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 Posted: Wed Dec 29, 2010 7:15 pm
Aakosir Well, I wasn't specifically referring to rape. Just that the emotions of women are less important than those of men. I should have worded it differently. I don't know. As an outsider, it looks like women are treated as second class citizens in some Middle Eastern Countries and that does seem to imply that their health and mental/emotional well being is considered less important than those of their male counter parts. On the same angle, I've heard argument that laws are in place to protect woman's innocence and mental well being. Clearly it's not something I believe, but I do think that some people really do think the hijab protects women as do firm marriage laws and male family members as escorts when in public spaces. I also understand there is some significant debate regarding whether these practices are cultural in nature and are dated or whether they are part of Islam. The territory seems to be murky within the faith on where they stand, so it's hard as an outsider to take a firm stance.
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Posted: Wed Dec 29, 2010 7:25 pm
blindfaith^_^ Aakosir Well, I wasn't specifically referring to rape. Just that the emotions of women are less important than those of men. I should have worded it differently. I don't know. As an outsider, it looks like women are treated as second class citizens in some Middle Eastern Countries and that does seem to imply that their health and mental/emotional well being is considered less important than those of their male counter parts. On the same angle, I've heard argument that laws are in place to protect woman's innocence and mental well being. Clearly it's not something I believe, but I do think that some people really do think the hijab protects women as do firm marriage laws and male family members as escorts when in public spaces. I also understand there is some significant debate regarding whether these practices are cultural in nature and are dated or whether they are part of Islam. The territory seems to be murky within the faith on where they stand, so it's hard as an outsider to take a firm stance.
And I can understand why it is a hard issue, especially if they, as a people, cannot decide. So I guess the best way to inform yourself would be to keep up with the government. Possibly.
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Posted: Wed Dec 29, 2010 11:45 pm
I think this woman was very brave to challenge her religion like she did. She must've known about the risks and the backlash she would get from some for publishing these works, and for that, I believe she's a strong person in her own right.
It reminds me of that one Gandhi quote, "I like your Christ, but not your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ."
Things have changed since the Scriptures were written. Society's changed the way people look at many issues, like the one she targets. She's not saying the religion has changed, but the people that follow it, Old Man Ryver. Just saying.
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Posted: Fri Aug 26, 2011 1:09 pm
I agree with her sentiments, and I agree that eery religion needs to reform at points and adapt to reality, but I don't know how familiar she is with the reasons behind some of the religious laws in Islam. As a Christian with only moderate exposure to Islam, I don't know how well-aquainted I am either, but it seems to me that they spirit of the law is just as important, if not more important, than the law itself.
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Posted: Tue Jan 03, 2012 10:52 am
Julri So, I was wondering, what do those of you who are Muslim think of Irshad Manji? If you are unfamiliar with her, she is the Muslim author of "The Trouble With Islam Today: A Muslim's Call For Reform In Her Faith" and she made the documentary "Faith Without Fear," both of which are basically about fighting racism/sexism/homophobia/other-bad-things in Islam. Personally, I think she's really cool and I find her take on Islam to be very refreshing, but there are other people who say that she's "not a real Muslim" or who disagree with her interpretations of Islam. Any thoughts? r u a muslim?
