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Posted: Sun Feb 21, 2010 8:17 am
The fact Natuso had decided to hide away underground was probably a key mistake in his strategy, under ground, he was completely open for attack and if he didn't react quickly enough, which would be hard considering his position. He obviously could not sonido straight through sand as deep as he was and because of that, any changes of getting out using one due to the speed at which he would have to simultaneously used sonido and telekinesis, well, it was pretty much unlikely that he'd just fly out.
In addition to that, the fact he had created his clones not only right in front of Sigeric but also out of white sand pretty much tipped him off quite nicely to the fact they were fake. In fact, what would've been more preposterous would have been to think they were real. Well, maybe he might've been fooled if he had not seen them being created in mid air and in addition to that fact, even Sigeric could sense spiritual pressures, that was by no means impossible and as lowered as it was, it was not absolute zero it was only capable of completely shielding their reiatsu to a very small level and because of that, Natuso, being the only spiritual pressure that wasn't a big white man was actually very easy to find.
Not that any of this helped to calm down Sigeric, in fact, he was pretty pissed off right now. His opponent had now just crossed the line. He'd been running around, smirking and smiling and giving this air of superiority and now, he was hiding underground, did he really not expect Sigeric to work out that the only other spiritual pressure for miles was that of Natsuo? Maybe. As clever as Natsuo was he had no time to prepare and so slip-ups were sure to happen.
With a quick static like sound Sigeric appeared, standing right on top of Natuso. He, Natuso, would probably be able to guess what was now coming as well as any man. Right there, now seemingly trapped underground, things were starting to look grim for him and Sigeric might get in his first hit all fight, or worse yet, finish it all with one stab.
Not even taking his time to make this dramatic, for he was too angry now, Sigeric stabbed his Zanpakto through the ground to where Natsuo was supposed to be and if he didn't somehow dodge it would go straight through his heart. The Zanpakto was easily large enough, being 8 feet tall, to go right through Natuso and then some, assuming he had not gone eight foot deep.
Sigeric panted, over the supposed grave of Natuso and then drew his humongous sword from the ground before spitting on the ground where Natsuo's corpse, assuming that he hadn't miraculously dodged the attack, would be.
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Posted: Tue Feb 23, 2010 12:27 pm
Sigeric, Natsuo thought, was truly an arrancar of the expected and unexpected intentions. A regular arrancar judging him by his size and his actions would assume that his brawn made up for his muscle. But throughout the fight, Sigeric has shown his true intelligence and skills as able to think quickly on his feet, in countering Natsuo’s moves with his strength. Unfotrunately, Natsuo had already begun to stop playing around since his last attack on Sigeric. This action of Sigeric’s, was certainly not anticipated, but was planned.
“With a quick static like sound Sigeric appeared, standing right on top of Natuso...”
Natsuo heard the large thump on top of the ground and the rush of energy, which was 5 ft above him. Instantly, Natsuo’s head began to tick like a time bomb. His face showed as he began to grow anxious, smirking to himself, thinking,” Come on…I want you to stab me…” Natsuo’s tantos quickly took position, 5 inches under ground, and 5 ft away hidden within the sand aimed at Sigeric’s scar on his back.
The clones reacted to Sigeric’s new location by looking behind them, to see Sigeric was there, angry as ever. They tried to attack, only to serve as distractions to slow him down, but were ineffective as Sigeric’s hierro protected him. So once Sigeric arrived, they exploded and swirled up around Sigeric.
”Not even taking his time to make this dramatic, for he was too angry now, Sigeric stabbed his Zanpakto through the ground to where Natsuo was supposed to be…”
Natsuo allowed the zanpakto to stab him, technically. The farther the zanpakto passed through the sand, the more off target it went. This happened because Natsuo used his telepathic powers to forcefully push the sword slightly away with the sand as it got deeper into the ground. But this small detour of direction to the right was insignificant since it managed to cut a piece of Natsuo’s arm. Natsuo winced, and then smiled because he knew this needed to be done, to fool Sigeric into thinking that the job was done. The problem is that the sword was longer than anticipated, which gave off more blood, but did no life-threatening fight damage to it.
