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Posted: Sat Jan 30, 2010 10:01 am
As the first Demonic character player in this guild, let me weigh in on this topic. When people want to play demons/devils/half-bloods or draconic characters, I usually get asked.. the reason is I make it a point to know as much about them as possible because thats usually what I play. Tabletop, online, even in cons.. I go demonic or draconic when I can.
That said.. its not easy to play a demon based char or a Dragon based char either. The old motivations don't apply. You don't have angst or fear or lust. Your cold, dispassionate and calculating. You have to think how they think.. crazy. Plans have to be extremely far reaching with little present gain in most cases. Being this sort of character means you have to step outside the realm of normal character interaction and become evil.. not just flirt with it. Drow are bad, xas.. but even drow shudder at the evil of demons.
Demons and Devils have no shame, no morals, no sense of good and bad. They want pain and terror, rage and sorrow. Killing everyone in UnderGaia would suit them just fine if they could achieve it or even better, kill most of you and then inhabit your bodies.. or trick you into summoning their demonic friends to this world.
To play these types of characters you need alot of skill, alot of imagination and a healthy dark nature to draw inspiration from. Most people can't do that, most people aren't that ******** up mentally. For those who want to try, feel free, but be warned, playing Demons and Devils or Dragons.. it changes you, changes your thought process.. it stains you. Be warned.
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Posted: Sat Jan 30, 2010 10:57 am
Hello. As a former avid D&D'er I hope I might be able to weigh in and add my two copper pieces.
I agree with what's been said already. I've never played a campaign with anyone whose character was a demon or a dragon ( or even half for that matter ). I have interacted with planetouched player characters, but most of my experience is with the normal races that you’d find in the Player’s Handbook. Playing a Drow here is even a new experience for me!
I view the Mods here as like DM’s. If they’re uncomfortable with demon and dragon characters, then perhaps we should have a moratorium on new characters of those races. Not to say that having one or two here wouldn’t be fun or interesting, but perhaps those members that have already established themselves in UnderGaia with demon/dragon characters should be the only approved ones for now.
Perhaps a simple set of character guidelines should be in order? Or even a quota system on races other than Drow… that’s all I have.
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Posted: Sat Jan 30, 2010 11:09 am
once again i state a valid fact in D&D ECLs are there for a reason demons at least that ive seen have no ecl there for are non playable in D&D dragons have ecls for certain ages and are therefore playable at those ages only in D&D if they are to be played stick to something with an ecl its there for a reason.
(for non D&D players ECL = Effective Character Level)
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Posted: Sun Jan 31, 2010 6:41 am
xX-Vhaeraun-Xx
To play these types of characters you need alot of skill, alot of imagination and a healthy dark nature to draw inspiration from. Most people can't do that, most people aren't that ******** up mentally. .lol@ describing my life sweatdrop that is where i draw the line for as much that i adore fantasy ideas and my mind runs amok with so much plans and ideas (making it easy for me to play as a demonic based character if i feel like it ) i have not played D&D or Warhammer or games like that oO i gain my experience that i hold from IRC rpg's as well as being a bookworm at a young age leaving me flexible and versatile D: some ppl must keep in mind that there are others like me that has not played D&D so some of those profile that have stats and numbers and write things like 'I'm a Paladin with 18 charisma and 97 hit points. I can use my helm of disintegration and do one D4 damage as my half-elf mage wields his plus-five holy avenger.'that kind of stuff i have no understanding on what it is and yes i know i used a family guy quote. but please take in mind on exaplining things at times so that i wont have to read profiles or threads like @______________@ omg wha?
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Posted: Sun Jan 31, 2010 7:44 am
Lunar Vampiress Elf D: some ppl must keep in mind that there are others like me that has not played D&D Thank you for voicing my own concern. Allow me to chime in now.
I'll be very honest. When I came in, I had absolutely no idea that you needed a D&D background to make it here (and I hope nobody will try and say 'you do not', because my case has already made itself). If I had known, I probably wouldn't have come. Reason being, I know little to nothing about it. I only played tabletop roleplay once; it was Shadowrun, and I failed.
I wanted roleplay, plain and simple. When I created my demon character, I went from the basic principle that anything and everything can exist. So I drew from many, many sources. I couldn't be a goodie two-shoes as I usually am, I knew that much. I felt there would be no trouble keeping my wolven self, just a tune-up to make it chaotic and voila. I was wrong. For my character is an impossibility in and of itself from a D&D standpoint. Demons are not born in this existencial plane and they certainly have no wolven traits. Sure, there are the Lythari and the Lupinals, a type of Guardinal. Sadly, they are both good aligned.
