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Which do you think I should do?
Closed Adoption.
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Open Adoption.
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Keep the baby.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 19, 2006 8:13 pm


Well whether you go back or not is honestly up to you. So I guess if it isn't worth it to you to go back to school while having a baby, well then, that's your choice. Just don't blame your baby for that one and say s/he crushed your dreams, ok?

If you want anything badly enough, you'll find a way to make it work. It applies here or in any other situations in life. So don't give up before you at least give something a try; shooting yourself down and being defeated without trying is so sad to see.
PostPosted: Fri Jan 20, 2006 12:18 pm


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Well whether you go back or not is honestly up to you. So I guess if it isn't worth it to you to go back to school while having a baby, well then, that's your choice. Just don't blame your baby for that one and say s/he crushed your dreams, ok?

If you want anything badly enough, you'll find a way to make it work. It applies here or in any other situations in life. So don't give up before you at least give something a try; shooting yourself down and being defeated without trying is so sad to see.


That's the thing... to go back to school, especially medical school, would be selfish (to me anyway). It may be my dream but I refuse to become a nonexistant parent that's never around. Interns work almost 24/7 and some of them sleep in the hospital because they do not have time to go home. If I were to go through with my dream, that's what would happen. For 3 years I'd basically never see my baby... he/she would have more of a relationship with a daycare than he/she would with me. This is why I've decided not to aim for that dream anymore. My baby deserves so much more than that... I want to be there and not be the non-existant mother that my child never sees. My parents did that... that's not what I want for my child. I'm perfectly fine working as a phlebotomist, I'll have no problem getting into the nursing program and will probably be a certified RN very soon after the baby is born. And honestly... I wouldn't blame my baby. He/She did not choose the circumstances of it's creation. If I blamed anyone it would be my professor or myself for being stupid enough to fall for the age old "need to discuss a paper" trick.

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 20, 2006 12:48 pm


AwaitingMidnight
That's what everyone says but I refuse to lie to myself. I know well that once I leave school it will be over. I won't be going back... not in a few years... not ever. I can say that I plan on it... but honestly... I never will go back and I definately won't have the energy for it 18 years from now. It's just not going to happen.

Don't say that. My mother went to school when she was 17 and dropped out before finishing her first semester. She went back at 48 and just graduated with an architecture degree last May. She didn't think she would ever be able to go back to college either.

It's hard, but it's possible. You just have to make it work.

As for you, I'd maybe spend some time on your own to think about your options. Are there any other careers you would enjoy? You may be able to use your credits towards a different degree. But I think that whatever you do, you should AT LEAST come out of this with a degree. Even if it isn't a full medical degree, you should get something. That's going to be invaluable with a child to raise.

Next, you should think about what seems to be making you a target. You've been raped far too many times for it to be dumb luck. Maybe you should start some self defence classes or something after the baby is born?
PostPosted: Fri Jan 20, 2006 7:21 pm


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AwaitingMidnight
That's what everyone says but I refuse to lie to myself. I know well that once I leave school it will be over. I won't be going back... not in a few years... not ever. I can say that I plan on it... but honestly... I never will go back and I definately won't have the energy for it 18 years from now. It's just not going to happen.

Don't say that. My mother went to school when she was 17 and dropped out before finishing her first semester. She went back at 48 and just graduated with an architecture degree last May. She didn't think she would ever be able to go back to college either.

It's hard, but it's possible. You just have to make it work.

As for you, I'd maybe spend some time on your own to think about your options. Are there any other careers you would enjoy? You may be able to use your credits towards a different degree. But I think that whatever you do, you should AT LEAST come out of this with a degree. Even if it isn't a full medical degree, you should get something. That's going to be invaluable with a child to raise.

Next, you should think about what seems to be making you a target. You've been raped far too many times for it to be dumb luck. Maybe you should start some self defence classes or something after the baby is born?


I have my AA and my AS and a certificate as a phlebotomist... I've been working at a local hospital for a while now and at the end of next month I'll have 2000 hours of hands-on patient-patient medical experience. Once I hit the 2000 hours I can apply for acceptance into the Nursing Program or the Physician's Assistant program at the local JC. Fron there I can become either an RN or a PA... most likely an RN since the PA program requires I complete so many units each semester... and I do plan on taking time off when the baby is born... I'll be out of work and school for at least 6 months... the daycares out here don't take children under the age of one so I'm at a loss for that... my parents can't help me with that either and I have no other family aside from that that would be able to. My boyfriend is very supportive but he's an EMT... he works... alot... he's also going for his masters in chem at the same time... so figuring ll of this out is difficult... and family and friends are only contributing to the stress and the difficulty. I don't know. I'll be happy being an RN. I never wanted to be a doctor for the money or anything like that... I just wanted to help people... and as a nurse, I'd still be able to do that.

as for self defense classes... yeah the first time started when I was 5 and continuded until I was 10... that was my uncle's doing... and I learned not to fight him or it would be more painful... I'd just cry... the other time involved stab wounds... had it not been for that and a nosey neighbor I'd have bled to death... and this time I don't know what happened this time.. I tried getting away and he blocked the door and basically once I was pinned it was over.