As Sigeric was in the middle of thrusting his blade into the ground the same thing that happened to him earlier happened again. This time more severe. As the sand held fast on Sigeric's sword, one of the tantos shot out from the ground like lightning towaards Sigeric's scar and could penetrate through Sigeric’s scar till the tip of the blade could be seen from the other side. Natsuo knew this would hurt a lot. So before Sigeric could stab the ground again, Natsuo would let the other tantos fly up from the sand and penetrate him in his heart with the same lightning speed.
“3…2…1….I’m recharged…” Natsuo grinned as the sand traveled up the sword and up Sigeric’s feet onto his body.
((ALright I re-did the post)
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Posted: Mon Mar 01, 2010 2:40 pm
Natsuo, Sigeric thought, was certainly an Arrancar that was dead, however when a tanto popped out of the ground he was proven wrong. A regular Arrancar would have judged it by the fact that he had just stabbed the ground where Natsuo was and usually, that made people very dead but Natsuo had shown his true survivability and actually managed to divert the attack while underground. This action of Natsuo's was certainly not planned, nor' was it anticipated.
Sigeric flinched slightly from being hit by the Tantos, sure, Natsuo was strong with his psychic powers but he had a huge disadvantage due to being five meters underground, first of all the very fact he was talking while underground meant he had most likely choked himself to death, regardless of how strong his psychic powers were if he had not put proper protection on his mouth when he had begun to speak he would find it filled with sand because when you're underground and you talk that's usually what happens.
In addition to this throwing a knife through five meters of sand is quite difficult, in fact, it's actually really really hard if you don't have a certain amount of distance to throw from. Fortunately however Natsuo did have the slight advantage of his telekinesis which meant he could throw with a certain level of power. However, what above ground would have been enough to pierce Sigeric's heart was not necessarily the same as underground. The difference in force due to the weight of the material on top of Natsuo would have slowed down his throw and lowered it's power so greatly that it would have been next to nothing compared to the power it had originally had. The guard also helped on this part because it increased the surface area. Had the tanto just been a knife with no guard it probably could've stuck into Sigeric but because of the guard it's power was greatly weakened even further.
So, in the end, to be honest it was clear. Natsuo's plans were probably rushed, even if he had drawn up every single scenario he didn't have time to properly prepare for them and didn't have counter plans which logically worked. All of them, a person watching the fight could tell, were drawn up too fast. If anything this proved that Natsuo was probably better if he had time to prepare for the fight and work out his enemy's strengths and weaknesses accurately. The fact he hadn't was a serious disadvantage although it went without saying that he was still dangerous with this disadvantage.
As clever as Natsuo was he had trapped himself and had made plans that just plain didn't work. Earlier Sigeric had been okay to not desecrate his corpse and just stab him through the heart, however, since he had somehow dodged that then there was only one other course of action, that was of course the signature move of Hollow kind. The cero.
The swirling purple orb charged on Sigeric's eye, it didn't take too long to charge, just as long as a normal cero would take to charge. It was complete soon enough. The purple beam pierced through the sand, leaving a huge hole in it's wake, completely annihilating the entire area of sand where Natsuo had been lying. Did he really think all his strategies, all his genius would come to anything if he didn't apply it and think about things? He had started off the fight well but it seemed, as he went on, he had deteriorated and made mistake after mistake. Hiding underground being probably his most fatal as it had already allowed Sigeric to get a serious bit of damage in on him and 'cut off a piece of his arm'. Not that Sigeric knew how big that piece was, it could have been anything from a good portion of the muscle to a tiny scratch.
((I'm assuming when you threw the sharpened pebbles that was the maximum speed you could throw an object. Because of this, that's how I figure that the knife would be insignificant due to the 5 cubic meters of sand above it weighing I don't know how much.))
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Posted: Thu Mar 04, 2010 12:15 pm
(( I’m not blasting you, I’m just saying
First, the sharpened pebbles, as you hypothesized were at maximum speed, since they were small, but were projected at a very fast rate. That’s why they did significant damage to your body with minor cuts, even though you had your heirro. So think what a zanpakto blade can do to you, even with your hierro, launched with even 75% of that speed.
