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 Posted: Sat Nov 27, 2010 12:25 am
I must applaud the whistleblowers, for getting everything wrong. This bill from reading it's summary creates no new positions, only imposing powers over old. Not once did I see a food Czar position mentioned, not even in the full version.
This bill simply changes the way food is regulated to make sure food is safe- mostly that subquality food is filtered out, such as those infested with mad-cow, botulism and others. It also allows the DHS(department of homeland security) to decide to embargo certain countries that have a history of sending in sub-quality and disease infested goods.
This does not ban people from buying raw meat, just from selling said meat if the government tells them not to. It won't stop anyone who is already selling a quality product to go out of business.
The big companies won't be abusing it to stop your neighborhood meat salesman unless he happens to belong to a giant collective that could threaten a company. Chances are, no one will notice the change other then a few other countries being unable to sell and the price of food getting a slight raise due to a slightly impeded supply. No magic Food Czar's able to stop the common man, no government conspiracy that serves no purpose, and no foul play.
Sometimes, a pen is just a pen, instead of also being a camera, gun, and laser surveillence device.
OFF TOPIC: Is it just me or are all these people who are in this guild and believe the silly rhetoric the guild leader spews wearing tin foil hats? Seriously. If the world was run by people as shitty as the guild thinks, we wouldn't last long enough, because we'd have assassinations each week.
Most politicians want to line their own pockets, and don't give a s**t about the people except for the fact they have to appease them enough to win next year. They do not want an authoritarian system, because the safety nets protecting them would be removed, let alone the trauma of breaking tradition, the social upheaval of a new regime... Financially untenable.
For the most part, the food industry is led by the nose by the government, not the other way around. If a food company pisses off the government, there will be issues when it comes time to buy subsidized materials, or sell their material to be subsidizied to the government. Politicians hate being told what to do more then normal people, and it's a lot harder to pull out an incumbent position then to keep someone in it.
Control is a two way street. The politician can ignore you if you treat him poorly, or demand more money, or demand favors. Nothing stops him from doing all three since there are always more companies needing favors. It is always what have you done for me today in politics, instead of what have you done in your career, which one day will haunt America, not to mention our shitty choices in dealing with terrorism and recreational drug use, which would be a pretty good way to keep a civilian population under control.
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Posted: Sat Nov 27, 2010 1:15 pm
I watched Food INC. the other day and it stated that there are 4 huge companies than own more than 75% of the cow meat market. these cows are all fed GMO corn and one of their stomachs are a breeding ground for a type of ecoli. Because the cows stand in each others s**t, once one cow gets it, they all get ecoli. The meat is put through ammonia to kill the ecoli and the hamburger meat is really made up of multiple cows, so the risk of ecoli contamination is even higher. So.. the root of the problem isn't because of the FDA, but because of the farm's factory type system that's in place. If the cows were eating grass in the first place, they wouldn't be producing this type of ecoli. If the cows weren't in such small confined lots that they stand in each others s**t, then the ecoli wouldn't spread so much. If the ecoli didn't exist they wouldn't have to use ammonia on all our meat. It would be great to go back to the early 1900s farming and have many small farms where the livestock have a better quality of life and less chance of contamination on a wide scale.
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Posted: Sat Nov 27, 2010 1:29 pm
padfu This does not ban people from buying raw meat, just from selling said meat if the government tells them not to. It won't stop anyone who is already selling a quality product to go out of business. The big companies won't be abusing it to stop your neighborhood meat salesman unless he happens to belong to a giant collective that could threaten a company. Chances are, no one will notice the change other then a few other countries being unable to sell and the price of food getting a slight raise due to a slightly impeded supply. No magic Food Czar's able to stop the common man, no government conspiracy that serves no purpose, and no foul play. so if the government says only the top 4 companies that produce 75% of the cow meat in america, and the other top 4 for pigs and top 4 for chickens, are the only companies allowed to sell meat... that doesn't sound good at all man. you're not thinking this through. i don't want to eat ammonia, GMO, antibiotic, steroid, growth hormone injected meat. I want natural meat the way nature intended it, from the local farmer, but he's not allowed to sell it? What makes you think he's going to be able to carry on selling his meat and get away with it years down the road? He's NOT. The government agencies are going to catch up to him soon enough and then there will be no choice left for me in the land of the free. And you are OK with this and see no problem with it?? wow you're a sheep. They already do the same thing to people legally producing raw milk. they pester them, raid their farm, mess with their products, take items, and site the owners with stupid fines and tickets for mislabeling or whatever they can think of to hinder them. They only care about the big pasteurization dairy's that control most of the market, and not the little guys.
