and witchcraft, in context of Christianity, is forces or powers that don't stem from YHVH directly. Because this context is not understood, the jump is made that all magic and witchcraft is bad, which in turn demonizes any sort of mystical systems or any methods of developing a deeper relationship with YHVH and/or his Son.
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Posted: Thu Dec 09, 2010 7:20 am
herro again!
Quick question...can the triple goddess idea be applied to mary? Not worshipping her as a goddess or some stupid s**t like that, just looking at her life in terms of Maiden, Mother, Crone and getting more spiritually connected to that....just wanted to throw that out there. biggrin *I apologize of any idiocy in this post*
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Posted: Thu Dec 09, 2010 7:23 am
Midnight Magyk herro again! Quick question...can the triple goddess idea be applied to mary? Not worshipping her as a goddess or some stupid s**t like that, just looking at her life in terms of Maiden, Mother, Crone and getting more spiritually connected to that....just wanted to throw that out there. biggrin *I apologize of any idiocy in this post* I think you need to discard the triple goddess metaphor. I think it's confusing you more than it's helping you at this point. wink If you want to learn more about Mary, there are discarded early Christian texts that focus largely on her. Rmcdra might know the name of one... I can't remember them.
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Posted: Thu Dec 09, 2010 8:26 am
Midnight Magyk herro again! Quick question...can the triple goddess idea be applied to mary? Not worshipping her as a goddess or some stupid s**t like that, just looking at her life in terms of Maiden, Mother, Crone and getting more spiritually connected to that....just wanted to throw that out there. biggrin *I apologize of any idiocy in this post* No idiocy in the post and I don't think so given how she's an object of veneration thus any worship given to her is in honor of her service to the Father (i.e. she's someone to look up to due to her role and being born without Original Sin but she's not better than you person-wise. She still needed Christ as a Savior). This is assuming you are talking about Virgin Mary. If you are talking about Mary Magdalene, it should be known that she was held in high regard almost equal possibly greater than Virgin Mary by many early Christians. She was even believed to be an apostle by some sects. I've even heard of some believing her to be a manifestation of Sophia but this could be just speculation. If you would like to focus on a triplicity you might want to explore the Mystery of the Death, Resurrection, and Ascension of the Christ. Or if you'd like to focus on a Mystery that's a little less than orthodox there's the fall, reunion, and marriage of Sophia. As for texts, For Mary Magdalene Gospel of Mary MagdaleneI'll ask my Pastor if he knows of any of the heretical/apocraphal texts focusing on the Virgin Mary.
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Posted: Thu Dec 09, 2010 5:09 pm
Sanguina Cruenta Midnight Magyk herro again! Quick question...can the triple goddess idea be applied to mary? Not worshipping her as a goddess or some stupid s**t like that, just looking at her life in terms of Maiden, Mother, Crone and getting more spiritually connected to that....just wanted to throw that out there. biggrin *I apologize of any idiocy in this post* I think you need to discard the triple goddess metaphor. I think it's confusing you more than it's helping you at this point. wink If you want to learn more about Mary, there are discarded early Christian texts that focus largely on her. Rmcdra might know the name of one... I can't remember them. yup I do. *must beat out of head* I was just thinking about how you can divide her life into three parts... you know maiden (when she's like 16 and getting married) mother (mother of jesus) and crone as a woman in her old age and being really wise because of the death of her son and all.
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Posted: Thu Dec 09, 2010 5:12 pm
rmcdra Midnight Magyk herro again! Quick question...can the triple goddess idea be applied to mary? Not worshipping her as a goddess or some stupid s**t like that, just looking at her life in terms of Maiden, Mother, Crone and getting more spiritually connected to that....just wanted to throw that out there. biggrin *I apologize of any idiocy in this post* No idiocy in the post and I don't think so given how she's an object of veneration thus any worship given to her is in honor of her service to the Father (i.e. she's someone to look up to due to her role and being born without Original Sin but she's not better than you person-wise. She still needed Christ as a Savior). This is assuming you are talking about Virgin Mary. If you are talking about Mary Magdalene, it should be known that she was held in high regard almost equal possibly greater than Virgin Mary by many early Christians. She was even believed to be an apostle by some sects. I've even heard of some believing her to be a manifestation of Sophia but this could be just speculation. If you would like to focus on a triplicity you might want to explore the Mystery of the Death, Resurrection, and Ascension of the Christ. Or if you'd like to focus on a Mystery that's a little less than orthodox there's the fall, reunion, and marriage of Sophia. As for texts, For Mary Magdalene Gospel of Mary MagdaleneI'll ask my Pastor if he knows of any of the heretical/apocraphal texts focusing on the Virgin Mary. I was talking about the virgin mary and I was just thinking about how you can divide her life into three parts... you know maiden (when she's like 16 and getting married) mother (mother of jesus) and crone as a woman in her old age and being really wise because of the death of her son and all. So you could ask her as a mother for help with God and all, or as a crone for wisdom in trials of life or as a maiden to be more carefree. Does this make any sense? Edit: Also, it's not making her out to be better than us all, it's just viewing her in a different light and seeing how she got thru life just categorized a bit (I like categories. xD)
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Posted: Thu Dec 09, 2010 5:25 pm
Midnight Magyk yup I do. *must beat out of head* I was just thinking about how you can divide her life into three parts... you know maiden (when she's like 16 and getting married) mother (mother of jesus) and crone as a woman in her old age and being really wise because of the death of her son and all. True. The funny thing about Mary, though, is that she's maiden and mother at the same time, because she's a virgin mother wink Thus we see the overlap of these "roles".
