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 Posted: Thu Aug 19, 2010 6:03 pm
only Lumanny the Space Jew got it right- God chose us to bear his law. we are the chosen custodians of his word.
the prophecy of the messiah is a self-fulfilling one. once all follow the path of tikkun-olam, there will be peace whether or not a hero emerges.
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Posted: Fri Aug 20, 2010 6:57 am
But it says nothing about who really is God's people.
There are several ways to dispute that the Jews are gods people.
If the thing simply is "doing good", then all who does good is of God's People, no matter wether they are Jews or not!
And if it is that the Jews are selected to do good ....... Then they don't seem to be doing a very good job, considering the country of Israel.
And there is the relationship-twistes as well as the people that left Egypt.
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Posted: Fri Aug 20, 2010 11:09 am
I take a Christian view on it. God chose the Jews because of Abraham. He was ready to start over at one point, destroy the Jews, and just restart with Moses, but Moses asked Him not to do that. I think He chose them because He wanted a people to know Him, because His Son was always to come to earth and He wasn't going to send Him just anywhere, and so that they could keep the law until Jesus came. They're the ones God had the old covenant with.
I also think that for three generations the second-born (first Issac, then Esau, and then Joseph's second son) was chosen to receive the inheritance the firstborn should've gotten. I think Israel is the firstborn, and they still are and always will be God's people, but that Christians are in a way the second-born, and get a fuller inheritance. I'm not saying that's the way it definitely is, just something I thought of while I was reading the beginning of the OT.
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Posted: Fri Aug 20, 2010 11:26 am
xxEverBluexx I also think that for three generations the second-born (first Issac, then Esau, and then Joseph's second son) was chosen to receive the inheritance the firstborn should've gotten. I think Israel is the firstborn, and they still are and always will be God's people, but that Christians are in a way the second-born, and get a fuller inheritance. I'm not saying that's the way it definitely is, just something I thought of while I was reading the beginning of the OT. Christian viewpoint .... I'm not aquinted with the situation of Josephs second son, but are You sure You want to compare Christianity to, for instance Jacob, who scammed the rights of Firstborn from Esau?
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Posted: Fri Aug 20, 2010 12:24 pm
Tiina Brown xxEverBluexx I also think that for three generations the second-born (first Issac, then Esau, and then Joseph's second son) was chosen to receive the inheritance the firstborn should've gotten. I think Israel is the firstborn, and they still are and always will be God's people, but that Christians are in a way the second-born, and get a fuller inheritance. I'm not saying that's the way it definitely is, just something I thought of while I was reading the beginning of the OT. Christian viewpoint .... I'm not aquinted with the situation of Josephs second son, but are You sure You want to compare Christianity to, for instance Jacob, who scammed the rights of Firstborn from Esau? It's more because there was a pattern that I got that, not that everything from one situation is a parallel.
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Posted: Fri Aug 20, 2010 3:09 pm
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Posted: Sat Aug 21, 2010 8:05 am
garra_eyes Lumanny the Space Jew G-d chose us, or many would say we chose G-d, for the purpose of Tikkun Olam, fixing the world. Gimilut Chasidim, Acts of loving kindness. Any chance you could explain this any more? I'm intrigued. ^.^ Well there are two main schools of thought about this: 1.) G-d chose the Jews as His people of choice to be righteouss and fix the world. While G-d loves all his creations and peoples, the Jews are his people of choice when it comes to doing right and fixing the world. We are the protectors of His law and His world. 2.) The Jews Chose G-d, NOT vice-versa, as our one and only god to lead them in being righteouss and fixing the world. In this school of thought the Jews are not, per se, elitists who believe G-d chose them and no one else, but instead just righteouss people. Which school of thought you go by depends on your denomination of Judaism and your individual rabbi. Many of the more modern congregations look at both.
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