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Posted: Tue Jan 03, 2012 10:53 am
Old Man Ryver Julri So, I was wondering, what do those of you who are Muslim think of Irshad Manji? If you are unfamiliar with her, she is the Muslim author of "The Trouble With Islam Today: A Muslim's Call For Reform In Her Faith" and she made the documentary "Faith Without Fear," both of which are basically about fighting racism/sexism/homophobia/other-bad-things in Islam. Personally, I think she's really cool and I find her take on Islam to be very refreshing, but there are other people who say that she's "not a real Muslim" or who disagree with her interpretations of Islam. Any thoughts? She lies. Islam teaches that women and men are equal and that all are to be tolerated. Islamic countries have allowed women to vote for 1,400 years. This concept was unknown to any other religion or culture. r u a muslim? cuz u seem 2 no about islam and ur name appears often in the forums She must have not been a good Muslim, because if she were, she'd know the beliefs of Islam. Oh well, what are you going to do? neutral
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Posted: Tue Jan 03, 2012 10:55 am
Old Man Ryver Chieftain Twilight Old Man Ryver Julri So, I was wondering, what do those of you who are Muslim think of Irshad Manji? If you are unfamiliar with her, she is the Muslim author of "The Trouble With Islam Today: A Muslim's Call For Reform In Her Faith" and she made the documentary "Faith Without Fear," both of which are basically about fighting racism/sexism/homophobia/other-bad-things in Islam. Personally, I think she's really cool and I find her take on Islam to be very refreshing, but there are other people who say that she's "not a real Muslim" or who disagree with her interpretations of Islam. Any thoughts? She lies. Islam teaches that women and men are equal and that all are to be tolerated. Islamic countries have allowed women to vote for 1,400 years. This concept was unknown to any other religion or culture. She must have not been a good Muslim, because if she were, she'd know the beliefs of Islam. Oh well, what are you going to do? neutral i think to judge her as "not a good Muslim" because she felt oppressed in her religion isn't accurate or fair to her. confused couldn't you say it was more that she was raised in a bad interpretation of Islam, and knew better? she was the subject of prejiduce. it isn't Islam's fault, and it is DEFINITELY not her fault that she thinks it was Islam's fault. there are still Islamic nations which believe that women don' deserve rights, and they use Islam as their reasoning, the same way that america tends to hate gays and use christianity as their backing even though christianity doesn't teach anything agianst homosexuality. Actually ... Christianity does mention stoning homosexuals ... but that's off topic. I fully understand. But I'm not saying that it's her fault that she was subject to prejudice. Though, if she claims that Islam is the fault, then she hasn't read the Qur'an, or the Hadith, which completely contradict what she claims, which, if I'm not mistaken, is a requirement for getting into Paradise in the Islam religion. so true i most def agree r u muslim 2?
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Posted: Tue Jan 03, 2012 10:57 am
Chieftain Twilight Old Man Ryver Chieftain Twilight Old Man Ryver Julri So, I was wondering, what do those of you who are Muslim think of Irshad Manji? If you are unfamiliar with her, she is the Muslim author of "The Trouble With Islam Today: A Muslim's Call For Reform In Her Faith" and she made the documentary "Faith Without Fear," both of which are basically about fighting racism/sexism/homophobia/other-bad-things in Islam. Personally, I think she's really cool and I find her take on Islam to be very refreshing, but there are other people who say that she's "not a real Muslim" or who disagree with her interpretations of Islam. Any thoughts? She lies. Islam teaches that women and men are equal and that all are to be tolerated. Islamic countries have allowed women to vote for 1,400 years. This concept was unknown to any other religion or culture. She must have not been a good Muslim, because if she were, she'd know the beliefs of Islam. Oh well, what are you going to do? neutral i think to judge her as "not a good Muslim" because she felt oppressed in her religion isn't accurate or fair to her. confused couldn't you say it was more that she was raised in a bad interpretation of Islam, and knew better? she was the subject of prejiduce. it isn't Islam's fault, and it is DEFINITELY not her fault that she thinks it was Islam's fault. there are still Islamic nations which believe that women don' deserve rights, and they use Islam as their reasoning, the same way that america tends to hate gays and use christianity as their backing even though christianity doesn't teach anything agianst homosexuality. Actually ... Christianity does mention stoning homosexuals ... but that's off topic. I fully understand. But I'm not saying that it's her fault that she was subject to prejudice. Though, if she claims that Islam is the fault, then she hasn't read the Qur'an, or the Hadith, which completely contradict what she claims, which, if I'm not mistaken, is a requirement for getting into Paradise in the Islam religion. but the homosexuals are not stoned for homosexuality. in the book of Genesis for example, the townsfolk want to anally rape a man who Abraham decides to protect, and he offers his virgin daughters in compensation. the townsmen refuse the offer, continuing to press for the rights to gang rape the man Abraham wants to protect from them. God destroys the town and all those townspeople, not because the men were gay, but rather because they were sexually assaulting someone. being gay is strictly off limits in islam and yes thy did use 2 stone homesexuals