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 20, 2006 8:37 pm


Quite a few colleges offer childcare to students, you should see if the school where you'd be completing your RN offers such a program. 3nodding

I can't say anything about the other part other then perhaps getting items with which to help defend yourself, like a horn or something? I can understand after the first situation not wanting to fight back but statistically you're better off fighting back if people try to assault you now. And I do think Kukushka has a point, you may be giving off some sort of a body language signal that allows predators to know you won't fight back if they try something. Child predators use a technique similar to this: they just know how to pick the children that won't fight and make things hard.

It's too bad your family is giving you a hard time. Hopefully they'll get over whatever is bothering them and soon and at least be more civil. You've had enough hardship as it is.
PostPosted: Sat Jan 21, 2006 12:41 am


Pirate Dirge
Quite a few colleges offer childcare to students, you should see if the school where you'd be completing your RN offers such a program. 3nodding

I can't say anything about the other part other then perhaps getting items with which to help defend yourself, like a horn or something? I can understand after the first situation not wanting to fight back but statistically you're better off fighting back if people try to assault you now. And I do think Kukushka has a point, you may be giving off some sort of a body language signal that allows predators to know you won't fight back if they try something. Child predators use a technique similar to this: they just know how to pick the children that won't fight and make things hard.

It's too bad your family is giving you a hard time. Hopefully they'll get over whatever is bothering them and soon and at least be more civil. You've had enough hardship as it is.


I carry a blade with me actually. but it didn't do me much good in my purse, and I just wasn't expecting to need it. He had me sit down, went to his file cabinet and looked like he was searching for papers in it, closed the file, locked the door and stood in front of it and I didn't have enough time to reach into my purse that was on the floor leaning against the chair. As for vibes... I highly doubt I am. My uncle was one thing that was a thing of brain washing and nothing more. besides I was 5 how the hell does a 5 year old beat off a 30 year old? it just doesn't work and after a while they break you and you become so empty you just don't care anymore and pray that it kills you. But I don't just let things happen to me anymore... the reason one of the times involved stabbing was because I stabbed him first... not good enough apparently because he got to me next only by then he was even more angry so he stabbed me three times. I'm not this passive person or anything like that and it's not like I wasn't screaming for help the entire time either, well, when I could scream. How it is that no one came is beyond me. Someone had to have heard something... Campus is fairly empty on friday's... but there's still people... I think the only reason I'm targeted is seriously, because I'm small... I'm only 4'11" and Dr. Pinson was huge.. and my uncle... I wasn't his only target. His daughters went through it too and so did another one of my cousins.

as for the local jc's daycare they are worse than the private ones. they only take children ages 2 and up and they're pretty much filled anyway... aside from that going in that place made me want to cry. I do not want my child in that place... it wasn't organized or structured and yeah... no... that will be a last resort. I also don't trust privately owned daycares so... those won't be happening either. Which leaves me with: Children's World, and Kinder Care.

My parents only aren't supportive because they "don't see why you're throwing everything you've done away for something you didn't even do of your own accord" They wanted me to abort and are quite mad that I won't and are also mad that i won't "put the damn thing up for adoption and be done with it."

AwaitingMidnight


Chalda

PostPosted: Sat Jan 21, 2006 12:22 pm


I think it's really brave of you to follow your own path with this. I know you have probably been told that a lot with everything you have been through but I think it's really true.

You seem to be seeing things very realistically for the stressful situation that you are in. It's great to be planning but don't forget to be flexible too. You never know how circumstances might change in the future and it might be possible for you to complete your dream and your dream for your baby at the same time. Not easy but it may be possible.

A lot of mothers have told me that the first few months of pregnancy is really the scariest time. You have to make all sorts of decisions that are going to change the course of your life completely but they have also said that things really do get easier and less scary and you figure out that you really can make life with a baby work.

