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 Posted: Thu Jun 10, 2010 4:40 pm
We never know what people want, so say, we have an artist pool for winners. (This is separate from freebies)
Artist A donates a fullbody color.
Artist B donates a greyscale bust.
Artist C donates a halfbody color.
Artist D donates a color bust.
Artist E donates a halfbody sketch.
So, we have five artists in this "pool".
Whoever wins first gets first pick from the pool.
1st place winner pics Artist A because a fullbody color sounds sweet. He also really likes Artist D, so he picks that one as his second piece even though the offer is technically smaller.
2nd plate winner can now choose from:
Artist B donates a greyscale bust.
Artist C donates a halfbody color.
Artist E donates a halfbody sketch.
He chooses Artist C's halfbody color.
3rd place can now choose from:
Artist B donates a greyscale bust.
Artist E donates a halfbody sketch.
(etc.)
This way, we don't have artists assigned per place because we can't anticipate player taste. So busier artists can donate less, and certain people don't get called on to draw more than what they offered.
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Posted: Fri Jun 11, 2010 2:13 pm
I was actually thinking that earlier, but I was worried some artists might be upset not being chosen, but maybe then we should hope for mature artists, hehe.
I am all for it... the person who wins should get what they want, not only style but media will factor into what the winner wants.
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Posted: Fri Jun 11, 2010 11:43 pm
I say any artist who miffs about not being chosen ought to just suck it up. Preference is as preference does. If you want to be popular, then you learn how to draw things that a lot of people prefer. If you want to be yourself and draw unpopular things, then draw what you want. Some people just like drawing popular things, so they're popular. Some people draw popular things in order to be popular. But in any case, an artist worth his or her salt should understand how his or her artistic decisions are received and shouldn't whine if someone's opinion isn't the exact same as theirs.
Lol, that was cold, but it's srs bsns, being butthurt is. Lol. STFU, you're only your art if you choose to be, and if you do, then accept the consequences, yadda yadda.
Yeeeah. Pretend that, when I was listing, I said "Artist A donates a fullbody color CG" and "Artist D donates a color bust watercolor" .... >.>
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Posted: Fri Jun 11, 2010 11:52 pm
Well, I try to be understanding of other artist's feelings, especially when I am going to be working with them in some way... whether or not I agree with them. People grow emotionally at different rates. :3
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Posted: Sat Jun 12, 2010 1:19 am
Well~ it is an event for fun, so you might want to avoid situations that could bring up disagreements. I'm sure the idea can be meddled with more so that the chance of butthurt artists (or winners) will be minimized.
After all, the idea of prizes is to make people happy, not sad.
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Posted: Sat Jun 12, 2010 1:26 am
Good point, Onisfi, I am sure Thorny would like the event to be fun, for the winners and the artists, and avoid any conflict.
I actually offer people a choice (on my freebie faq) between taking gold or their freebies... LOL. But yea, I know there are artists who would get hurt if someone declined their art.
Personally, I would be ok with it. I've lost way too many contests to not know by now that everyone has different likes in art. Even, say, if someone took a bust shot of a lineart over my full body cg because they liked the art better... but others might go omg... wow, thats like not even a full picture but they preferred it over mine, and feel bad...
And yet, well, I want the winners to be happy with their art too.
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Posted: Sun Jun 13, 2010 4:15 am
I do like the idea of an artist pool. Thanks Woe 3nodding
I definitely would like to avoid conflict, but as mentioned, we're hoping the artists are mature and won't take it personally if their art wasn't first choice. Will try to think of ways to minimise butthurt though.
What about the quarter-finalists prizes after the top 4 make their pick? There'd be about 8 of them. Should they randomly get a piece left over from the pot or a fixed prize that's stated from the outset (artist quality differs and we certainly can't be making one artist do all 8 pieces)
Oh, and they'd still get gold anyhow, which hopefully sweetens the deal and avoids conflict.
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Posted: Sun Jun 13, 2010 6:58 pm
I think you should trust artists to be more mature than contestants. I mean, it's a growth opportunity for artists. Being an artist who draws for other people is partially about learning that people have different tastes, and who doesn't want to be a better artist?
Randomizing after the first four pick might work, since there's no more need to overlay order on the winners. But I think there's too much chance for disappointment (Winner A wants Artist A. Winner B wants Artist B. Winner A gets Artist B. Winner B gets Artist A. ********, everyone could have been happier there!) So I'm up for set prizes and wiping the choice pool (less work for artists, lol) or instilling more picking.
Gold is gold, flat rate.
Not everyone wants art, you know?
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Posted: Sun Jun 13, 2010 7:04 pm
I think if you want a good turnout, you'll need to have at least 20 Million prize pot. Since like, 5 million won't win you an art auction these days.
I could donate more or auction to raise funds in August, probably net 5-8 mill (I don't know, I haven't done it in awhile, but I am adjusting my old nets by inflation). But like, I dunno, and I'm a bum lol.
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Posted: Sun Jun 13, 2010 11:29 pm
I think we need at least 20m also. Should we place a cap on this or make a goal and stop when we reach it so we do not get burnt out?
I am ready to do the first auction raise, whenever. I still would like to minimize flat contributions to 1m, and then whatever we raise during fundraisers to keep people from going overboard, but its just my mind. Not a big deal.
Im sure you guys are right and we'll get mature artists. Either method has a chance to tee someone off, so its no big deal. I am probably just extra paranoid cause of OOC and all the chaos. I am always overworried about other people's feelings, unless of course, someone pisses me off XD. I'm sure this event will be much more organized, as like its actually being organized instead of made up as went LOL.
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Posted: Mon Jun 14, 2010 1:48 am
*hugs for Kim!* I'm sure the group we have here so far are quite mature. :3 I hope anyway. XDDD And if anyone does get upset then I think they're being somewhat silly, at least if it's over who gets chosen first - I'm with Woe on that point. However obviously if there's a way to minimise any potential hurt then it'd be good to take it. :3
I can't really offer prizes for art or fundraisers, I'm not really good enough (might do free sketches if I feel like it though), but I can support efforts with chatting and bumping! XD
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Posted: Mon Jun 14, 2010 8:31 am
Lawl.
*rarely worries about peoples feelings*
*terrible human being*
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Posted: Mon Jun 14, 2010 2:20 pm
Bah! I refuse to believe that =p
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Posted: Tue Jun 15, 2010 11:09 am
You're attempting to educate others (thinking of what's best for them in long-shot) and taking a part of planning something like this, I don't see how that's not caring.
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Posted: Wed Jun 16, 2010 3:27 pm
Let's stick with the pool, and randomise the remaining winners, but also give them an option to trade pieces amongst the winners themselves?
I think 20m should be a decent pot, and although I see the point in capping donations, people like me can't draw so we won't be pulling our weight if the rest of the funds is from art auctions. And we should start getting an auction out soon methinks.
Woe likes to think she's a terrible person despite being a goody at heart xD
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