Secondly, I believed I posted 5 inches from the ground, not cubic meters. And last time I checked meters is larger than inches, so it was closer than you think.
Thirdly, the sand in the ground creates a force so small on the blade that it is insignificant in slowing down its momentum and overall penetration force. Especially since Natsuo can move the sand out of the way with his mind with no sweat. Sand is not heavy, at all!! If I get a cup of 5 inches of sand, I would be able to throw it at a very high velocity, especially if I can accelerate it with my mind.
Fourthly,tantos is not a knife, it is a fully erect zanpakto capable of great destruction.
Lastly, the tantos blade penetrated your scar, the weakness in your heirro! There is no way my zanpakto tantos, hit only a ‘good portion of muscle to a tiny scratch.’All zanpaktos do great damage if there is a direct hit.
So are you going to change your post?))
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Posted: Thu Mar 04, 2010 6:13 pm
((Do you mind if I butt in?
Sand is heavy, Riku. I'm a building contractor and my little brother runs a concrete truck. Regardless of how much there is or how small it's ground down, it's still rock in the end. That, and you have to keep in mind that sand as fine as the white dust-like sand in Hueco Mundo will have a lot of shock-absorbing power. Even if you threw your knives with maximum velocity they would still slow down substantially by passing through the sand grains. Five cubic inches of sand weighs quite a lot. A fifty-pound bag of sand might be roughly a cubic foot, so you're underneath at least twenty or thirty pounds of sand.
And while all Zanpakuto do some damage on a direct hit, a zanpakuto thrown blindly using telekinesis from underground would have severely diminished force, since after reading through your post several times I cannot find evidence that you telekinetically moved the sand out of the way.
Sorry if this is unwelcome or uncalled for, I just wanted to put in my two cents' worth.))
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Posted: Mon Mar 08, 2010 5:19 am
((Wowzers....okay...
((Sure, I think every argument deserves an extra opinion
‘Sand is heavy, Riku. I'm a building contractor and my little brother runs a concrete truck.’
This bit of information also makes you a great source for this argument. I am glad to have you on board, but am a bit saddened by whose side you are rooting for. (T.T)
“…Regardless of how much there is or how small it's ground down, it's still rock in the end…”
Well the thing here is that are not comparing rocks, we are comparing sand. Not really good of an argument with your example here, sir. You see, one of the very few differences comparing them is condensing sand together and making it stablize could create a rock, depending on how much sand is use. And decomposing the rock into its simplest form, you get either dirt or sand.
“…That, and you have to keep in mind that sand as fine as the white dust-like sand in Hueco Mundo will have a lot of shock-absorbing power…”
You see, that statement right there affects not only me, but my opponent as well. In my previous post I condensed the sand together into a sharp projectile which I threw at a real high velocity towards his character. Since this sand is special due to its ‘shock absorbing’ power, the impact of the sand should have done even more damage than minor cuts. So I hypothesize...And whats this shock absorbing power is you talking about?
Even if you threw your knives with maximum velocity they would still slow down substantially by passing through the sand grains. Five cubic inches of sand weighs quite a lot. A fifty-pound bag of sand might be roughly a cubic foot, so you're underneath at least twenty or thirty pounds of sand.
This is a very good argument. But unfortunately your fact is wrong, which I think is partly my fault, due to my choice of words. In my second to last post I had said,” Natsuo’s tantos quickly took position, 5 inches under ground, and 5 ft away hidden within the sand aimed at Sigeric’s scar on his back.” When I said, “5 inches underground,” nit only did I mean “5 inches” but I was also talking about the sand. Since 5 inches of sand is equivalent to .1257 meters, the resisting force shouldn’t be significant enough to ‘slow down substantially.’
And while all Zanpakuto do some damage on a direct hit, a zanpakuto thrown blindly using telekinesis from underground would have severely diminished force, since after reading through your post several times I cannot find evidence that you telekinetically moved the sand out of the way.
