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knightofthe21stcentury

PostPosted: Sun May 02, 2010 3:44 pm


Tanubi Yoshim
That's the thing, isn't it? RTD's could easily be explained away but you can't do that with a SM episode. I remember all the people saying "I can't wait till SM comes along and fixes everything" and I find myself loling in a very guilty way.

I guess he did fix everything though (If anything was wrong), because he un-wrote the stolen earth history so who knows what else is gone and now never existed. Journeys End is a bit of a problem because if it didn't exist, what happened to Donna and the Meta 10th? I am hoping just because an event didn't exist it doesn't mean it never happened because if that is true, Donna wouldn't have lost her memory, Rose would still be alone and many other things could now be gone. Rose may still be in that same old flat, or living with Mickey and if that is true, it's the worst plot hole in DW history. The Dr could be immune to these changes because the Tardis protects him but you can't explain why Donna wouldn't still be with him if the event never happened because she isn't protected and can't help but still be in the Tardis. The crack could easily re-write the Dr's history, too from what he hints at when he was going to give himself up so it seems like Wilf would never have killed the 10th and if so........ you get the idea. The only way we're gonna know if the event never happened is if something comes back that should be gone thus pointing out it never happened. And like I say, if the event's didn't happen then we are left with the problems above. And even if it does get fixed later on and the crack gets filled in, (if) things never happened it still wouldn't explain why a few things would not have existed, like Daleks stealing earth and Donna not being with him and no one rememebring this stuff, (Time flows back around and shows effects) Example of just 1 thing: if it does get fixed then Amy would have knows about the Daleks. If fixed, things in this series would never have happened thus causing more problems.
*Some episodes I have of future shows have missing scenes so I can't say for sure how this gets fixed and if it fixes plot holes*
I would seriously be a lot more worried with that then a few Angels, though.

Time Travellers are immune to these changes. They remember it all, but the rest of the world doesn't.
PostPosted: Sun May 02, 2010 3:46 pm


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I am pointing out 2 main problems.

1st. How the hell did those angels move while looking at eachother? in blink this made them stand still forever. so theyre saying blink was wrong?

2nd .They say that even those broken angels can use the image trick so the ones from blink should have too because they where obviously stronger than broken angels. i stoppd watching half way through it was just s**t.

The Angel at the beginning was at full strength. The Blink Angels were weaker. The "Broken" angels never used the image trick. I assume by "Broken" you mean the deformed Angels?

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PostPosted: Sun May 02, 2010 7:10 pm


@knightofthe21stcentury
It's not the simple, He may remember it but things would happen differently. So the Dr may have been immunue but he hints that this crack can undo his time. If so that means it undid his doing from the events of Stolen Earth and this means Donna is perfectly fine and would have re-wrote his history with her. He may be safe but his time was still altered and Donna could not have just dissapeared because she is also protected so what happened? if that didn't happen then she should still be with him thanks to her time traveling protection and if she did go missing then so could the Dr have. unless he never travelled with her in the first place and if so then Turn Left?

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Yeah it was stupid. The Angels moved while seeing eachother.
PostPosted: Mon May 03, 2010 1:40 am


Another problem to add to the ever-growing list of 'things that were silly' about this episode.

Bob gets killed by angels in part one. In part two all the angels are wiped from the face of time leaving it as if they had NEVER existed in the first place.

Bob thus is now alive again and happy. Yay or nay? :/

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PostPosted: Mon May 03, 2010 9:42 am


And the other guy too, maybe they are still alive and that was them at the end there? I saw some solider guys!

Missing scence maybe???

YAY BOB IS STILL ALIVE! biggrin
PostPosted: Mon May 03, 2010 1:34 pm


If they never existed then the ship would not have crashed (No Angel on board) and the doctor even though protected would of still never needed to pick up River Song because she would never have needed to be there and none of this episode would have happened?

It's the grandfather effect. You may go back in time, meet him talk to him he gets late for his date with your grandmother, never meets her, she goes off with someone else and your never born to exist.

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PostPosted: Mon May 03, 2010 4:51 pm


It's only a big plot hole if you get carried away with theories. I don't believe you're supposed to think THAT hard about a tv show.

But I am intrigued, nevertheless. Also, can't say I didn't enjoy the kiss, even though it was ever so slightly OOC. They have such great chemistry on screen I can't even help it. D:
PostPosted: Tue May 04, 2010 12:54 am


But it doesn't take much thinking to know if the main villian never existed then there would be no threat. You sort of notice it no matter what.

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PostPosted: Tue May 04, 2010 4:16 am


Can't people wait till the final episode before we pick at all the faults and plothole, The Pandorica isnt fully open yet and history is still rewriting itself.

Plus one more thing the moment The Doctor get involved with anything it becomes a paridox he's effectivly the king of god moding.
PostPosted: Tue May 04, 2010 10:21 am


Tanubi Yoshim
But it doesn't take much thinking to know if the main villian never existed then there would be no threat. You sort of notice it no matter what.


It must be all that timey wimey stuff.


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PostPosted: Tue May 04, 2010 11:09 am


I kind of love River more now.
I really want to see Stormcage now.
But how does River know what will come next in the Doctors timeline without the spotters guide?
It's not like a spare one popped into her hands randomly.
Also, I want to know who is writing this spotters guide now, is it LINDA? is LINDA coming back again? or ?

Also, I feel like the two episodes would have worked much better if shown back to back. I lost a bit of the creepy feeling I got from the first episode.
Except that one part were the angels came alive. that was creepy.... but I also feel that it was odd that they COULD move.
They DID look at each other.

And even though they were feeding, these angels were really slow. They just seemed too slow to be angels.

A downside, Amy, when she had her eyes closed, made me laugh. She asked so many questions and just kept beating it over the head that she couldn't see. It was kind of distracting. It was a like a child constantly saying "are we there yet?".

Also, I LOVE ANGEL BOBBBBBBBBBBBB!
PostPosted: Wed May 05, 2010 12:35 am


matsuoprower
Can't people wait till the final episode before we pick at all the faults and plothole, The Pandorica isnt fully open yet and history is still rewriting itself.

Plus one more thing the moment The Doctor get involved with anything it becomes a paridox he's effectivly the king of god moding.


Agreed Im just enjoying it as it is. And maybe pull it apart later if it all turns out sour.

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PostPosted: Thu May 06, 2010 9:26 am


If this is a dream, the whole world is inside it.

I must say this was refreshing after the stale WWII Dalek episode. The Weeping Angels scare me and make me happy all at the same time, if you can believe it.

Also, I couldn't help but get giddy over the kiss. I always get gushy when he kisses her forehead, and that whole bit sent my brain into fangirl overdrive. lol
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PostPosted: Thu May 06, 2010 6:44 pm


I liked this episode but I must say, this better be the last weeping angel episode. I can tell that they will get old fast.

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PostPosted: Thu May 06, 2010 11:18 pm


I enjoyed it when I didn't think much about the pass events...
Now that I am thinking about the pass history of the Doctor, many aren't making much sense anymore. Eventually time will tell us hopefully on what this time rewinding will effect on them.

I don't like the kiss scene. neutral I guess it has to be done once and for all. I just wish that's it but I don't think it will be the last Amy kiss Doctor. eek
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