I do not fit here. I was aware of that, but I wanted roleplay and I tried to change my nature to achieve it. I thank Quen for approving my character and my business endeavors (also a glaring flaw; what demon worth his salt would bother to set up an inn?) and Sere for letting me keep the character and thus be one of those few that get to play a demon-based character around these parts. A planetouched, actually. Or half-fiend. Strill wondering which one might explain having wolven traits
Don't get me wrong though. I understand the logistical reason behind the demon limitations. It's the D&D setting I can't fit in because of my sheer ignorance.
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Posted: Sun Jan 31, 2010 3:20 pm
 What about those half-breeds that are like Aglo? I mean, she wasn't born that way, just turned. Thus she is able to roam free, correct?
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Posted: Sun Feb 21, 2010 9:47 am
DB Imp  What about those half-breeds that are like Aglo? I mean, she wasn't born that way, just turned. Thus she is able to roam free, correct? Correct hun, half-demons are usually born on the prime material plane and are native outsiders, thus free to wander where ever they wish and or are capable of. That said, most are the result of some bargain/deal or rape and usually belong to someone more powerful than themselves. occasionally, they escape or happen to be left to die by one or the other parent.
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Posted: Sun Feb 21, 2010 3:39 pm
Valatar Druugiir As the first Demonic character player in this guild, let me weigh in on this topic. When people want to play demons/devils/half-bloods or draconic characters, I usually get asked.. the reason is I make it a point to know as much about them as possible because thats usually what I play. Tabletop, online, even in cons.. I go demonic or draconic when I can.
That said.. its not easy to play a demon based char or a Dragon based char either. The old motivations don't apply. You don't have angst or fear or lust. Your cold, dispassionate and calculating. You have to think how they think.. crazy. Plans have to be extremely far reaching with little present gain in most cases. Being this sort of character means you have to step outside the realm of normal character interaction and become evil.. not just flirt with it. Drow are bad, xas.. but even drow shudder at the evil of demons.
Demons and Devils have no shame, no morals, no sense of good and bad. They want pain and terror, rage and sorrow. Killing everyone in UnderGaia would suit them just fine if they could achieve it or even better, kill most of you and then inhabit your bodies.. or trick you into summoning their demonic friends to this world.
To play these types of characters you need alot of skill, alot of imagination and a healthy dark nature to draw inspiration from. Most people can't do that, most people aren't that ******** up mentally. For those who want to try, feel free, but be warned, playing Demons and Devils or Dragons.. it changes you, changes your thought process.. it stains you. Be warned. i gotta say, i do agree with most of this, and it makes a perfect general idea, though i also just feel the urge to point out the variable nature of demons. there are some of those who do everything based on primal instinctual urges, or even jus the thrills. killing, raping, lieing, stealing, pillaging, burning, destroying, eating.... all because of lust or hatred or adrenaline rushes. maybe they had a party. or maybe they were bored. or maybe it just seemed like a good idea at th etime. of course, this is coming from the standpoint of not believing in Good and Evil as universal objective concepts. these beings are, in my opinion, considered Evil, because they don't care whether they are evil or good. in D&D terms this would mean that some (typically only half-bred ones in this case though) would be just as likely Chaotic Nuetral or True Neutral as they would be Neutral Evil, Chaotic Evil or Lawfull Evil. also, the fear may be their, but it is usually not. demons that are afraid are weak. they are unwise. because true demons come from dimensions where they have no reason to be afraid. they are immortal! even if they die, be it i the Material world or some other realm, they will just come back. what do they have to fear? very few things exist that they have any reason to be afraid of. demons may be vengeant, seeking to kill or torture their summoners or masters, though they are not stupid. often times they will usually let that go unless they have confidence that said target will be easily slain or tormented. i tend to play Tainted characters myself.... that is, characters who share their soul with a demon. however, it is always important not to overdo the amount of demonic activity in a game. besides which, as as said, it takes quite a trained, as well as broken, mind to properly (and safely) play these types of characters. it's a tall order. Naki Wolfblood Lunar Vampiress Elf D: some ppl must keep in mind that there are others like me that has not played D&D Thank you for voicing my own concern. Allow me to chime in now.
I'll be very honest. When I came in, I had absolutely no idea that you needed a D&D background to make it here (and I hope nobody will try and say 'you do not', because my case has already made itself). If I had known, I probably wouldn't have come. Reason being, I know little to nothing about it. I only played tabletop roleplay once; it was Shadowrun, and I failed.
