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 Posted: Fri Apr 02, 2010 9:24 pm
If I had a world of my own, everything would be nonsense.
Nothing would be what it is, because everything would be what it isn't.
I've actually considered that first part, about her being a girl who loves nonsense and then when presented with a nonsensical situation, desires to get away from it all and the characters involved and go back to the real world instead of being in her own world. I think she develops this desire, though, because when she complains about the boring-ness of the real world and says she wants her world to be nonsense, what she's intending to mean is that she just doesn't want things to be so ordinarily dull, that there's never any surprises in Life. Although she says she wishes for "nonsense," I believe she just means that she wants a bit more vivacity in Life, but doesn't know quite how to express it, so she unintentionally wishes for more than she means....
Does that make sense? No pun intended, lol
And contrary wise, what is, it wouldn't be.
And what it wouldn't be, it would. You see?
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Posted: Thu Jun 10, 2010 7:57 am
You see, a dog growls when it's angry, and wags its tail when it's pleased...
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The Caterpillar is one of the most adult-like characters in stories. He is very wise and yet almost everything he tries to explain to Alice comes out gibberish to her. She struggles to please him but keeps getting mixed up. Things that make sense to adults will most certainly NOT make sense to a child.
A note on adult hypocrisy. The Caterpillars signature phrase is "keep your temper". Yet, moments later he loses his own when he can't manage to get Alice to understand the things he says.
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 Now I growl when I'm pleased, and wag my tail when I'm angry. Therefore I'm mad.
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Posted: Thu Jun 10, 2010 8:29 am
~Advice from a Caterpillar~ Alice does love nonsense... but theoretically loving a world of nonsense is probably not the same as encountering a world of nonsense... I hope that made sense. XD
And on the subject of the Caterpillar; I think a lot of the characters represent the adult world. Alice trying to understand them is like her trying to make sense of adults. So I agree with you on that one. Its a little odd that the 'most adult' character is the larvae stage of a Lepidopteran.
Also the Caterpillar loses his temper slightly after Alice says that three inches is a wretched height to be... in the book anyway; he lost his temper a lot more in the Disney movie. You know... like shouting at her when she didn't know he was talking about the mushroom... when in the book he was rather calm about explaining it to her. That's how it seemed to me anyways.
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Posted: Fri Jun 11, 2010 3:36 pm
Toxic Alice If I had a world of my own, everything would be nonsense.
Nothing would be what it is, because everything would be what it isn't.
I've actually considered that first part, about her being a girl who loves nonsense and then when presented with a nonsensical situation, desires to get away from it all and the characters involved and go back to the real world instead of being in her own world. I think she develops this desire, though, because when she complains about the boring-ness of the real world and says she wants her world to be nonsense, what she's intending to mean is that she just doesn't want things to be so ordinarily dull, that there's never any surprises in Life. Although she says she wishes for "nonsense," I believe she just means that she wants a bit more vivacity in Life, but doesn't know quite how to express it, so she unintentionally wishes for more than she means....
Does that make sense? No pun intended, lol
And contrary wise, what is, it wouldn't be.
And what it wouldn't be, it would. You see? You see, a dog growls when it's angry, and wags its tail when it's pleased...
Ω*~*Ω*~*Ω*~*Ω
pretty much the representing the age old moral:
Be careful what you wish for
XD
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Now I growl when I'm pleased, and wag my tail when I'm angry. Therefore I'm mad.
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Posted: Fri Jun 18, 2010 3:47 pm
If I had a world of my own, everything would be nonsense.
Nothing would be what it is, because everything would be what it isn't.
I think we all agree that the Caterpillar is probably the character that is supposed to represent the height of maturity in the story, not necessarily adulthood, but perhaps the maturity level that is ideal to have been reached by the time we enter adulthood. Never really paid attention to the hypocrisy about the temper bit though Spades, that was a good catch and reference! XD And yes, Azure, what you mean about the idea of a nonsensical world and actually in one and the difference between the two is quite understandable...like Spades summed it up, "Be careful what you wish for." And that right there is one of the things adults tell children throughout their Lives, trying to help them understand that not everything they imagine is all so great as they imagine it to be, as Alice so learned in Wonderland. ^.^ And now we're basically going in circles with this question....NEXT!!!
QUESTION FOUR
The Cheshire Cat suggests that everything Alice experiences in Wonderland is a dream or the result of madness. Prefiguring Freud's theories, Carroll, in a diary entry, defined "insanity as an inability to distinguish which is the waking and which the sleeping life." Besides the obvious absurdities in imagery what other aspects of these books mimic a dream state?
And contrary wise, what is, it wouldn't be.
And what it wouldn't be, it would. You see?
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Posted: Wed Jun 23, 2010 9:17 pm
The fact that Alice possibly falls asleep at the start of Adventures in Wonderland is a dead giveaway. Also, the method of travel in Through the Looking Glass is a mirror. Dreams are like mirrors being held up to our desires and thoughts. One other thing that's very dreamy about these books is the the caterpillar. He's slow and has all this smoke surrounding him. Dreams are often foggy or unclear, and scenes with him always remind me of dreams.
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