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Posted: Thu Dec 09, 2010 8:19 pm
Midnight Magyk rmcdra Midnight Magyk herro again! Quick question...can the triple goddess idea be applied to mary? Not worshipping her as a goddess or some stupid s**t like that, just looking at her life in terms of Maiden, Mother, Crone and getting more spiritually connected to that....just wanted to throw that out there. biggrin *I apologize of any idiocy in this post* No idiocy in the post and I don't think so given how she's an object of veneration thus any worship given to her is in honor of her service to the Father (i.e. she's someone to look up to due to her role and being born without Original Sin but she's not better than you person-wise. She still needed Christ as a Savior). This is assuming you are talking about Virgin Mary. If you are talking about Mary Magdalene, it should be known that she was held in high regard almost equal possibly greater than Virgin Mary by many early Christians. She was even believed to be an apostle by some sects. I've even heard of some believing her to be a manifestation of Sophia but this could be just speculation. If you would like to focus on a triplicity you might want to explore the Mystery of the Death, Resurrection, and Ascension of the Christ. Or if you'd like to focus on a Mystery that's a little less than orthodox there's the fall, reunion, and marriage of Sophia. As for texts, For Mary Magdalene Gospel of Mary MagdaleneI'll ask my Pastor if he knows of any of the heretical/apocraphal texts focusing on the Virgin Mary. I was talking about the virgin mary and I was just thinking about how you can divide her life into three parts... you know maiden (when she's like 16 and getting married) mother (mother of jesus) and crone as a woman in her old age and being really wise because of the death of her son and all. So you could ask her as a mother for help with God and all, or as a crone for wisdom in trials of life or as a maiden to be more carefree. Does this make any sense? Edit: Also, it's not making her out to be better than us all, it's just viewing her in a different light and seeing how she got thru life just categorized a bit (I like categories. xD) you know I wouldn't be surprised if the Triple Goddess concept wasn't something taken and reworked from Christianity. I don't see why not but you might want to ask your priest or look more into Mariology before you grasp on to this. Mariology is not an area I'm familiar with.
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Posted: Thu Dec 09, 2010 11:02 pm
rmcdra Mariology is not an area I'm not too familiar with.  ____________________________________________ Love the double negative. So, you ARE familiar with it?
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Posted: Thu Dec 09, 2010 11:15 pm
Renkon Root rmcdra Mariology is not an area I'm not too familiar with. ____________________________________________ Love the double negative. So, you ARE familiar with it? Whoops let me go back and fix that. Thanks for pointing that out.
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Posted: Fri Jan 07, 2011 12:07 am
There were some nice questions posed by a particular user in M&R concerning the second part of my info dump but due to his/her *ahem* particular debate habits and a recognition of my own naivety to recognize these tactics when they appear, I do not wish to respond to him/her directly. This is more of because I do not wish to be bothered with the stress of M&R Quote: Why would god demand something of only part of the world's population? If god demanded something from the Israelites, how can we be so certain it wasn't implicitly meant for us? That's part of the reason the Israelites are titled "God's Chosen People". In Jewish theology, the nation of Israel are given a special role and adhering to these OT is part of the responsibility of being in that role. This role has something to do with "The World to Come" but I'm unclear on all the details. Gentiles never entered into this covenant thus do not have to fill this role. Since they don't have to fill this role, they don't have to follow these rules. Quote: Is god just bogging down one ethnic group with restrictions, but no one else? Why? As to if these rules are bogging an ethnic group down is a matter of perspective. Again this was the role this group was given and they accepted this role with all the strings attached to them. Quote: If god told the Isrealites to look both ways before crossing the street, would that not also apply to everyone else, even if not stated explicitly? Are we not all humans living in the same universe? What's the difference between a gentile and a Jew? Is it genetic? Do they have defective souls that need more rules? 1 - If YHVH didn't make a contract with a group of people to follow certain rules then no. The only covenant that Gentiles are technically bound to in Jewish theology is the Noahide covenant. While this covenant is explicitly explained in the Talmud, Sanhedrin 56a, and it is alluded to in Genesis 9. Genesis 9 8 Then God said to Noah and to his sons with him: 9 “I now establish my covenant with you and with your descendants after you . This covenant has to do with Gentiles who would like to live with Jews and for Gentiles who would like to take part in "The World to Come". Again my knowledge of what "The World to Come" is in Jewish is blurry so I am unable to provide details since this is an area I am ignorant in. Now given that there was never a "Great Flood" or at least not a global one, it's quite possible that there are those who are not in the Noahide covenant. Though it should be noted that the Noahide covenant has been praised as a first attempt at international law by the UN. It is also possible that YHVH's covenants do expire if not kept by the 4th generation (Exodus 20:5; 34:7; Numbers 14:18; Deuteronomy 5:9). While these text are primarily concerned with the Hebrew people, it gives at least an example of how YHVH functions on his end of a covenant one makes with him. 2 - Yes but we don't all have the same talents, same skills, same culture, nor the same roles in life. 3 - The difference is who is in the Mosaic covenant and who isn't. That's already been explained. 4 - Now you're getting into the who's a Jew debate. Most sects of Judaism recognize a Jew as one who is born of a Jewish mother or one who has gone through proper conversion, which includes circumcision. Some sects such as Reform Judaism have looser standards for who's a Jew. This is not my culture so I wish not to get into my debate. 5 - It has nothing to do with defect but with roles and responsibility within a particular covenant. The Jewish people chose to accept the role of being YHVH's Chosen People and they have a responsibility to uphold that covenant. Gentiles are not in this covenant thus are not required nor expected to follow the responsibilities of the Mosaic Covenant. Edit: Grammer corrections
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