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Posted: Sat Nov 27, 2010 2:20 pm
TrutherMei padfu This does not ban people from buying raw meat, just from selling said meat if the government tells them not to. It won't stop anyone who is already selling a quality product to go out of business. The big companies won't be abusing it to stop your neighborhood meat salesman unless he happens to belong to a giant collective that could threaten a company. Chances are, no one will notice the change other then a few other countries being unable to sell and the price of food getting a slight raise due to a slightly impeded supply. No magic Food Czar's able to stop the common man, no government conspiracy that serves no purpose, and no foul play. So if the government says only the top four companies that produce seventy-five percent of the cow meat in America, the top four for pigs and top four for chickens, are the only companies allowed to sell meat, that does not sound good at all man. You are not thinking this through. I don't want to eat ammonia, GMO, antibiotic, steroid, and growth hormone injected meat. I want natural meat the way nature intended it, from the local farmer, but he's not allowed to sell it? What makes you think he's going to be able to carry on selling his meat and get away with it years down the road? He's NOT. The government agencies are going to catch up to him soon enough and then there will be no choice left for me in the land of the free. And you are OK with this and see no problem with it? Wow you're a sheep. They already do the same thing to people legally producing raw milk. they pester them, raid their farm, mess with their products, take items, and site the owners with stupid fines and tickets for mislabeling or whatever they can think of to hinder them. They only care about the big pasteurization dairy's that control most of the market, and not the little guys. As insulting as you are to claim I haven't thought things through and that I am a 'sheep,' I must disagree with your writing. I insist you try and act like you have gotten out of highschool at least. I have taken the liberty of correcting your post to be somewhat correct grammatically. Big business does not have the pull everyone seems to think. They can only do so much before someone says "no way." Nothing is going to put the hometown farmer out of business other then the lousy cost of food. In fact, assuming a farmer is allowed to do produce meat because they haven't done anything wrong, they'll be able to fetch a better price with S510 in place. The reason unpasteurized milk farmers get in trouble is usually unpasteurized milk has higher amounts of contaminants which means that they are more likely to fail checks for safety, and more likely to sell poorly, not to mention they usually have to sell it themselves meaning they don't get a nice fat subsidization check. You foolishly assume that Big companies use the filthiest possible containment possible so as to ruin the milk and meat and have nothing better to do then destroy small farms, when the truth is that they are usually too busy with each other to bother with dirt farmers who rely on the government to get enough to pay their taxes and fall further into debt each year because while their costs increase, the price of food decreases. GMO is not a bad thing. In fact, assume that all meat is Genetically modified, since your not eating wild animals. The first genetic modifications started occuring once humans realized breeding two big animals usually made their babies bigger. This is really no different other then in scale. They are just able to pick and choose what goes into the babies. This means that they can breed bigger beefier cows for less, all the while not having to use steriods and less medicine. i understand your fears of antibiotics and steriod use, since they are bad. But this bill has very little to do with that, and is more aimed at things like mad cow disease and other nasty food borne illnesses then at keeping the little farmer down so that there is less actual food to go around. The big companies will remain in power no matter what, unless they really muck up, because America is afraid to fall in place, so they stagnate our economy with bailouts rather then letting mega-companies face the music when they flounder and fail. I have to say, truther, you have perhaps the worst understanding of how to keep people placated that I have ever seen. Usually one tries to give people access to luxury goods then to deprieve them of life needs such as food. People start really wanting change when life needs are scarce, and such things have destroyed nations. On the other hand, never has a nation completely shrunk and died from having too many luxuries while they had all they needed of life needs. They complain and whine, but they don't rebel. Much like right now, they merely whine and complain. Anyone who thinks a revolution is coming is just being silly. A revolution will come once the middle class and upper class start to fall. The middle class collapsing will bring riots, and the upper class will bring order and meaning to them. It won't happen since we are fairly well prepared nation, so you might not wish to worry about it. Anyways, I'd be more worried about the competency of people in the government then what a simple food bill is going to do. Seriously, our government is full of gladhanders, dirtbags, and guys who just want money rather then people who want to make a change.