I wanted roleplay, plain and simple. When I created my demon character, I went from the basic principle that anything and everything can exist. So I drew from many, many sources. I couldn't be a goodie two-shoes as I usually am, I knew that much. I felt there would be no trouble keeping my wolven self, just a tune-up to make it chaotic and voila. I was wrong. For my character is an impossibility in and of itself from a D&D standpoint. Demons are not born in this existencial plane and they certainly have no wolven traits. Sure, there are the Lythari and the Lupinals, a type of Guardinal. Sadly, they are both good aligned.
I do not fit here. I was aware of that, but I wanted roleplay and I tried to change my nature to achieve it. I thank Quen for approving my character and my business endeavors (also a glaring flaw; what demon worth his salt would bother to set up an inn?) and Sere for letting me keep the character and thus be one of those few that get to play a demon-based character around these parts. A planetouched, actually. Or half-fiend. Strill wondering which one might explain having wolven traits
Don't get me wrong though. I understand the logistical reason behind the demon limitations. It's the D&D setting I can't fit in because of my sheer ignorance.demons vary an incredible amount in D&D worlds, and especially in Forgotten Realms setting... though it is not as in anime, where they are typicaly attributed to some element or animal. i cannot realy think of any reason for Naki to be a "demon-wolf" myself, though i very much like the character.... planetouched is all i can think to fit it, but it wouldn't even be by demon... perhaps he is demon from something, and wolf-traits are gained from yet another outsider being, but that would also dilute his demonic and wolf-creature abilities a little. because he would still need mortal heritage seperrate from both of those. i can see it working however, seeing as he doesn't seem to hold any special magical or supernatural ability, or if he does it's not super-powerfull, or constantly active or anything. he's an interesting find, to be sure. for D&D stuff, it is realy just RPing, the stats on character sheets were mostly to make it simple for people to write down who had these characters in D&D games. in my case, i was just lazy, and transcribed my character. as i recall, it was recently decided that there would be a new rule of keeping character sheets Forum-RP-Style. so yeh, that's handled i guess.
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Posted: Sun Feb 21, 2010 4:21 pm
Chieftain Twilight i gotta say, i do agree with most of this, and it makes a perfect general idea, though i also just feel the urge to point out the variable nature of demons. In D&D there is no variable nature of demons. There are demons, and devils. Or infernals and abyssals if you prefer. Within the individual societies there is some variety, but all are essentially of the same base alignment. Chieftain Twilight there are some of those who do everything based on primal instinctual urges, or even jus the thrills. killing, raping, lieing, stealing, pillaging, burning, destroying, eating.... all because of lust or hatred or adrenaline rushes. maybe they had a party. or maybe they were bored. or maybe it just seemed like a good idea at th etime. Chaotic evil. Chieftain Twilight of course, this is coming from the standpoint of not believing in Good and Evil as universal objective concepts. these beings are, in my opinion, considered Evil, because they don't care whether they are evil or good. in D&D terms this would mean that some (typically only half-bred ones in this case though) would be just as likely Chaotic Nuetral or True Neutral as they would be Neutral Evil, Chaotic Evil or Lawfull Evil. Philosophy is a wonderful thing, but not really so useful in a gameworld with such creations as Protection from Evil/Protection from Good spells. Morals are absolute, since they can be determined by magic, thus there is no argument (within the gameworld) possible on whether good or evil exist. They do. End of. Chieftain Twilight also, the fear may be their, but it is usually not. demons that are afraid are weak. they are unwise. because true demons come from dimensions where they have no reason to be afraid. they are immortal! even if they die, be it i the Material world or some other realm, they will just come back. what do they have to fear? very few things exist that they have any reason to be afraid of. Bigger, nastier, scarier demons. Chieftain Twilight demons may be vengeant, seeking to kill or torture their summoners or masters, though they are not stupid. often times they will usually let that go unless they have confidence that said target will be easily slain or tormented. Demons do not forgive and forget. They will let something go only if it serves their long-term goals. They are, quite simply, evil. That means they will do whatever serves the cause of evil and law (or chaos, depending on the type). A lawful evil demon will honour the letter of a contract, twisting it as best they can for maximum suffering. They will not let it go because they are not 'confident' that a target will be easily slain. Chieftain Twilight i tend to play Tainted characters myself.... that is, characters who share their soul with a demon. however, it is always important not to overdo the amount of demonic activity in a game. besides which, as as said, it takes quite a trained, as well as broken, mind to properly (and safely) play these types of characters. it's a tall order. It does not take a broken mind to properly play an evil character. Even more so, it does not take a trained or broken mind to 'safely' play a character. Any reasonably healthy mind can tell the difference between fantasy and reality. If someone can't tell that difference, they need serious psychological help, and playing demons in D&D is the least of your worries.
