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 Posted: Sat Oct 10, 2009 7:28 pm
brainnsoup quietstorm 2 Schools have Harry Potter in the classrooms?, but the Bible is not welcome. And we wonder why children are shooting up the schools killing teachers and picking up on every detestable thing that is presented too them. It should be avaiable and elective. Just imagine a society that knew and use the wisdom to follow the ten commandments OR just love others as they loved themselves. can you just imagine. We offer students how to have safe sex and in the event they don't get it right the first time and pregnancy occours, we will instruct as to how to have an abortion without your parents knowledge or consent. As a matter of fact you can learn almost anything that will satisfy your flesh and possibly destroy it, but by no means can we allow a book that might help you avoid some of the snares of life. That part of our system is stricly for your parents, oh in case your parents happen to lack knowledge of GOD's written word, you'll just have to live without the knowledge. confused
People have done horrible things despite a religious upbringing or even sometimes in its name.
Kids don't shoot up schools because they are not Christian. And they don't shoot up schools because they read Harry Potter either...
And the ten commandments are a pretty awful code of morals. Almost half of them are bascially "Worship me!"
But it fails to forbid things a lot of things that I think everyone here can agree are morally wrong. Like slavery and selling your daughter. :l (Exodus 21:1-11)
I apologise for mocking the bible to prove my point, but I don't take it back.
It bothers me when people assume that acts of evil are committed because of atheism.
But I do agree that students should be allowed to learn about the bible.
I don't know if I would be so far as to make a class for it. At least not until college.
But I definitely support religious after-school clubs, as long as the school doesn't discriminate by allowing one religious group to have a club and denying another because of its religion.I agree with you where you said basically that it's a stereotype on people who aren't religious, atheist, and those who read Harry Potter,etc. are all the bad people. That's not true. I've heard about people who were religious and bible thumpers who have done just as bad or worse things than those who were not. What a stupid stereotype to put on people. As for teaching out the Bible in schools, it should be an optional choice and not forced upon those who do not wish to learn about it.
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Posted: Sat Oct 10, 2009 7:46 pm
quietstorm 2 -Tsukiyo-Moon Maiden quietstorm 2 Tsukiyo Moon Yes Harry Potter is fictional, however it opens the door to witchcraft, which is very real and pratice as a religion in Hatti, its called Voodoo. but thats another and big subject. So as not to change the subject I'm Just saying the Bible opens up a diffrent door and if doors are going to be open, our children should not only be exposed to just ;the bad, the ugly and inbetween; how about some life saving skills (the good). Someone mentioned the legallity, (some red tape). Well you might have heard about the housing crisis, where people through bad loans lost their homes, the lenders were given permission to rape that system, it was legal, the results were not good. Yes we are to respect the law, but I remember in the bible were Jesus said he did not come to break the law but to fulfill it. I'll sad use the example where the police car chased the speeding car to stop the speeder from possible hurting him/herself or others; but in the persuit the police have to also break the same law against speeding. sad Umm no it doesn't. Prove your statement or shut up. neutral Matthew 5:17 do not think that I have come to abolish the law or the Prophets. I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. Which means that you're not Jewish.
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Posted: Sat Oct 10, 2009 8:57 pm
I personally believe that the Bible should stay out of schools. I don't even think it should be an elective because think about it, if it was an elective, the state would have to hire a teacher, the teacher would be paid for by the state, i.e. tax payers money, to pay for a specific religious structure. I do not think that is fair, unless we had electives for book of mormon, torah, koran, etc. etc., then I don't think the issue should be brought up. If students want to go outside class time to a separate premise not paid for by taxpayers, then by all means.
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Posted: Sat Oct 10, 2009 8:59 pm
quietstorm 2 Schools have Harry Potter in the classrooms?, but the Bible is not welcome. And we wonder why children are shooting up the schools killing teachers and picking up on every detestable thing that is presented too them. It should be avaiable and elective. Just imagine a society that knew and use the wisdom to follow the ten commandments OR just love others as they loved themselves. can you just imagine. We offer students how to have safe sex and in the event they don't get it right the first time and pregnancy occours, we will instruct as to how to have an abortion without your parents knowledge or consent. As a matter of fact you can learn almost anything that will satisfy your flesh and possibly destroy it, but by no means can we allow a book that might help you avoid some of the snares of life. That part of our system is stricly for your parents, oh in case your parents happen to lack knowledge of GOD's written word, you'll just have to live without the knowledge. confused Harry Potter =/= religious, wiccan, witchcraft, or any subform of devotion to any particular way of life. Harry Potter = children's story made up for little kids to have fun and imagine. If you're going to play this card, then we might as well talk about how Chronicles of Narnia focus on the same action points that Harry Potter does.
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Posted: Sun Oct 11, 2009 9:22 am
Okay, I'm against having a class in public schools that is just about the Bible/Christianity because if you allow one, you must allow the rest. It's opening a can of worms. There are too many religions out there to allow for a class for each of them and/or their mythology or "holy" texts. There isn't the funding for it, not to mention enough time in the day. A general world religions class I would support, as well as after school groups or clubs, as brainsoup suggested. As long as all religious or spiritual patsh are allowed the same oportunity.