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Posted: Sat Nov 27, 2010 3:16 pm
padfu TrutherMei padfu This does not ban people from buying raw meat, just from selling said meat if the government tells them not to. It won't stop anyone who is already selling a quality product to go out of business. The big companies won't be abusing it to stop your neighborhood meat salesman unless he happens to belong to a giant collective that could threaten a company. Chances are, no one will notice the change other then a few other countries being unable to sell and the price of food getting a slight raise due to a slightly impeded supply. No magic Food Czar's able to stop the common man, no government conspiracy that serves no purpose, and no foul play. So if the government says only the top four companies that produce seventy-five percent of the cow meat in America, the top four for pigs and top four for chickens, are the only companies allowed to sell meat, that does not sound good at all man. You are not thinking this through. I don't want to eat ammonia, GMO, antibiotic, steroid, and growth hormone injected meat. I want natural meat the way nature intended it, from the local farmer, but he's not allowed to sell it? What makes you think he's going to be able to carry on selling his meat and get away with it years down the road? He's NOT. The government agencies are going to catch up to him soon enough and then there will be no choice left for me in the land of the free. And you are OK with this and see no problem with it? Wow you're a sheep. They already do the same thing to people legally producing raw milk. they pester them, raid their farm, mess with their products, take items, and site the owners with stupid fines and tickets for mislabeling or whatever they can think of to hinder them. They only care about the big pasteurization dairy's that control most of the market, and not the little guys. As insulting as you are to claim I haven't thought things through and that I am a 'sheep,' I must disagree with your writing. I insist you try and act like you have gotten out of highschool at least. I have taken the liberty of correcting your post to be somewhat correct grammatically. Big business does not have the pull everyone seems to think. They can only do so much before someone says "no way." Nothing is going to put the hometown farmer out of business other then the lousy cost of food. In fact, assuming a farmer is allowed to do produce meat because they haven't done anything wrong, they'll be able to fetch a better price with S510 in place. The reason unpasteurized milk farmers get in trouble is usually unpasteurized milk has higher amounts of contaminants which means that they are more likely to fail checks for safety, and more likely to sell poorly, not to mention they usually have to sell it themselves meaning they don't get a nice fat subsidization check. You foolishly assume that Big companies use the filthiest possible containment possible so as to ruin the milk and meat and have nothing better to do then destroy small farms, when the truth is that they are usually too busy with each other to bother with dirt farmers who rely on the government to get enough to pay their taxes and fall further into debt each year because while their costs increase, the price of food decreases. GMO is not a bad thing. In fact, assume that all meat is Genetically modified, since your not eating wild animals. The first genetic modifications started occuring once humans realized breeding two big animals usually made their babies bigger. This is really no different other then in scale. They are just able to pick and choose what goes into the babies. This means that they can breed bigger beefier cows for less, all the while not having to use steriods and less medicine. i understand your fears of antibiotics and steriod use, since they are bad. But this bill has very little to do with that, and is more aimed at things like mad cow disease and other nasty food borne illnesses then at keeping the little farmer down so that there is less actual food to go around. The big companies will remain in power no matter what, unless they really muck up, because America is afraid to fall in place, so they stagnate our economy with bailouts rather then letting mega-companies face the music when they flounder and fail. I have to say, truther, you have perhaps the worst understanding of how to keep people placated that I have ever seen. Usually one tries to give people access to luxury goods then to deprieve them of life needs such as food. People start really wanting change when life needs are scarce, and such things have destroyed nations. On the other hand, never has a nation completely shrunk and died from having too many luxuries while they had all they needed of life needs. They complain and whine, but they don't rebel. Much like right now, they merely whine and complain. Anyone who thinks a revolution is coming is just being silly. A revolution will come once the middle class and upper class start to fall. The middle class collapsing will bring riots, and the upper class will bring order and meaning to them. It won't happen since we are fairly well prepared nation, so you might not wish to worry about it. Anyways, I'd be more worried about the competency of people in the government then what a simple food bill is going to do. Seriously, our government is full of gladhanders, dirtbags, and guys who just want money rather