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 Posted: Tue Oct 27, 2009 9:49 pm
Shrantic uryu ishida Shrantic How does its cartridge (7.62x39mm) compare to the M1's? (.30-30) Is it accurate to at least 200 yards? (With a 16" barrel) Is the ammo commonly corrosive? (I WILL NOT buy it if it has corrosive ammo. I don't think x39 is corrosive, but I want to be on the safe side.) Are the Chinese SKS's well-built? I'm always on edge with products from China. Especially one that could kill me if it malfunctions. Are the sights any good? If not, are they inexpensive and easy to replace? How much, on average, does x39 cost? If I fire a few rounds into a deer, will it kill it? This is somewhat important because I've been wondering if I could just use an intermediate caliber such as the x39 and fire 3-5 shots instead of using the .30-06 we have, which isn't too accurate. The M1 is in .30 Carbine. .30 Carbine has the muzzle energy that .357MAG has at the muzzle at 200 yards. People hunt with .357MAG. .20-20WIN still has more muzzle energy than that, and more than x39. Damn. Is there any good intermediate cartridge that can take down a deer easily? Quote: The SKS isn't exactly very accurate. And the sights rather suck. I find them to sit quite a bit low. Can they be replaced easily? Quote: Depends on what you buy. Some surplus can be. I don't believe ANY new-production is (that goes for any caliber). Yeah, I just wanted to be sure. Is this a hit? Quote: No, you should not do that. One, most states have a magazine capacity limit for hunting, and two it's not the most humane way to do it. If a bolt-action .30-06 isn't accurate, a semi-automatic x39 isn't going to be either. You could probably find a good bolt-action .30-06 for cheap used. REALLY cheap. We've got a semi-automatic .30-06. Also, I don't want ANOTHER damn high-powered rifle. That's really all we have, (besides .22 and shotguns) except for the .35 Rem which kicks like a .30-06 because of its size. Also, in terms of accuracy, could an SKS hit a pie plate at 200 yards? .30-30WIN. Just order online. I don't work on SKSes, so I don't know. Anything that uses a caliber that HAS surplus has corrosive surplus SOMEWHERE. No, it is not a hit. It is fail. It makes baby Vishnu cry with it's Tapcofail. It doesn't even come with the original magazine, the one that WORKS! And they chopped the bayonet, which it looks like they are keeping. I say get an ******** Yugo, even if it's more expensive. Better quality. Browse the used racks. There are TONS of used rifles in various calibers for pretty good prices. If you limit yourself to intermediate (of which there are not very many of), of course your horizons are limited. None of us even try. We shoot for leisure, not for skill (except when they pull out the clay thrower...THEN IT IS ON!)
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Posted: Tue Oct 27, 2009 9:54 pm
Well, only the magazine was from Tapco. And I don't need a bayonet. But why do you call Tapco s**t? I can't find anything bad being said about it online.
Except from you. >.>
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Posted: Tue Oct 27, 2009 10:10 pm
Shrantic Well, only the magazine was from Tapco. And I don't need a bayonet. But why do you call Tapco s**t? I can't find anything bad being said about it online. Except from you. >.> I don't trust reviews on the website. Because I read them. Tapco magazines are s**t. Especially in the SKS, since it wasn't designed for external magazines to begin with. They turn an alright-reliable rifle into "what the ********. It's much better ot have an original, with the original 10-rounder built in, and have utmost reliability. It's designed to use stripper clips for a reason. They're actually faster than the magazine design that tapco is forced to use because of the rifle's design.
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Posted: Wed Oct 28, 2009 9:42 am
OberFeldwebel I think the milsurp x39 is corrosive. I think. I do know that the lake city .30 Carbine ammunition is non-corrosive. Also, $900 for an M1 Carbine? Buying from a shop? http://www.thecmp.org/m1carbine.htmGet Service Grade, rack grade is near the death of the barrel or unshootable. Is isn't very difficult to be able to get stuff from them the biggest thing is being 21. http://www.thecmp.org/eligibility.htmWhile it may take a couple months to get your order in and have it shipped you'll have about $300 to spend on ammo. If and when you do an order, have a couple selections of makes, in case they sell out of the one. Just looked, they sold out of mags. sad Just looked at the Garand. Hot damn, $500 for my all-time favorite WWII battle rifle? Sign me up! If I did, though, what grade should I go with? I want one of the grades that's under nine hundred, but I heard this talk about the rack-grade being s**t.
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Posted: Wed Oct 28, 2009 12:29 pm
uryu ishida Shrantic Well, only the magazine was from Tapco. And I don't need a bayonet. But why do you call Tapco s**t? I can't find anything bad being said about it online. Except from you. >.> I don't trust reviews on the website. Because I read them. Tapco magazines are s**t. Especially in the SKS, since it wasn't designed for external magazines to begin with. They turn an alright-reliable rifle into "what the ********. It's much better ot have an original, with the original 10-rounder built in, and have utmost reliability. It's designed to use stripper clips for a reason. They're actually faster than the magazine design that tapco is forced to use because of the rifle's design. So could I just buy the SKS I'm looking at and get an original magazine? I mean, I've really never heard of any common rifle that has a magazine that you absolutely cannot replace.
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Posted: Wed Oct 28, 2009 12:33 pm
Ah, screw it with that one. I found an SKS that's never been fired for $400 with the original magazine, sling, bayonet, etc.
