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 Posted: Fri Mar 05, 2010 6:39 pm
Im A Little Pea Someoneiknow Then how is it fair that a man has to pay child support for 18 years? 18 years is a lot longer than a fat gut for 9 months. Because during those 18 years the mother doesn't have to spend much of her time and money for the child? Pregnancy means your whole life is changing. It doesn't end at child-birth. It's only the beginning. Paying child support is much easier than raising a child, especially on your own, mind you. Really, dragging a woman who want to have a baby to have an abortion by force is a brutal thing to do. So is making a woman carry and give birth to a child she doesn't want. I'm saying why isn't there an opt out for the father? The mother can have the baby DNA tested to prove the father and then have him court ordered to pay child support. If he didn't want the child, why can't he just sign an affidavit saying I don't want to be the father of this child, while a mother can just get her insides scrambled and there ya go, no more baby option.
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Posted: Fri Mar 05, 2010 6:41 pm
zabazor It is not in their body, so I think they should have no say. Now if we can implant the child in the male urethra (largest part of the sex organ other than the scrotum) then he can have the choice. The baby is not the woman's body either. So why should they have the say if the child gets to die or not.
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Posted: Fri Mar 05, 2010 7:12 pm
Someoneiknow zabazor It is not in their body, so I think they should have no say. Now if we can implant the child in the male urethra (largest part of the sex organ other than the scrotum) then he can have the choice. The baby is not the woman's body either. So why should they have the say if the child gets to die or not. No, the baby is not her body but it is a parasite. It takes from her body to nurish itself. If the women does not want the baby, it's stealing from her. If it was a bug or something doing that, would you issue with her taking medicine to get rid of the parasite?
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Posted: Fri Mar 05, 2010 7:53 pm
Shiori Miko Someoneiknow zabazor It is not in their body, so I think they should have no say. Now if we can implant the child in the male urethra (largest part of the sex organ other than the scrotum) then he can have the choice. The baby is not the woman's body either. So why should they have the say if the child gets to die or not. No, the baby is not her body but it is a parasite. It takes from her body to nurish itself. If the women does not want the baby, it's stealing from her. If it was a bug or something doing that, would you issue with her taking medicine to get rid of the parasite? but it's not a bug... It's human.
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Posted: Fri Mar 05, 2010 8:42 pm
I don't think either should get a choice unless there's a health reason. I'm pro-life, and I think if they brought the kid into the world they have to be responsible for it.
And on a personal note, my dad has gotten out of paying child support until very recently, and I always felt that was unfair towards my mom, so I'm rather disgusted by the idea of a man getting to choose not to take care of his child. razz
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Posted: Fri Mar 05, 2010 8:43 pm
zabazor It is not in their body, so I think they should have no say. Now if we can implant the child in the male urethra (largest part of the sex organ other than the scrotum) then he can have the choice. Ow. sad Most strongly. Do. Not. Want. (Let her do whatever she wants with the thing.)
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Posted: Fri Mar 05, 2010 8:44 pm
xxEternallyBluexx and I think if they brought the kid into the world they have to be responsible for it.P I disagree. There are some people in this world that just should not be aloud to raise a child.
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Posted: Fri Mar 05, 2010 9:01 pm
Semiremis Shiori Miko Someoneiknow zabazor It is not in their body, so I think they should have no say. Now if we can implant the child in the male urethra (largest part of the sex organ other than the scrotum) then he can have the choice. The baby is not the woman's body either. So why should they have the say if the child gets to die or not. No, the baby is not her body but it is a parasite. It takes from her body to nurish itself. If the women does not want the baby, it's stealing from her. If it was a bug or something doing that, would you issue with her taking medicine to get rid of the parasite? but it's not a bug... It's human. Why does a human's life have more value than a bug's life? I shouldn't of researched Buddhism, I feel bad whenever I slap a mosquito.
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Posted: Fri Mar 05, 2010 9:05 pm
DaikonNairu -Ren- xxEternallyBluexx and I think if they brought the kid into the world they have to be responsible for it.P I disagree. There are some people in this world that just should not be aloud to raise a child. Not be allowed yes. But opt out because their lazy? That shouldn't be allowed (not that that's the case every time, but I think it is too often). Someone should be responsible for the child, and it should be the parents if possible.
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Posted: Fri Mar 05, 2010 9:08 pm
xxEternallyBluexx DaikonNairu -Ren- xxEternallyBluexx and I think if they brought the kid into the world they have to be responsible for it.P I disagree. There are some people in this world that just should not be aloud to raise a child. Not be allowed yes. But opt out because their lazy? That shouldn't be allowed (not that that's the case every time, but I think it is too often). Someone should be responsible for the child, and it should be the parents if possible. That I will agree with. However, there are some people that just should never be aloud to raise a child, such as cronic drug users, alcoholics, abusive people in general... If they don't want to take responsibility for their child that's fine with me. Let the unwanted offspring go to a family that does want it and will love it and raise it right.