then people who want to make a change. ?! The middle class IS falling. The split between the rich and the poor is incredible... We are a prepared nation? How so? Most people live in apartments with not enough food, water, or means to live even a week without leaving their homes. Most people do not even know what the government does, and definitely don't know about this food bill. How is that being prepared? GMO isn't just about selective breeding - it's about INJECTING HUMAN/ANIMAL/FISH/WHATEVER's DNA into the seeds and into the animals in order to make them gain a new trait... such as making corn produce it's own pesticide... (which is not only making bugs stay away from the crops, but is degrading hte soil, harming those around the crops, spreading to other crops, making insects die and/or becoming more resiliant to the pecticides - and also BEING INGESTED BY US. a pesticide. ingested by us. in massive quantities. have fun fixing my grammar too~ you say the bill has nothing to do with monsanto and it's gmo stuff anyway - BUT if small farmers are forced to pay high costs for FDA approval and routine checks or whatever - that's money they already have a hard time getting... why? because they spend more money on quality animals and quality feed. not on cheap gmo corn feed for their cows.. or squishing thousands of animals in a tiny farm.. and trying to reply on drugs to keep the animals 'safe'... as truthermei said and i said before - it's organic farms that have less problems than big farms... their animals are proven to be healthier and crops more nutritionally packed. If we were taught how to properly store and handle foods - even less 'outbreaks' would happen. Unfortunately - public schools don't teach you what you need to know to actually survive~
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Posted: Sat Nov 27, 2010 8:11 pm
ammaea padfu TrutherMei padfu This does not ban people from buying raw meat, just from selling said meat if the government tells them not to. It won't stop anyone who is already selling a quality product to go out of business. The big companies won't be abusing it to stop your neighborhood meat salesman unless he happens to belong to a giant collective that could threaten a company. Chances are, no one will notice the change other then a few other countries being unable to sell and the price of food getting a slight raise due to a slightly impeded supply. No magic Food Czar's able to stop the common man, no government conspiracy that serves no purpose, and no foul play. So if the government says only the top four companies that produce seventy-five percent of the cow meat in America, the top four for pigs and top four for chickens, are the only companies allowed to sell meat, that does not sound good at all man. You are not thinking this through. I don't want to eat ammonia, GMO, antibiotic, steroid, and growth hormone injected meat. I want natural meat the way nature intended it, from the local farmer, but he's not allowed to sell it? What makes you think he's going to be able to carry on selling his meat and get away with it years down the road? He's NOT. The government agencies are going to catch up to him soon enough and then there will be no choice left for me in the land of the free. And you are OK with this and see no problem with it? Wow you're a sheep. They already do the same thing to people legally producing raw milk. they pester them, raid their farm, mess with their products, take items, and site the owners with stupid fines and tickets for mislabeling or whatever they can think of to hinder them. They only care about the big pasteurization dairy's that control most of the market, and not the little guys. As insulting as you are to claim I haven't thought things through and that I am a 'sheep,' I must disagree with your writing. I insist you try and act like you have gotten out of highschool at least. I have taken the liberty of correcting your post to be somewhat correct grammatically. Big business does not have the pull everyone seems to think. They can only do so much before someone says "no way." Nothing is going to put the hometown farmer out of business other then the lousy cost of food. In fact, assuming a farmer is allowed to do produce meat because they haven't done anything wrong, they'll be able to fetch a better price with S510 in place. The reason unpasteurized milk farmers get in trouble is usually unpasteurized milk has higher amounts of contaminants which means that they are more likely to fail checks for safety, and more likely to sell poorly, not to mention they usually have to sell it themselves meaning they don't get a nice fat subsidization check. You foolishly assume that Big companies use the filthiest possible containment possible so as to ruin the milk and meat and have nothing better to do then destroy small farms, when the truth is that they are usually too busy with each other to bother with dirt farmers who rely on the government to get enough to pay their taxes and fall further into debt each year because while their costs increase, the price of food decreases. GMO is not a bad thing. In fact, assume that all meat is Genetically modified, since your not eating wild animals. The first genetic modifications started occuring once humans realized breeding two big animals usually made their babies bigger. This is really no different other then in scale. They are just able to pick and choose what goes into the babies. This