I know we will all be here to offer advice and support and it is wonderful to hear your story as it progesses. You are an incredibly strong person and although this may have tripped you up a little there is no way it will hold you down.
PostPosted: Sun Jan 22, 2006 7:08 am


I can see your parents' point of view, but I can see yours as well. Hopefully, they will let up and be more supportive once they fully understand that your mind is made up.

As for the screaming, I know. No one ever wants to get involved. And, of course, on campus (at least if yours is anything like ours) people scream all the time just because they are being idiots. So people learn to just grumble and ignore it. I've heard that it can sometimes work better if you are in a situation like that to shout "Fire!" Apparently, people band together and help each other out more if they believe themselves to be in some danger as well. Just scream like you are trapped in the room with a fire.

Also, in my grandmother's dying days, she had this necklace that just fit nicely around her neck and went down into her shirt (so that no one could see the end of it). At the end, was just this little pad with a button on it. If she had a fall or something, she could just press the button and it would ring a bell in my aunt's house (next door). Maybe something like that would be better than a knife? As you said, physically defending yourself can sometimes just make them angry. But if you have some sort of silent alarm that would ring a police station or something, the rapist wouldn't know about it and you'd quickly have someone there to help you.

Or, I bought this thing for a friend last Christmas. She's very short and skinny and weak and was always out partying at night. I worried horribly because she would sit out in these dark bus stops completly alone. She was always scared as well and I spent many nights having to walk home because I would miss my bus waiting with her for hers. Anyways, I bought her this little thing she wears around her wrist when she's along and holds the actual device in her hand. It's this little box with a button. If anything happens, she presses the button and it emits this extremely loud screetching noise. If nothing else, it's good for shocking/surprising an attacker (hopefully giving her some time to get away). This thing would work extremely well in a small office.

Anyways, two non-violent ideas for ways you might consider for protecting yourself.

And like Chalda, I really hope that you will continue to keep us updated. Best of luck to you heart

Akhakhu


AwaitingMidnight

PostPosted: Sun Jan 22, 2006 4:34 pm


Kukushka
I can see your parents' point of view, but I can see yours as well. Hopefully, they will let up and be more supportive once they fully understand that your mind is made up.

As for the screaming, I know. No one ever wants to get involved. And, of course, on campus (at least if yours is anything like ours) people scream all the time just because they are being idiots. So people learn to just grumble and ignore it. I've heard that it can sometimes work better if you are in a situation like that to shout "Fire!" Apparently, people band together and help each other out more if they believe themselves to be in some danger as well. Just scream like you are trapped in the room with a fire.

Also, in my grandmother's dying days, she had this necklace that just fit nicely around her neck and went down into her shirt (so that no one could see the end of it). At the end, was just this little pad with a button on it. If she had a fall or something, she could just press the button and it would ring a bell in my aunt's house (next door). Maybe something like that would be better than a knife? As you said, physically defending yourself can sometimes just make them angry. But if you have some sort of silent alarm that would ring a police station or something, the rapist wouldn't know about it and you'd quickly have someone there to help you.

Or, I bought this thing for a friend last Christmas. She's very short and skinny and weak and was always out partying at night. I worried horribly because she would sit out in these dark bus stops completly alone. She was always scared as well and I spent many nights having to walk home because I would miss my bus waiting with her for hers. Anyways, I bought her this little thing she wears around her wrist when she's along and holds the actual device in her hand. It's this little box with a button. If anything happens, she presses the button and it emits this extremely loud screetching noise. If nothing else, it's good for shocking/surprising an attacker (hopefully giving her some time to get away). This thing would work extremely well in a small office.

Anyways, two non-violent ideas for ways you might consider for protecting yourself.

And like Chalda, I really hope that you will continue to keep us updated. Best of luck to you heart


Thanks for the advice... I'll look into getting something like that box thing. I never intended to use the knife ever... I hoped just bringing it out would be enough to scare someone into backing off. I could definately use something else. My yoga instructer teaches defense classes so I'll look into that later. For now she just wants me doing light yoga and not much else.

And Chalda. Thanks so much for all of your support... Honestly... I am terrified... terrified I'll screw up... and just all around scared... but having people that are supportive... even random internet people, is helpful.
PostPosted: Sun Jan 22, 2006 8:40 pm


Never ever have a weapon that you don't intend to use.

It puts you at a much higher risk than if you were unarmed. Weapons indicate you're going to fight, and that can increase the agressive tendancies of any attacker. It puts you harms way, period.

Take a defense class. Everyone (male or female) should take one, if only to get a better understanding of how their body works and how to utelize the world around you.