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Posted: Fri Mar 05, 2010 9:11 pm
Shiori Miko Semiremis Shiori Miko Someoneiknow zabazor It is not in their body, so I think they should have no say. Now if we can implant the child in the male urethra (largest part of the sex organ other than the scrotum) then he can have the choice. The baby is not the woman's body either. So why should they have the say if the child gets to die or not. No, the baby is not her body but it is a parasite. It takes from her body to nurish itself. If the women does not want the baby, it's stealing from her. If it was a bug or something doing that, would you issue with her taking medicine to get rid of the parasite? but it's not a bug... It's human. Why does a human's life have more value than a bug's life? I shouldn't of researched Buddhism, I feel bad whenever I slap a mosquito. Because most bugs barely even have a brain. There's things that make life worth living, which I doubt a mosquito knows anything about. And anyway God gave us the animals to do what we would with, but we're not supposed to murder each other.
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Posted: Fri Mar 05, 2010 9:15 pm
xxEternallyBluexx And anyway God gave us the animals to do what we would with, but we're not supposed to murder each other. So, there's nothing wrong with animal cruelty in the eyes of your god? You could leave a dog in a hot car without the windows rolled down for 8 hours or more and that would be fine?
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Posted: Fri Mar 05, 2010 9:27 pm
Semiremis Shiori Miko Someoneiknow zabazor It is not in their body, so I think they should have no say. Now if we can implant the child in the male urethra (largest part of the sex organ other than the scrotum) then he can have the choice. The baby is not the woman's body either. So why should they have the say if the child gets to die or not. No, the baby is not her body but it is a parasite. It takes from her body to nurish itself. If the women does not want the baby, it's stealing from her. If it was a bug or something doing that, would you issue with her taking medicine to get rid of the parasite? but it's not a bug... It's human. This!
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Posted: Fri Mar 05, 2010 9:30 pm
But it is supposed to be a decision, not really a choice. If the father and mother come to an agreement then okay, go for it. I am only pro-choice because I think about the rape victims. If you're thirteen you do not want to carry that child.
I have a personal experience that might be an interesting case.
My fiance and I had been together for six months. I was 17, he was 19. We barely saw each other because he was busy with Marine Corp training. He actually broke up with me a month before I had the baby. The entire time he was telling me I should abort. His mom told me I should abort. I said no. My mom and family supported my decision. When I told them that, the mother said we needed therapy. But back to the point. In the beginning, me and my fiance talked about it. I said I was not going to abort, then I was almost persuaded to. I actually set up an appointment, but did not go. My fiance was mad because he said I lied to him. I did not lie. I realized I was about to do something I did not want to do, so I changed my mind, again. So yea, he broke up with me. I had her and kept her. I raised her by herself while he was deployed for seven months, absolutely no help from his mom and maybe $400 from him the entire seven months. I worked almost full time, my mom babysat. He comes back and starts to talk to me again. I was out with friends the night he got back and he asked if he could see us (me and the baby). He immediatly turned his car around, found me and went straight for the baby. My friends and I were so shocked. That night we got back together and now we're engaged. Now... What if I had aborted? I don't know how I would be able to face him or his family if I had. I walk in that door with my head high and my daughter in my arms, when I am greeted by a cold shoulder from his mother. She still hates me and it's been a year since we got back together.
Just though that might add an interesting situation to debate.
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Posted: Fri Mar 05, 2010 9:39 pm
Shiori Miko Semiremis Shiori Miko Someoneiknow zabazor It is not in their body, so I think they should have no say. Now if we can implant the child in the male urethra (largest part of the sex organ other than the scrotum) then he can have the choice. The baby is not the woman's body either. So why should they have the say if the child gets to die or not. No, the baby is not her body but it is a parasite. It takes from her body to nurish itself. If the women does not want the baby, it's stealing from her. If it was a bug or something doing that, would you issue with her taking medicine to get rid of the parasite? but it's not a bug... It's human. Why does a human's life have more value than a bug's life? I shouldn't of researched Buddhism, I feel bad whenever I slap a mosquito. I'm not saying that it does and that's a completely separate topic. I was just pointing out that that thing growing inside of the mother is a human in a very early stage of development, it's not a parasite even if you do find similarities between that and human gestation. Whether or not we think that human deserves to be protected like the rest of us and whether or not it should have the same basic rights is what's up in the air.
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