means that they can breed bigger beefier cows for less, all the while not having to use steriods and less medicine. i understand your fears of antibiotics and steriod use, since they are bad. But this bill has very little to do with that, and is more aimed at things like mad cow disease and other nasty food borne illnesses then at keeping the little farmer down so that there is less actual food to go around. The big companies will remain in power no matter what, unless they really muck up, because America is afraid to fall in place, so they stagnate our economy with bailouts rather then letting mega-companies face the music when they flounder and fail. I have to say, truther, you have perhaps the worst understanding of how to keep people placated that I have ever seen. Usually one tries to give people access to luxury goods then to deprieve them of life needs such as food. People start really wanting change when life needs are scarce, and such things have destroyed nations. On the other hand, never has a nation completely shrunk and died from having too many luxuries while they had all they needed of life needs. They complain and whine, but they don't rebel. Much like right now, they merely whine and complain. Anyone who thinks a revolution is coming is just being silly. A revolution will come once the middle class and upper class start to fall. The middle class collapsing will bring riots, and the upper class will bring order and meaning to them. It won't happen since we are fairly well prepared nation, so you might not wish to worry about it. Anyways, I'd be more worried about the competency of people in the government then what a simple food bill is going to do. Seriously, our government is full of gladhanders, dirtbags, and guys who just want money rather then people who want to make a change. ?! The middle class IS falling. The split between the rich and the poor is incredible... We are a prepared nation? How so? Most people live in apartments with not enough food, water, or means to live even a week without leaving their homes. Most people do not even know what the government does, and definitely don't know about this food bill. How is that being prepared? GMO isn't just about selective breeding - it's about INJECTING HUMAN/ANIMAL/FISH/WHATEVER's DNA into the seeds and into the animals in order to make them gain a new trait... such as making corn produce it's own pesticide... (which is not only making bugs stay away from the crops, but is degrading hte soil, harming those around the crops, spreading to other crops, making insects die and/or becoming more resiliant to the pecticides - and also BEING INGESTED BY US. a pesticide. ingested by us. in massive quantities. have fun fixing my grammar too~ you say the bill has nothing to do with monsanto and it's gmo stuff anyway - BUT if small farmers are forced to pay high costs for FDA approval and routine checks or whatever - that's money they already have a hard time getting... why? because they spend more money on quality animals and quality feed. not on cheap gmo corn feed for their cows.. or squishing thousands of animals in a tiny farm.. and trying to reply on drugs to keep the animals 'safe'... as truthermei said and i said before - it's organic farms that have less problems than big farms... their animals are proven to be healthier and crops more nutritionally packed. If we were taught how to properly store and handle foods - even less 'outbreaks' would happen. Unfortunately - public schools don't teach you what you need to know to actually survive~ There is however still a middle class. we don't have much poverty in it, we have a bunch of idiots who spend too much and then complain the government doesn't help them. That's not the middle class falling. That's people who don't have the money for their guilty pleasures indulging them anyways. Most people are eating food, drinking water, and crying about how they are so deep in debt after buying their 3DTVs, high end microcomputer, Xboxs, Playstations, and Wiis that they don't try to remedy. For an example of what it takes to change a regime you should look at post-WWI Germany's economic status. No GMO is not the random magic bullit of additions of whatever the hell they want, it is altering the DNA sequence of creature. Carefully studied changes that cost far too much to research then they will get out of it for years. Improper tests can cause problems, as Monsanto can testify that not studying the effects properly is a bad idea. Mutation of food is not easily accomplished, and is a subtle art that if one goes to far with, can cause systematic failure if rejected by the organism being modified. It's not easy, and it is expensive. GMO is a fancy option not available to normal farmers because it costs a lot of money to do. Though I figure I was wrong. this has plenty to do with GMO's. This will help stop things like the Mosanto issue since the government will be able to stop people from doing things like that without proper testing. Testing and such is most likely state funded, just like drug testing on atheletes. Speaking of your truther's statement, why do you say a small farmer, with worse economic status, and is thus less likely to be able to afford proper living space for their livestock is more likely to have properly taken care of livestock then a well-funded extremely large farm with the ability to afford enough land, and vetrinary care to keep the animals healthy is likely to afford.