Technically, you are right, with my zanpakto being thrown ‘blindly’ at Sigeric. But I use the term blindly very loosely since I have an explanation. I did use my telekensis to hit a specific spot. In my post I mentioned of the clones I created exploded and swirled around Sigeric. Through using telekinesis on all of these sand particles swirling around Sigeric I could make out his body structure since I was swirling around him. By doing so I can find exactly where I am suppose to hit. Sicne my character Natsuo, is an analytical fighter, I think he can do this.
ALSO!!! I have another thing to add, If I am allowed to control matter of billions of sand to be fast enough build up a sandstorm, and create boulders to throw at Sigeric the same time, which was approved because my opponent still rped I believe I should be able to push my tantos with incredible speed through 5 INCHES OF SAND towards Sigeric's scar and have good damage.
The only reason I wanted Sigeric to change his post, was because I thought the significant damage I did would hurt him badly, so he may have wanted to dodge that.
Forgive me if I seem very ignorant and stupid, but this is the first Bleach fight I have ever been in. So I don’t know what exactly to do >.<, which is making me mad on how many mistakes I am making. But I’ll defend my post with my life, ignorantly if I have to. So please don’t judge me.))
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Posted: Tue Mar 09, 2010 1:34 pm
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Posted: Wed Mar 10, 2010 12:31 pm
((Thank you, and I did ^.^))
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Posted: Mon Mar 15, 2010 1:41 pm
((Question: Have you ever tried to throw something through sand, like, say, a stone? Even throwing it with appreciable force - enough to cause a nasty bruise on a human being - it still won't penetrate more than two inches or so into the sand. The grains that it hits absorb quite a lot of motion and move further than any of the others. The grains that they are touching move less than that. and son on, and so forth, exponentially. With sand as fine as the sand of Hueco Mundo, the force would be dissipated. I agree that you can manipulate sand grains, but you didn't post that you did this, and no amount of force can overcome the laws of physics.
and as to your argument that five inches of sand would not do a lot to stop a sword/tanto: i have tried this out on one of my construction sites. Flinging a foundation spike (basically a really thick nail) as hard as I can, I was able to penetrate four inches into the sand. Now I can bench-press 450 without breaking a sweat, and that foundation-nail was still about as heavy as a normal Katana. That was with average-grade sand, about .5-mm per grain. Finest white sand can be as small as .1-mm per grain, basically white dust, which gives it a whole lot more grains in the same amount of space, thus much more stopping power. Really fine sand can slow something down about as efficiently as an equivalent amount of water. Taking a page from the Mythbusters' book, a bullet shot from a .45 caliber handgun penetrated roughly a foot and a half into the water before disintegrating. Assuming equal resistance and surface tension between fine sand and water, a fairly realistic assumption, and assuming that the tantos were thrown telekinetically as fast as you could throw them, and that they are structured in such a way that they could pierce the Hierro of an Espada in a single (auto-)hit, the tantos would have had roughly an equivalent reaction as the sniper rifle, whose shots disintegrated on contact with the water.
Even if you discount the laws of physics, the laws of energy, and the fact that the finest sand you can get is roughly as good a shock absorber as concrete, the fact remains that Natsuo is still facing an Espada. There is bound to be a significant power gap, and the fact that by stating that you hit him twice (if memory serves). And you state that you were able to 'see' Sigeric's outline via the sand of your exploded clones. If you were able to do this then your profile ought to list either farseeing (television, literally) or some sort of transmissible tactile sensation that would enable you to 'feel' exactly where is scar was.
and again, even discounting all of this, you still didn't give him a chance to dodge or otherwise avoid or deflect the attack, which is fairly blatant auto-hitting.))
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Posted: Tue Mar 16, 2010 5:19 am
((since OOC is the in thing right now here I would just like to say the whole "lol I became an Espada and got a huge source of power from a mystical gateway" thing is jaw droppingly stupid so please don't use that to judge whether what he did was justified. A good roleplayer wouldn't use their position to try to win the fight, they would use their skill and experience. Also Arrancar all have super strength far beyond any human. Anyway invalid points aside it is indeed autohitting. Bad Natsuo. Bad.))