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Posted: Tue Jan 03, 2012 10:58 am
Artto Chieftain Twilight but the homosexuals are not stoned for homosexuality. in the book of Genesis for example, the townsfolk want to anally rape a man who Abraham decides to protect, and he offers his virgin daughters in compensation. the townsmen refuse the offer, continuing to press for the rights to gang rape the man Abraham wants to protect from them. God destroys the town and all those townspeople, not because the men were gay, but rather because they were sexually assaulting someone. Leviticus 20:13 If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They must be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads. That doesn't talk about sexual assault ... nice i agree fully
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Posted: Tue Jan 03, 2012 11:01 am
blindfaith^_^ HollywoodNobody OOT why does ibrahim offers his virgin daughter? Cause Abraham is an a*****e who thinks that women's pain is less important than those of men even if those women are his innocent children. dont post anything if u dont even no wat ur talkin bout! sum of us actually wanna no the answer
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Posted: Tue Jan 03, 2012 11:02 am
Aakosir blindfaith^_^ HollywoodNobody OOT why does ibrahim offers his virgin daughter? Cause Abraham is an a*****e who thinks that women's pain is less important than those of men even if those women are his innocent children. um btw jews r not muslims therefore isrealites r jews not muslims.....
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Posted: Tue Jan 03, 2012 11:05 am
blindfaith^_^ Aakosir blindfaith^_^ HollywoodNobody OOT why does ibrahim offers his virgin daughter? Cause Abraham is an a*****e who thinks that women's pain is less important than those of men even if those women are his innocent children. Biblical times are way past now. I won't argue that no one believes that anymore but I think most modern audiences would disagree. I don't know of a religion that supports rape, especially if the parties aren't married.[/quo exactly no religion says tht u can live w/ sum1 and hav kids w/ thm even tho thts like a normal thing nowadays it disgusts me!
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Posted: Tue Jan 03, 2012 1:13 pm
sheshe507 exactly no religion says tht u can live w/ sum1 and hav kids w/ thm even tho thts like a normal thing nowadays it disgusts me! I don't think it is so bad... I think marriage should be returned to the realm of personal, as it used to be. I don't think the government should have their noses so far into an individual family's structure. Especially with the differences in religion or the absence thereof. The concept of marriage as we have it now is still a relatively new concept. It used to be that the parents would arrange marriage between their children and the married couple had to deal with it. There was no major ceremony unless you were a noble. The facilitation of the marriage would be signified by sending the bride to the house of the groom with her dowry, and some cultures would require the groom and his family provide a gift to the father of the bride. Now it is a marriage if the government acknowledges it. Why would it matter if the government says we are married? I think a couple people who have spent many years together and plan on staying together is just as married as two people who sign a government sanctioned license... In fact probably more so, since a government sanctioned license allows the parties to split things 50/50 in the event that it doesn't work out... Unmarried people have to figure it out for themselves for the most part. It's easier to back out of the government sanctioned marriage than it is to try and part ways when you aren't recognized as married by the government ... xp
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Posted: Tue Jan 03, 2012 5:51 pm
.______. good gods, sheshe, you are absolutely awful! I completely disagree with your views, you are so hateful!
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Posted: Wed Jan 04, 2012 2:37 am
The story wasn't about Abraham, it was about his nephew Lot, and it is the story of Sodom and Gomorrah, when the 2 angels went into the city to try and find any righteous people within it...
Lot offered his daughters so that the men of the city would leave his guests alone, because the tradition of hospitality was supposedly a sacred duty...
It is interesting to note that even Lot was not considered righteous, but was spared because Abraham pleaded to God that Lot and his family would have the opportunity to escape before the cities were destroyed....
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