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Posted: Sat Nov 27, 2010 9:57 pm
ammaea I'm definitely not saying there shouldn't be standard practices to keep contamination down... Just sayin that most of the issues are caused by the FDA slacking off on routine checks and (almost it seems Allowing it to happen, not minimizing outbreaks by re-calling soon enough, ), and that the LEAST amount of issues are with smaller farms - especially organic dairy and meats... 'all the recent salmonella outbreaks' how many have there even been? how many people have died from it? how many people are going to die in the next generation or two from an ever-increasing disease and immune deficiencies if all we are ALLOWED to buy and eat are foods tainted with chemicals and toxins and lack nutritional value... The FDA may have been established to 'keep us safe' but it's doing a damn lousy job.. and the government should be stepping in. oh but wait - they're in for the money too. and being healthy doesn't rake in the money~ fact: bacteria is everywhere... running small farms out of business isn't gonna change that another fact: you body is made to deal with it when given the right fuel another fact (using the raw milk being banned thing): harmful bacteria has been found more in pasteurized milk causing more issues. AND pasteurizing it kills all the GOOD bacteria that HELP your immune system. I've read many reports that speak of the FDA/whoever letting the egg scandal go on.. or about meat that wasn't good but they knew of it.... false flags.. etc.. getting the public to think it's a huge issue without giving them all the facts first. The next step after pwning all the farms is to add a clause to the bill stating that also to keep our food safe that it must all be irradiated (already in the works!). It's disgusting. please read more on the issue. that's all I ask for really. stop the bill so that more people can hear about it first. rather than keeping it form the general public and passing it without anyone seeing. No one will even know it happened.... k i'm done now. O_O;; Go to Google and search for "salmonella outbreak" and see how much comes up. That should give you an idea. The FDA does a shitty job because they're basically told to regulate everything we consume but aren't given the resources to reliably regulate even a fraction of what they're supposed to. If you want that to change then maybe write your congressman and ask them to work for more funding for the FDA. How are we expected to stop this bill? The public has little to no control over legislation. Besides, reading what padfu has written makes me think this bill is most likely a good thing.
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Posted: Sun Nov 28, 2010 9:21 pm
Obscurus ammaea I'm definitely not saying there shouldn't be standard practices to keep contamination down... Just sayin that most of the issues are caused by the FDA slacking off on routine checks and (almost it seems Allowing it to happen, not minimizing outbreaks by re-calling soon enough, ), and that the LEAST amount of issues are with smaller farms - especially organic dairy and meats... 'all the recent salmonella outbreaks' how many have there even been? how many people have died from it? how many people are going to die in the next generation or two from an ever-increasing disease and immune deficiencies if all we are ALLOWED to buy and eat are foods tainted with chemicals and toxins and lack nutritional value... The FDA may have been established to 'keep us safe' but it's doing a damn lousy job.. and the government should be stepping in. oh but wait - they're in for the money too. and being healthy doesn't rake in the money~ fact: bacteria is everywhere... running small farms out of business isn't gonna change that another fact: you body is made to deal with it when given the right fuel another fact (using the raw milk being banned thing): harmful bacteria has been found more in pasteurized milk causing more issues. AND pasteurizing it kills all the GOOD bacteria that HELP your immune system. I've read many reports that speak of the FDA/whoever letting the egg scandal go on.. or about meat that wasn't good but they knew of it.... false flags.. etc.. getting the public to think it's a huge issue without giving