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Posted: Tue Mar 16, 2010 5:51 am
((Not to be a stickler here, but neither you nor Tai are moderators in this forum, Doctor_Whiteface. If you have an issue with this thread, please take it up with Jes, Temor, or Teinei, and stop spaming this fight with your opinions on how this should have gone down. Thank you.))
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Posted: Mon Mar 22, 2010 7:28 am
((I"ve reposted to make it a non-auto hit))
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Posted: Mon Mar 22, 2010 8:33 am
((I can't see it. My post is the last IC post.))
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Posted: Tue Mar 23, 2010 7:18 am
Natsuo, Sigeric thought, was certainly an Arrancar that was dead, however when a tanto popped out of the ground he was proven wrong. A regular Arrancar would have judged it by the fact that he had just stabbed the ground where Natsuo was and usually, that made people very dead but Natsuo had shown his true survivability and actually managed to divert the attack while underground. This action of Natsuo's was certainly not planned, nor' was it anticipated.
Sigeric flinched slightly from being hit by the Tantos, sure, Natsuo was strong with his psychic powers but he had a huge disadvantage due to being five meters underground, first of all the very fact he was talking while underground meant he had most likely choked himself to death, regardless of how strong his psychic powers were if he had not put proper protection on his mouth when he had begun to speak he would find it filled with sand because when you're underground and you talk that's usually what happens.
In addition to this throwing a knife through five meters of sand is quite difficult, in fact, it's actually really really hard if you don't have a certain amount of distance to throw from. Fortunately however Natsuo did have the slight advantage of his telekinesis which meant he could throw with a certain level of power. However, what above ground would have been enough to pierce Sigeric's heart was not necessarily the same as underground. The difference in force due to the weight of the material on top of Natsuo would have slowed down his throw and lowered it's power so greatly that it would have been next to nothing compared to the power it had originally had. The guard also helped on this part because it increased the surface area. Had the tanto just been a knife with no guard it probably could've stuck into Sigeric but because of the guard it's power was greatly weakened even further.
So, in the end, to be honest it was clear. Natsuo's plans were probably rushed, even if he had drawn up every single scenario he didn't have time to properly prepare for them and didn't have counter plans which logically worked. All of them, a person watching the fight could tell, were drawn up too fast. If anything this proved that Natsuo was probably better if he had time to prepare for the fight and work out his enemy's strengths and weaknesses accurately. The fact he hadn't was a serious disadvantage although it went without saying that he was still dangerous with this disadvantage.
As clever as Natsuo was he had trapped himself and had made plans that just plain didn't work. Earlier Sigeric had been okay to not desecrate his corpse and just stab him through the heart, however, since he had somehow dodged that then there was only one other course of action, that was of course the signature move of Hollow kind. The cero.
The swirling purple orb charged on Sigeric's eye, it didn't take too long to charge, just as long as a normal cero would take to charge. It was complete soon enough. The purple beam pierced through the sand, leaving a huge hole in it's wake, completely annihilating the entire area of sand where Natsuo had been lying. Did he really think all his strategies, all his genius would come to anything if he didn't apply it and think about things? He had started off the fight well but it seemed, as he went on, he had deteriorated and made mistake after mistake. Hiding underground being probably his most fatal as it had already allowed Sigeric to get a serious bit of damage in on him and 'cut off a piece of his arm'. Not that Sigeric knew how big that piece was, it could have been anything from a good portion of the muscle to a tiny scratch.
((I'm assuming when you threw the sharpened pebbles that was the maximum speed you could throw an object. Because of this, that's how I figure that the knife would be insignificant due to the 5 cubic meters of sand above it weighing I don't know how much.))
((Here is your post))
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Posted: Tue Mar 23, 2010 9:41 am
((Your point being? I'm not changing my post unless I get ordered to.
RPing is a set of agreements. Although you can call people out on bullshit in this case what I feel that what I did was perfectly acceptable.
It's not like I did some humongous dodge or immediately sonidoed out of the way. I just reacted in the way someone big and hardy would in my opinion.))
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