Welcome to Gaia! ::

Well, think deeper. From your perspective it seems like a perfect being could have made it so that everyone was happy, and I'll add that it seems as if a benevolent and perfect being would have made it so that everyone was happy all the time. Then you get into questions on whether or not we could really know happiness to begin with without the sorrow and whether or not you can have perfection in something that may possibly be incomplete. Then you have to ask yourself how perfection is really defined when it comes to an omnipotent, omniscient and benevolent being which takes you back to my earlier post here on poetry and what makes a poem a masterpiece, I mean how could a perfect poem that breaks all of the rules of form and function even be perfect? Well what makes our world perfect, what makes us perfect? If I created a human being and did not give him or her their own free will but made it so for all time they would be smiling and happy, and playing with fruit in a garden, and there was no harsh reality in existence then would that be perfection to you?

You could take this in a million directions but all you come down to is the perspective of a mind that has many limitations verses that of one with no limitations.

So is it possible that perfection is there but we just have untrained or unfocused minds that are limited and cannot fully see it for what it really is? I'd say so, wouldn't you?



I'm not telling you that screwing up is a good thing, I'm telling you that what you perceive as God screwing up may not actually be screwing up. Back to the poet, if I start a sentence that is not capitalized and I'm a professional writer would you automatically assume that I screwed up or would you instead ponder that "mistake" and look for the real reason as to why I started that sentence in the way that I did?

I'm just saying that he created a universe that is seemingly infinite, in less then a week so even if he did need to rest he's pretty amazing and worth worshiping.

I think He either knew it was going to happen, but in the end everything will be worth it, or He had a plan either way. I think He gives humans more power with choice then we know, but He still knows all the paths that can be taken and is prepared for every one.

It's nothing like that. Light didn't exist at that point, so it's like it you grew up in darkness and saw light for the first time. You'd think it was a brillant idea too. Plus the light we're talking about is probably either the Big Bang or the sun...either way, it's not like we're talking about a dinky little candle you're parent lit, but this massive burning event that you designed. It was impressive, and unknown before then. If you made a star, I'd say that was impressive too, but that would be a fail. xp

We both said thinking, I believe, so what are you saying?

First of all you say you are sure God never meant to get this whole devil problem. How are you sure?

You seem to understand the poet analogy but why can't it work for God and his creation? He's the designer yet you analyze this in a way where he must follow your rules. If he's Omniscient omnipotent and benevolent than we cannot assume that your limitations apply to him.

Perfection and what you perceive to be perfection are two different things, unless of course you're one of those people who think that what is true and actual is based solely on our own perception. In that case what I perceive to be perfect would be perfect but so would your own perception of it even if they were different.

Because if God DID want to create the devil, that will surely prove my point of him being a fascist.

Wait, are we speaking of my rules or his rules?
As I recall, god is a all loving omniscient omnipotent god.
For his followers and for his loyal companions, he should lend a hand in following his own rules. You know, like not killing which he HAS done. Sure, he is a being but breaking his own rules seems pretty bad. I think that also proves my point, slightly, that he isn't perfect.

You said he was omniscient and omnipotent.
If he is technically everywhere, then why can't he do some good.
Saves some lives or whatever?
and no, not something that could be a coincidence, I mean actually going down to end something. He is, technically, like Canada when war breaks out. He is always not to be found and not involved.
You tell me that the fault of humans is really an artwork, in the end, for God. But really, from all the lives lost and how history has gone, it doesn't seem exactly perfect. You have tried to tell me that I may not know exactly what perfection is due to myself being limited, even though perfection isn't really that much of a complicated idea, yet you haven't really pointed out that your limits could also mean you are not sure if anything could be perfect.

Ever here the phrase "Satisfy someone and disappoint another".
It stands for the concept that each action has a negative force on something. If a fan spins, it provides comforting cool air but depletes electrical energy.

Unless, of course, we cause our own problems and God is simply observing. God did not orchestrate our stupidity, we fall into it largely because of greed.