them all the facts first. The next step after pwning all the farms is to add a clause to the bill stating that also to keep our food safe that it must all be irradiated (already in the works!). It's disgusting. please read more on the issue. that's all I ask for really. stop the bill so that more people can hear about it first. rather than keeping it form the general public and passing it without anyone seeing. No one will even know it happened.... k i'm done now. O_O;; Go to Google and search for "salmonella outbreak" and see how much comes up. That should give you an idea. The FDA does a shitty job because they're basically told to regulate everything we consume but aren't given the resources to reliably regulate even a fraction of what they're supposed to. If you want that to change then maybe write your congressman and ask them to work for more funding for the FDA. How are we expected to stop this bill? The public has little to no control over legislation. Besides, reading what padfu has written makes me think this bill is most likely a good thing. I didn't actually need an answer to salmonella outbreak info. Google 'FDA ignored salmonella' or similar and you'll see the other side too. The FDA could easily hire more food inspectors... if it wanted to. The general public isn't complaining enough... when they really should be. Especially when in no time here we will ALL be FORCED into eating all genetically modified, chemically 'enhanced', grossly preserved, dead food with no nutritional value at all because it's been grown in the worst conditions then has been irradiated and homogenized and god knows what else is going to be throw in next.... You ask how to be expected to stop this bill?..... I can't see reason to NOT stop it.. I really can't.... Even just so it can be rethought out - and more of the public informed about it. (if someone wanted to poison the food directly, they'd be able to get it past the FDA, with or without this bill - keeping our food 'safe' really isn't the issue. Whereas lying to the public, withholding information, putting stuff in our food that shouldn't be there(other countries have already banned certain preservatives b/c they're bad), poisoning the soil and air, speaking of mass de-population.... man I could go on and on. I'm in Canada btw, the bill is for the US. If i could call my 'congressman' I would. I would every day. And I would get everyone else I know to do the same. There are TONS of sites from the past 6 or 8 months about small farms that are likely to go out of business because of this bill - or have to switch to specially funded gmo crops just so they can afford it.. I buy quite a bit of organic stuff and products from smaller businesses. And I really don't want to HAVE to eat food with chemicals and crap in it. It's my friggin RIGHT to be able to buy food like that. Growing a garden takes up a lot of time and knowledge - something that most people are lacking in this day where you get barely any money for your time worked. If people can't grow gardens in their backyards and sell the extra's for profits - they won't be able to afford giving the time to grow them in the first place... A lot of people rely on that. People who grow organically but can't afford the price of certification.. I really like my foods without contaminants proven to harm the body and my children and even my children's children. Whatever my daughter eats is helping to make her ovaries and shizz grow properly - without proper nutrients - guh. I don't want to have to think about a sterile world ~ but unfortunately, sometimes thinking about bad things is a good thing. Too many people are caught up in the present. Anywayyy. Those are just a few examples. You can have your own opinion, yes, but I just really urge you to look at it from a different point of view.. :/ The public would have a lot of control if they actually did something... it's just the herd mentality 'oh, someone else will do it' etc... *shrug* anyway, it's cool you're even debating it one way or the other. ^^ at least that's somethin biggrin
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Posted: Sun Nov 28, 2010 9:23 pm
It's a lot the public's fault too - not just the FDA
need to vote with your money. spend a little extra on stuff that you ought to be.
