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 Posted: Wed Jan 11, 2006 5:05 pm
Dante the Viking I think dating Esme Squalour would ravage anyone's mind. Yes, Esme, its all her fault. Not to mention Carmelita.
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Posted: Wed Jan 11, 2006 8:03 pm
missing nin itachi Dante the Viking I think dating Esme Squalour would ravage anyone's mind. Yes, Esme, its all her fault. Not to mention Carmelita. Indeed. Although, being on the run all the time, might be wearing his mind out as well.
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Posted: Wed Jan 11, 2006 8:07 pm
I doubt he was all that sane to begin with.
But look at how much Sunny has changed. In The Bad Beginning she was just a normal, not-very-bright baby. Now she's a young girl who can cook and use complex words and complete sentences, once in a while. It's just characters development, and to be honest I hadn't noticed Olaf's descent into madness because in my opinion it happened slowly and naturally over the course of events that would drive almost anyone nuts.
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Posted: Fri Jan 13, 2006 5:24 pm
Even though the change for Olaf was pretty gradual, I think it defenitely came out the most in the last book, not that that was really a bad thing. As for the Esme thing... good explanation, I'm surprised he didn't go insane before the 12th.
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Posted: Sun Jan 15, 2006 10:24 pm
Yeah, maybe... But Count Olaf was still entertaining back then, by the very intensity of his character. Now, he may be changing and developing, but he could still be amusing as a slightly-mad character. Sorry, Dan Handler, much as I love you, I'm going to have to point my finger at YOU. It's all YOUR fault! How DARE you present the Baudelaires a less-than-sufficient challenge?
I mean, the Baudelaires grew. Why couldn't Count Olaf grow, develop, learn from his mistakes? It'd make more sense, since he was even directly mentioned in the first book as being 'clever' by the narrator.
Well, we'll see. Maybe Book the Thirteenth explains it all. *sneaky, shifty eyes*
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Posted: Sat Jan 28, 2006 5:23 pm
I agree with all of the above opinions. The Baudelaire's maturity, Count Olaf's bad choices of acquaintances, and his slow descent into madness have all caused Olaf to become a less formidable foe. To be honest, though, I like the new Count Olaf better because his newfound stupidity adds humor to the story. I doubt that he was a good speller in the first place anyways.
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Posted: Sat Jan 28, 2006 6:16 pm
I think the only time Olaf's 'degeneration' is evident is when he's using his amazingly idiotic new villain laugh.
But bear in mind he developed it right after a meeting with the Man With a Beard But No Hair/Woman with Hair But No Beard, who he seems to be terribly afraid of. It's possible they unhinged him quite a bit as well.
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Posted: Sun Jan 29, 2006 3:52 am
Lyra_Slivertongue missing nin itachi Dante the Viking I think dating Esme Squalour would ravage anyone's mind. Yes, Esme, its all her fault. Not to mention Carmelita. Indeed. Although, being on the run all the time, might be wearing his mind out as well. Not to mention the stupidity of his acting troupe
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Posted: Sun Jan 29, 2006 5:13 pm
I think Olaf is getting more desperate, which makes him do things without thinking through them as much as he did before.
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Posted: Sun Jan 29, 2006 5:22 pm
Olaf seems to be getting caught up in himself. He's getting silly and slobby because he thinks he can't be beaten.
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Posted: Sun Jan 29, 2006 8:08 pm
Silverah Olaf seems to be getting caught up in himself. He's getting silly and slobby because he thinks he can't be beaten. Which is odd because he rarely wins, he just "runs away to die another day". However around the time of The Vile Village the tables turned and it was the children running away and disguesing themselves. He's somewhere in between right now, he's escaped with the orphans however they chose to and helped him... which is ... different? I forgot where I was going with this.
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Posted: Sat Mar 11, 2006 11:24 am
I liked Olaf best in book the tweflth. While he defintely degenerated in later books, I think him dumping Esme, calling Carmelita a spoiled brat, and becoming a less melodramatic character (as in, we see Olaf as not just a villain, but with at least a little human in him) redeemed him for TPP.
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Posted: Sun Apr 30, 2006 4:49 am
Harlequin Belmont I think the only time Olaf's 'degeneration' is evident is when he's using his amazingly idiotic new villain laugh. But bear in mind he developed it right after a meeting with the Man With a Beard But No Hair/Woman with Hair But No Beard, who he seems to be terribly afraid of. It's possible they unhinged him quite a bit as well. Yeah, that's a really good point! 3nodding He seemed to be really squeamish when he met them. 3nodding
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Posted: Sun Apr 30, 2006 5:13 pm
I must say that we can't think of Olaf as the only problem, challenge, obstacle, or antagonist for the Baudelaires. (Yay for synonyms!) They've got pretty much the whole world up against them now. So as Olaf degenerates, everyone else becomes more vicious. I wouldn't be surprised if they end up just joining him because they both need to hide out.
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Posted: Sun May 07, 2006 5:15 am
La Violetta I must say that we can't think of Olaf as the only problem, challenge, obstacle, or antagonist for the Baudelaires. (Yay for synonyms!) They've got pretty much the whole world up against them now. So as Olaf degenerates, everyone else becomes more vicious. I wouldn't be surprised if they end up just joining him because they both need to hide out. Yeah, the world is up against them because we could see how many villains there were in the last book. It seems that the whole world is joining up with the villains and there are only a few noble people left, including the Baudelaires. Yes, I wouldn't be too surprised if they ended up joining Count Olaf. 3nodding I hope it doesn't happen, though. sad
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