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 Posted: Fri Mar 05, 2010 10:26 pm
xxEternallyBluexx Semiremis "Man is the Religious Animal. He is the only Religious Ani mal. He is the only animal that has the True Religion, several of them." LOL. I might have to quote him on that...too funny. So humans need a savior because they are not the higher species? Because they're so clearly impaired that even someone who wasn't trying to make that point made it. And I know! I'm not just posting this for argument's sake. Mark Twain rocks! XD Sorry, I still don't get how you can jump from "we are in need of this" therefore "we get this" I don't think anyone would claim that humans are always and in every case wonderful caring and loving creatures, but the existence of the sad depraved monster doesn't prove the existence of the omnipotent omniscient and benevolent monster savior.
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Posted: Fri Mar 05, 2010 10:27 pm
xxEternallyBluexx In Medias Res IV xxEternallyBluexx In Medias Res IV Dude, you can't use Mark Twain to validate the Bible. The dude went to the Judaean desert and wrote a string of confused paragraphs about it in his travels. This is like trying to validate the Bible because Madonna had that "like a virgin" song. I don't see why not, if he makes a good point. Plus I think the story has a bit more depth then Madonna's song. Plus that's my opinion. I'm allowed that unless I say something obscene. Saying that your beliefs are fact because Mark Twain says so is obscene. He's worse than trying to prove that Josephus wrote about James, and thus Jesus was real. I'm not arguing with you. I didn't say that, I never called my opinion fact, and I still haven't forgotten what you said in that one topic. "For me this confirms that sinning really as bad as the Bible makes it out to be, and our race needs a Savior. What do you make of it though? " I'm telling you exactly what I make of this. Forgotten what? My evidence for homosexuality NOT being a sin by any means, and you not being able to back yourself up, thus making you look not only uneducated in scripture, but a bigot?
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Posted: Fri Mar 05, 2010 10:28 pm
DaikonNairu -Ren- In Medias Res IV xxEternallyBluexx DaikonNairu -Ren- (Note: Did not read long string of text. Has short attention span.) Mark Twain is well known for his satire. I'm not sure that was what he meant to express when he wrote this. But, as I just said, I didn't read it so I can't say for sure. But going off his reputation, I don't think that's what he meant. Probably not, but I draw my own conclusions from things rather then trying to go by what the author meant. Whatever he meant, it's an interesting work, and it can be used as evidence for my own beliefs. No, it can't. Text does not fuel archaeology. You can't say something is fact based on fictional writings. EDIT: I'm going to prove communism is bad based on George Orwell. See what I mean? I'd also like to add onto that, that you can't look for evidence to support your own belief/theory but then disregard any other evidence to the contrary. Actually I am able to look for certain information and then disregard other information if I so choose to. I try not to disregard information, but do I look for evidences for my own belief? Yes. Why wouldn't I?
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Posted: Fri Mar 05, 2010 10:30 pm
Semiremis ... but the existence of the sad depraved monster doesn't prove the existence of the omnipotent omniscient and benevolent monster savior. On the subject of the "depraved monster". If God made man in His own image, then doesn't that mean that every depraved and villainous human trait is a trait that also exists within God?
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Posted: Fri Mar 05, 2010 10:30 pm
xxEternallyBluexx DaikonNairu -Ren- In Medias Res IV xxEternallyBluexx DaikonNairu -Ren- (Note: Did not read long string of text. Has short attention span.) Mark Twain is well known for his satire. I'm not sure that was what he meant to express when he wrote this. But, as I just said, I didn't read it so I can't say for sure. But going off his reputation, I don't think that's what he meant. Probably not, but I draw my own conclusions from things rather then trying to go by what the author meant. Whatever he meant, it's an interesting work, and it can be used as evidence for my own beliefs. No, it can't. Text does not fuel archaeology. You can't say something is fact based on fictional writings. EDIT: I'm going to prove communism is bad based on George Orwell. See what I mean? I'd also like to add onto that, that you can't look for evidence to support your own belief/theory but then disregard any other evidence to the contrary. Actually I am able to look for certain information and then disregard other information if I so choose to. I try not to disregard information, but do I look for evidences for my own belief? Yes. Why wouldn't I? That's horrible! As an historian/archaeologist, if I were to disregard evidence, I'd be made a mockery of in academia.
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Posted: Fri Mar 05, 2010 10:34 pm
In Medias Res IV That's horrible! As an historian/archaeologist, if I were to disregard evidence, I'd be made a mockery of in academia. Same goes for everybody who works in the various fields of science and history. Evidence is evidence whether we agree with it or not.
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Posted: Fri Mar 05, 2010 10:35 pm
In Medias Res IV xxEternallyBluexx In Medias Res IV xxEternallyBluexx In Medias Res IV Dude, you can't use Mark Twain to validate the Bible. The dude went to the Judaean desert and wrote a string of confused paragraphs about it in his travels. This is like trying to validate the Bible because Madonna had that "like a virgin" song. I don't see why not, if he makes a good point. Plus I think the story has a bit more depth then Madonna's song. Plus that's my opinion. I'm allowed that unless I say something obscene. Saying that your beliefs are fact because Mark Twain says so is obscene. He's worse than trying to prove that Josephus wrote about James, and thus Jesus was real. I'm not arguing with you. I didn't say that, I never called my opinion fact, and I still haven't forgotten what you said in that one topic. " For me this confirms that sinning really as bad as the Bible makes it out to be, and our race needs a Savior. What do you make of it though? " I'm telling you exactly what I make of this. Forgotten what? My evidence for homosexuality NOT being a sin by any means, and you not being able to back yourself up, thus making you look not only uneducated in scripture, but a bigot? Opinion, that's what. This backs up an opinion. My opinions may not be fact. Forgotten that you don't read posts that are too long or seem foolish. You don't really pay attention to people's opinions, and are probably only looking for ways to put people down.