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Posted: Wed Oct 28, 2009 2:27 pm
Shrantic Ah, screw it with that one. I found an SKS that's never been fired for $400 with the original magazine, sling, bayonet, etc. That's pretty much the Standard. I was in the gunshop today, and they had an all-original un-issued Yugo for $400. And that's with the shop markup. They also had an epic TON of shotguns. Apparently, they just restocked. Guess what I got mrgreen
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Posted: Wed Oct 28, 2009 2:28 pm
Requiem in Mortis OberFeldwebel I think the milsurp x39 is corrosive. I think. I do know that the lake city .30 Carbine ammunition is non-corrosive. Also, $900 for an M1 Carbine? Buying from a shop? http://www.thecmp.org/m1carbine.htmGet Service Grade, rack grade is near the death of the barrel or unshootable. Is isn't very difficult to be able to get stuff from them the biggest thing is being 21. http://www.thecmp.org/eligibility.htmWhile it may take a couple months to get your order in and have it shipped you'll have about $300 to spend on ammo. If and when you do an order, have a couple selections of makes, in case they sell out of the one. Just looked, they sold out of mags. sad Just looked at the Garand. Hot damn, $500 for my all-time favorite WWII battle rifle? Sign me up! If I did, though, what grade should I go with? I want one of the grades that's under nine hundred, but I heard this talk about the rack-grade being s**t. You'd want to spend the extra for at least a field-grade. They have an SA field-grade up for $500.
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Posted: Wed Oct 28, 2009 2:38 pm
uryu ishida Shrantic Ah, screw it with that one. I found an SKS that's never been fired for $400 with the original magazine, sling, bayonet, etc. That's pretty much the Standard. I was in the gunshop today, and they had an all-original un-issued Yugo for $400. And that's with the shop markup. Lucky duck. razz Quote: They also had an epic TON of shotguns. Apparently, they just restocked. Guess what I got mrgreen ...Remington 870? Mossberg 500? I've no clue. xd
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Posted: Wed Oct 28, 2009 2:41 pm
Shrantic uryu ishida Shrantic Ah, screw it with that one. I found an SKS that's never been fired for $400 with the original magazine, sling, bayonet, etc. That's pretty much the Standard. I was in the gunshop today, and they had an all-original un-issued Yugo for $400. And that's with the shop markup. Lucky duck. razz Quote: They also had an epic TON of shotguns. Apparently, they just restocked. Guess what I got mrgreen ...Remington 870? Mossberg 500? I've no clue. xd That one you linked in the thread has been bought-ified, if it wasn;t you that did it. Mossberg 500 Persuader mrgreen
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Posted: Wed Oct 28, 2009 4:41 pm
Shrantic zombie ll chan I don't know much about their workings but i say the Carbine is about the funnest to shoot out of the 3. :/ They're all carbines. neutral *face palm* I ment the M1 carbine. I'll try to keep a better eye on my typos so i don't look like an idiot again.
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Posted: Wed Oct 28, 2009 4:44 pm
Shrantic OberFeldwebel Shrantic Actually, I'd rather not get the M1 Carbine, I'd just like it as a comparative to the SKS and the AR-15. I know the AR-15 is more accurate and has a larger magazine, but has a less powerful cartridge. However, I do not know how the cartridge of the SKS measures up to a .30-30, and I'd like something either extremely similar or slightly less powerful. (Because .30-30 is hard to come by 'round here and x39 is generally cheaper.) I'm weening off the AR-15 because it's so damn expensive, despite the fact that I want it much, much more than either the SKS or the M1. Oh. Well, either of the rifles have pros and cons that pretty much level them off in a way. I thought 5.56 was pretty easy to come by. .223 is pretty easy to come by, actually. But the cheapest AR-15 I can find costs $650, and even then, .223 is more expensive than x39. Also, the SKS I'm looking at is in Excellent condition, has a 16" barrel, (pretty uncommon) includes a 20 round magazine, and comes with an extra stock. (Looks plastic, has a pistol grip) And it's all for $350. Sounds like a pretty damn good deal, if you ask me. But, I'm not completely sure. If you can, try to answer my questions in the OP. Those'll decide if I'm getting an SKS or not. What kind of SKS? $350 is about the price of a Russian SKS. Which if you can get I would suggest it, much better quality. If it's a Norinco, even with that tapco stock and that hit or miss 20 round mag it's too high. Must tell you, those removeable mags for the SKS don't work all that well. Some Norincos use AK mags but because of that they'll catch a good sum. There is a fixed 20 round mag out there for the SKS but I don't know who sells them and don't have any reviews for it.
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Posted: Wed Oct 28, 2009 4:48 pm
I would add to my post but the quote edit and delete buttons are gone.
If you're thinking of putting a scope on the SKS and expecting a sniper, no.
Any mounts, other than D&T wont hold zero, also it's the design, they're not that accurate and it's the round too, not accurate.
Well, the SKSs are made for human sized targets at 100 yards.
It is possible to hit a pie plate at 200 yards with an SKS I don't doubt that, but I wouldn't stake my life on it.
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Posted: Wed Oct 28, 2009 5:07 pm
Gaia is being retarded tonight I swear, me too I suppose for hitting submit before I finished reading all the responses. Oh well.
The Yugos don't really have history behind them and a lot of them are 'unissued' or otherwise 'refurbished'.
Watch out for that, if someone's selling an SKS as 'unissued' look for refurb marks.
On the Russian SKS it's a box like [/] or [] or a triangle <|> or <>.
No idea what they are on the others.
Avoid the rack grade unless you're going to buy a new barrel and stock for it.
Just skip the service grade (may have a knicked crown which will throw off accuracy and will need to get recrowned which is pricy) and get the Service grade.
I would pass on this SKS, those Tapco mags are s**t and since the original owner sold/trashed the 10 round and is now non-matching I would hold out for something else.
Also for around $350 you can get a Russian SKS, better quality and have a better margin of profit for resale later on. That is if it's all matching and not modified permanently.
No idea on the original fixed mag, but they'll probably go for $40-50 I would guess.
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