go to farmers markets, etc
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Posted: Sun Nov 28, 2010 9:37 pm
ammaea I didn't actually need an answer to salmonella outbreak info. Google 'FDA ignored salmonella' or similar and you'll see the other side too. The FDA could easily hire more food inspectors... if it wanted to. The general public isn't complaining enough... when they really should be. Especially when in no time here we will ALL be FORCED into eating all genetically modified, chemically 'enhanced', grossly preserved, dead food with no nutritional value at all because it's been grown in the worst conditions then has been irradiated and homogenized and god knows what else is going to be throw in next.... You ask how to be expected to stop this bill?..... I can't see reason to NOT stop it.. I really can't.... Even just so it can be rethought out - and more of the public informed about it. (if someone wanted to poison the food directly, they'd be able to get it past the FDA, with or without this bill - keeping our food 'safe' really isn't the issue. Whereas lying to the public, withholding information, putting stuff in our food that shouldn't be there(other countries have already banned certain preservatives b/c they're bad), poisoning the soil and air, speaking of mass de-population.... man I could go on and on. I'm in Canada btw, the bill is for the US. If i could call my 'congressman' I would. I would every day. And I would get everyone else I know to do the same. There are TONS of sites from the past 6 or 8 months about small farms that are likely to go out of business because of this bill - or have to switch to specially funded gmo crops just so they can afford it.. I buy quite a bit of organic stuff and products from smaller businesses. And I really don't want to HAVE to eat food with chemicals and crap in it. It's my friggin RIGHT to be able to buy food like that. Growing a garden takes up a lot of time and knowledge - something that most people are lacking in this day where you get barely any money for your time worked. If people can't grow gardens in their backyards and sell the extra's for profits - they won't be able to afford giving the time to grow them in the first place... A lot of people rely on that. People who grow organically but can't afford the price of certification.. I really like my foods without contaminants proven to harm the body and my children and even my children's children. Whatever my daughter eats is helping to make her ovaries and shizz grow properly - without proper nutrients - guh. I don't want to have to think about a sterile world ~ but unfortunately, sometimes thinking about bad things is a good thing. Too many people are caught up in the present. Anywayyy. Those are just a few examples. You can have your own opinion, yes, but I just really urge you to look at it from a different point of view.. :/ The public would have a lot of control if they actually did something... it's just the herd mentality 'oh, someone else will do it' etc... *shrug* anyway, it's cool you're even debating it one way or the other. ^^ at least that's somethin biggrin I've bolded the most relevant part of your post. I question the validity of your perspective.
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Posted: Sun Nov 28, 2010 11:44 pm
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Posted: Mon Nov 29, 2010 6:10 am
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Posted: Mon Nov 29, 2010 9:23 pm
ammaea umm? why? I wonder why being Canadian has anything to do with it? Do I not eat food? Do I not care for my family/the human race? It's not a Canadian law and it doesn't affect the Canadian food supply (except for imports) or Canadian producers (except for those that export). You don't strike me as the type that buys the food that's been prepared for import. I think that the whole issue has been blown out of proportion anyway.
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Posted: Mon Nov 29, 2010 10:14 pm
Obscurus ammaea umm? why? I wonder why being Canadian has anything to do with it? Do I not eat food? Do I not care for my family/the human race? It's not a Canadian law and it doesn't affect the Canadian food supply (except for imports) or Canadian producers (except for those that export). You don't strike me as the type that buys the food that's been prepared for import. I think that the whole issue has been blown out of proportion anyway. As I said previously, a lot of our food is imported. It's not like Canada's climate can support all the foods we need, and a lot is exported~ I also said that whatever happens in the states affects us too. Whether directly by making certain foods completely unavailable or simply more costly; orrr down the road where Canada somehow follows suit with trying to ban things like this. Even though I can't vote against it - those in the States can. or could have. The final vote is supposedly tomorrow... and it doesn't look good :/
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Posted: Tue Nov 30, 2010 3:17 pm
Despite massive protests, US Senate passes S 510 Food Safety Bill http://www.naturalnews.com/030576_Food_Safety_S_510.htmlThe bill passed 73 to 25 This bill, as originally written, would have outlawed most nutritional supplements through "harmonization" with European laws. It also would have authorized ten-year prison sentences for farmers selling raw milk to their neighbors. Both of those provisions were eventually stripped out of the bill thanks to some last-minute amendments. The Tester Amendment of the bill did manage to exclude some smaller farmers from the more tyrannical provisions of the bill. As currently stated, this would exclude small farms that sell less than $500,000 worth of food and which sell most of their food locally. A farm that right now produces merely $100,000 worth of food (which could be a small, two-person farm) will soon find itself producing $500,000 worth of food (or more) due to the rapidly falling value of the U.S. dollar. The Food Irradiation Plot: Why the USDA Wants to Sterilize Fresh Produce and Turn Live Foods into Dead Foods http://www.naturalnews.com/023015_food_foods_USDA.html
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