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 22, 2006 11:37 pm


AwaitingMidnight
Thanks for the advice... I'll look into getting something like that box thing. I never intended to use the knife ever... I hoped just bringing it out would be enough to scare someone into backing off. I could definately use something else. My yoga instructer teaches defense classes so I'll look into that later. For now she just wants me doing light yoga and not much else.


Have you ever considered pepper spray or mace? All you have to do is watch a short video and then you get to sign a paper to be certified to wear it. It's only about 18 dollars and it's very useful. I've never had to use it, but that's mainly because if I go anywhere, I automatically assess the situation of where I am and where the exits are. It doesn't hurt to be careful.

I wouldn't necessarily say that you need defense classes, but that you should definately take awareness classes that will give you a good idea on how to always be alert, always know you options and to take control or at least have an advantage of how to escape from any situation, even if it doesn't seem threatening.

Although, I'm a big scary woman with a loud voice and a killer punch, so I have not had the same problems. I am truly sorry that you have to deal with this.

I would wish that something would happen to take your hurt away.

But I am happy to hear that your boyfriend is sticking with you! That's wonderful, to have support.

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And Chalda. Thanks so much for all of your support... Honestly... I am terrified... terrified I'll screw up... and just all around scared... but having people that are supportive... even random internet people, is helpful.


In whatever decision you make, I support you. I just hope that both you and your unborn are healthy and that no complications come of this.

You may consider getting on birth control pills after your pregnancy, so if you do get raped (god forbid) again, you will not have to worry as much about pregnancy on top of the trauma.
PostPosted: Mon Jan 23, 2006 4:51 pm


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Have you ever considered pepper spray or mace? All you have to do is watch a short video and then you get to sign a paper to be certified to wear it. It's only about 18 dollars and it's very useful. I've never had to use it, but that's mainly because if I go anywhere, I automatically assess the situation of where I am and where the exits are. It doesn't hurt to be careful.


FYI, pepper spray and mace are illegal in some US states, so ask around.

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 24, 2006 12:31 am


Hello everyone. I'm Tristan, AwaitingMidnight's boyfriend. I just wanted to say thank you for all the support you've given her. At first I didn't really think she should post anything. Last time she said anything anywhere about her past or her recent pregnancy, she was flamed quite badly. People would call her a whore/slut/other words and would also say it was her fault. They don't even know her, or worse, some of the people that have said those things do know her. It doesn't help this situation, or how she feels any. As for why this keeps happening 1) Her uncle is just scum and 2) she is a petite woman... she's my "lil' shorty" and people seem to think they can push her around. Mace/Pepper spray are both illegal here. At least last I heard they were. I'm working on getting her an alarm. The birth control thing is... a good idea.. but world shattering. A person shouldn't have to use birth control just because they fear gettinng raped. It makes me realize just how screwed up the word really is. As for other plans. I think we've figured out a system. She's going to postpone transferring and she'll watch the baby for two years. By then I'll be finished with school and I can watch the baby while she goes back to school. So we'll just alternate who works when and hopefully, by the time the baby is 5, we'll both be done with school. Really we'll just play it by ear and see how it pans out. Again, thank you all for your advice and support.
PostPosted: Tue Jan 24, 2006 5:31 pm


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As for why this keeps happening 1) Her uncle is just scum and 2) she is a petite woman... she's my "lil' shorty" and people seem to think they can push her around.


First of all, she should probably have some counciling for this if she hasn't already. Rape victims (I know from experience) learn to "freeze" during situations where they are being hurt and to "go away" from themselves while the attacker does what he wants. This is destructive when it comes to situations where she can still escape but has already given up at. I know this because it's happened to me before, and only through a lot of working at it, has it lessened in degree.

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Mace/Pepper spray are both illegal here. At least last I heard they were.


If you're in California, then it is NOT illegal. You have to go to one of those nurse/uniform stores, but you have to watch a video to get licenced for it.

If that doesn't work, buy a small squirtbottle and fill it up with a solution of 30% bleach and 70% water. The caustic properties of bleach would cause chemical burns on the attacker that may not be permanent but would hurt if sprayed in the eyes or in any orifices.

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I'm working on getting her an alarm.


An alarm won't work if she's been taken away from other people (which most rapists do to their victims).

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The birth control thing is... a good idea.. but world shattering. A person shouldn't have to use birth control just because they fear gettinng raped. It makes me realize just how screwed up the word really is.


It's also a good idea as a back up method in YOUR sex life TOGETHER, so that way she is less likely to get pregnant again after she has the baby. If you are both in college, it's going to be hard to support one, let alone two babies.


I wish the two of you the best of luck. If you need help, please don't hesitate to PM me.

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