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Posted: Fri Mar 05, 2010 10:36 pm
In Medias Res IV xxEternallyBluexx DaikonNairu -Ren- In Medias Res IV xxEternallyBluexx DaikonNairu -Ren- (Note: Did not read long string of text. Has short attention span.) Mark Twain is well known for his satire. I'm not sure that was what he meant to express when he wrote this. But, as I just said, I didn't read it so I can't say for sure. But going off his reputation, I don't think that's what he meant. Probably not, but I draw my own conclusions from things rather then trying to go by what the author meant. Whatever he meant, it's an interesting work, and it can be used as evidence for my own beliefs. No, it can't. Text does not fuel archaeology. You can't say something is fact based on fictional writings. EDIT: I'm going to prove communism is bad based on George Orwell. See what I mean? I'd also like to add onto that, that you can't look for evidence to support your own belief/theory but then disregard any other evidence to the contrary. Actually I am able to look for certain information and then disregard other information if I so choose to. I try not to disregard information, but do I look for evidences for my own belief? Yes. Why wouldn't I? That's horrible! As an historian/archaeologist, if I were to disregard evidence, I'd be made a mockery of in academia. O_o I just said I try not to do that. You really don't pay attention, do you?
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Posted: Fri Mar 05, 2010 10:38 pm
xxEternallyBluexx In Medias Res IV xxEternallyBluexx In Medias Res IV xxEternallyBluexx In Medias Res IV Dude, you can't use Mark Twain to validate the Bible. The dude went to the Judaean desert and wrote a string of confused paragraphs about it in his travels. This is like trying to validate the Bible because Madonna had that "like a virgin" song. I don't see why not, if he makes a good point. Plus I think the story has a bit more depth then Madonna's song. Plus that's my opinion. I'm allowed that unless I say something obscene. Saying that your beliefs are fact because Mark Twain says so is obscene. He's worse than trying to prove that Josephus wrote about James, and thus Jesus was real. I'm not arguing with you. I didn't say that, I never called my opinion fact, and I still haven't forgotten what you said in that one topic. " For me this confirms that sinning really as bad as the Bible makes it out to be, and our race needs a Savior. What do you make of it though? " I'm telling you exactly what I make of this. Forgotten what? My evidence for homosexuality NOT being a sin by any means, and you not being able to back yourself up, thus making you look not only uneducated in scripture, but a bigot? Opinion, that's what. This backs up an opinion. My opinions may not be fact. Forgotten that you don't read posts that are too long or seem foolish. You don't really pay attention to people's opinions, and are probably only looking for ways to put people down. I read them, I just don't respond because I realise that I can't make people change their opinions. My opinions are based on fact, unlike yours. My opinions are based on the proper Hebrew and context of writings, not dogma and tradition. Your responses regarding homosexuality /are/ foolish, since you don't understand Jewish writings, or the Biblical Hebrew that Torah was written in.
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Posted: Fri Mar 05, 2010 10:39 pm
xxEternallyBluexx ... and are probably only looking for ways to put people down. Lets not start this. Its just a big noisy mess. None of us was looking to put you down, Bluexx, we just don't agree with you and are posing arguments to support our opinions. No one is attacking anyone personally, just each other's arguments.
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Posted: Fri Mar 05, 2010 10:39 pm
Semiremis Sorry, I still don't get how you can jump from "we are in need of this" therefore "we get this" I don't think anyone would claim that humans are always and in every case wonderful caring and loving creatures, but the existence of the sad depraved monster doesn't prove the existence of the omnipotent omniscient and benevolent monster savior. Oh, it doesn't prove we have help. It just proves there's something very wrong with us, and we need help. I'm sorry, did I imply that? sweatdrop
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Posted: Fri Mar 05, 2010 10:40 pm
DaikonNairu -Ren- xxEternallyBluexx ... and are probably only looking for ways to put people down. Lets not start this. Its just a big noisy mess. None of us was looking to put you down, Bluexx, we just don't agree with you and are posing arguments to support our opinions. No one is attacking anyone personally, just each other's arguments. I might have, in my last post, but I'm losing my patience. I'm not looking to put her down though, she dislikes me and I'm starting to think it's because my people killed Jesus.
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Posted: Fri Mar 05, 2010 10:43 pm
DaikonNairu -Ren- xxEternallyBluexx ... and are probably only looking for ways to put people down. Lets not start this. Its just a big noisy mess. None of us was looking to put you down, Bluexx, we just don't agree with you and are posing arguments to support our opinions. No one is attacking anyone personally, just each other's arguments. Okay, I don't really want to either (though I do still think IMR looks to attack people, or at least that she used to. She called me an 'uneducated bigot', for one thing, and she's been insulting in either topics).
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Posted: Fri Mar 05, 2010 10:43 pm
In Medias Res IV I'm not looking to put her down though, she dislikes me and I'm starting to think it's because my people killed Jesus. Unless you're a Roman, Italian your people didn't kill Jesus.
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Posted: Fri Mar 05, 2010 10:43 pm
xxEternallyBluexx DaikonNairu -Ren- xxEternallyBluexx ... and are probably only looking for ways to put people down. Lets not start this. Its just a big noisy mess. None of us was looking to put you down, Bluexx, we just don't agree with you and are posing arguments to support our opinions. No one is attacking anyone personally, just each other's arguments. Okay, I don't really want to either (though I do still think IMR looks to attack people, or at least that she used to. She called me an 'uneducated bigot', for one thing, and she's been insulting in either topics). You spammed my profile about how I am sinning by being gay, how I need to accept Jesus, and how Jews are going to Hell!
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