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Posted: Sun Feb 21, 2010 4:24 pm
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Posted: Thu Mar 18, 2010 8:48 am
Mr Lapus Chieftain Twilight i gotta say, i do agree with most of this, and it makes a perfect general idea, though i also just feel the urge to point out the variable nature of demons. In D&D there is no variable nature of demons. There are demons, and devils. Or infernals and abyssals if you prefer. Within the individual societies there is some variety, but all are essentially of the same base alignment. Chieftain Twilight there are some of those who do everything based on primal instinctual urges, or even jus the thrills. killing, raping, lieing, stealing, pillaging, burning, destroying, eating.... all because of lust or hatred or adrenaline rushes. maybe they had a party. or maybe they were bored. or maybe it just seemed like a good idea at th etime. Chaotic evil. Chieftain Twilight of course, this is coming from the standpoint of not believing in Good and Evil as universal objective concepts. these beings are, in my opinion, considered Evil, because they don't care whether they are evil or good. in D&D terms this would mean that some (typically only half-bred ones in this case though) would be just as likely Chaotic Nuetral or True Neutral as they would be Neutral Evil, Chaotic Evil or Lawfull Evil. Philosophy is a wonderful thing, but not really so useful in a gameworld with such creations as Protection from Evil/Protection from Good spells. Morals are absolute, since they can be determined by magic, thus there is no argument (within the gameworld) possible on whether good or evil exist. They do. End of. Chieftain Twilight also, the fear may be their, but it is usually not. demons that are afraid are weak. they are unwise. because true demons come from dimensions where they have no reason to be afraid. they are immortal! even if they die, be it i the Material world or some other realm, they will just come back. what do they have to fear? very few things exist that they have any reason to be afraid of. Bigger, nastier, scarier demons. Chieftain Twilight demons may be vengeant, seeking to kill or torture their summoners or masters, though they are not stupid. often times they will usually let that go unless they have confidence that said target will be easily slain or tormented. Demons do not forgive and forget. They will let something go only if it serves their long-term goals. They are, quite simply, evil. That means they will do whatever serves the cause of evil and law (or chaos, depending on the type). A lawful evil demon will honour the letter of a contract, twisting it as best they can for maximum suffering. They will not let it go because they are not 'confident' that a target will be easily slain. Chieftain Twilight i tend to play Tainted characters myself.... that is, characters who share their soul with a demon. however, it is always important not to overdo the amount of demonic activity in a game. besides which, as as said, it takes quite a trained, as well as broken, mind to properly (and safely) play these types of characters. it's a tall order. It does not take a broken mind to properly play an evil character. Even more so, it does not take a trained or broken mind to 'safely' play a character. Any reasonably healthy mind can tell the difference between fantasy and reality. If someone can't tell that difference, they need serious psychological help, and playing demons in D&D is the least of your worries. Lapus is correct on all his points. And you might want to be aware that he is being much more tactful than some of us would be. I do believe he goes out of his way to try to keep his comments polite and respectful while still showing the failing of whatever he is pointing out. Getting an attitude about it just shows your inability to deal with constructive criticism.
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Posted: Thu Mar 18, 2010 9:40 am
Twi, consider this your last warning. Either quit being a baby and suck up the shitty attitude, or get out. I'm so very tired of hearing complaints about your behavior and rudeness towards other members, especially lately, and I have let it slide more than a few times. Whenever you state your opinion, you need to expect it to be countered. Otherwise, don't bother sharing it if you can't handle the rebuttal.
Being in a bad mood is not an excuse. That's okay if you've five. But you are old enough to know better; if you're having an off day and can't control your temper, stay the hell away from the internet. I will not ask again.
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Posted: Sun Apr 11, 2010 4:53 am
Tieflings are still good to go for characters right?
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Posted: Sun Apr 11, 2010 5:17 am
As far as I'm concerned, yes. They are. My Aglo was something like a tiefling.
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Posted: Sun Apr 11, 2010 5:40 am
The people of Uoe are not going to RP here. So you neednt be concerned with us. We are busy with our own controversy. But that does not mean we won't visit, especially since one of our annoyances in this guild has been distinguished.
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