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Posted: Sun Oct 11, 2009 1:17 pm
In Medias Res IV quietstorm 2 Zslone2 Um... Quietstorm it's illegal to teach religion in public schools hence a Federal Law in the United States, while I don't know outside the country I know in the U.S it's illegal to teach religion in the public school system. Your allowed to bring the bible into school and read it yourself but your not allowed to make everyone else read it. And by all means it should not be forced but it should certainly have equality to other educational literature. and it good news to know at least it can enter the doors by those who take it in. smile Then the Bible would fall under "mythology class" because that is what it is, mythology. It would NOT be taught as literature. Not at my school its being taught as a work of Literature. I'm a Junior in Highschool and my English class is World Literature 1. Next years is World Lit. 2. The bible is the only religious text in the book were using and I did look through most of it. I find it completely unfair that, that loophole is allowed to be exploited. While some of the questions are from a literary standpoint most aren't and it's completely pissing me off. I protest every class and read it so everyone wants to fall asleep, It's completely unfair and I hate it, it's only for a little while but it's not fair.
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Posted: Sun Oct 11, 2009 1:29 pm
Zslone2 In Medias Res IV quietstorm 2 Zslone2 Um... Quietstorm it's illegal to teach religion in public schools hence a Federal Law in the United States, while I don't know outside the country I know in the U.S it's illegal to teach religion in the public school system. Your allowed to bring the bible into school and read it yourself but your not allowed to make everyone else read it. And by all means it should not be forced but it should certainly have equality to other educational literature. and it good news to know at least it can enter the doors by those who take it in. smile Then the Bible would fall under "mythology class" because that is what it is, mythology. It would NOT be taught as literature. Not at my school its being taught as a work of Literature. I'm a Junior in Highschool and my English class is World Literature 1. Next years is World Lit. 2. The bible is the only religious text in the book were using and I did look through most of it. I find it completely unfair that, that loophole is allowed to be exploited. While some of the questions are from a literary standpoint most aren't and it's completely pissing me off. I protest every class and read it so everyone wants to fall asleep, It's completely unfair and I hate it, it's only for a little while but it's not fair.
Maybe not entirely legal... But interesting.
Which parts are you reading?
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Posted: Sun Oct 11, 2009 1:43 pm
Zslone2 In Medias Res IV quietstorm 2 Zslone2 Um... Quietstorm it's illegal to teach religion in public schools hence a Federal Law in the United States, while I don't know outside the country I know in the U.S it's illegal to teach religion in the public school system. Your allowed to bring the bible into school and read it yourself but your not allowed to make everyone else read it. And by all means it should not be forced but it should certainly have equality to other educational literature. and it good news to know at least it can enter the doors by those who take it in. smile Then the Bible would fall under "mythology class" because that is what it is, mythology. It would NOT be taught as literature. Not at my school its being taught as a work of Literature. I'm a Junior in Highschool and my English class is World Literature 1. Next years is World Lit. 2. The bible is the only religious text in the book were using and I did look through most of it. I find it completely unfair that, that loophole is allowed to be exploited. While some of the questions are from a literary standpoint most aren't and it's completely pissing me off. I protest every class and read it so everyone wants to fall asleep, It's completely unfair and I hate it, it's only for a little while but it's not fair. Well it makes since to treat the Bible as Lit in a World lit course since it's been one of the most influential books on Western Thought. Even today, Dawkins and SRW wouldn't have anything to "comment" about if the Bible didn't exist.
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Posted: Sun Oct 11, 2009 2:17 pm
I actually have no objection to it, so long as it is not taught to the exclusion of anything else.
Given as a fiction is equal to a truth the bible is a well posed and proven means of teaching many good things- there's a lot that might be sacrificed on the altar of secularism but I see no reason that it should be.
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Posted: Sun Oct 11, 2009 3:32 pm
Were reading Genesis. I don't have a problem with the bible and school but I was asked a completely biased question after reading the Creation Rise and Fall. It stated " Many Religious texts are written to awe inspire the reader. How did The Creation Rise and Fall awe inspire me?" Like how is that question fair. I did ask the teacher if I was allowed to write it didn't awe inspire me and I was told to "Lie!" Like No. I'm not gonna say Yea i believe this is amazing because... Like No. And I wrote I thought the story sucked and was B.S. No offense to anyone that's just my belief. Like I understand why it's there as literature kinda not really.
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Posted: Sun Oct 11, 2009 4:21 pm
Zslone2 Were reading Genesis. I don't have a problem with the bible and school but I was asked a completely biased question after reading the Creation Rise and Fall. It stated " Many Religious texts are written to awe inspire the reader. How did The Creation Rise and Fall awe inspire me?" Like how is that question fair. I did ask the teacher if I was allowed to write it didn't awe inspire me and I was told to "Lie!" Like No. I'm not gonna say Yea i believe this is amazing because... Like No. And I wrote I thought the story sucked and was B.S. No offense to anyone that's just my belief. Like I understand why it's there as literature kinda not really. It has apparently inspired you to think, to have ideas as you otherwise wouldn't. You don't have to believe to be inspired.
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Posted: Sun Oct 11, 2009 4:39 pm
It inspired me to think the bible sucks. That count? Cause I know that wouldn't fly in my school.
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Posted: Sun Oct 11, 2009 5:01 pm
Zslone2 It inspired me to think the bible sucks. That count? Cause I know that wouldn't fly in my school. Of course not, that wouldn't be at all honest.
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Posted: Sun Oct 11, 2009 5:21 pm
Well you could write why you disagree with it and why you find it to be horrible and "wrong".
You do realize that there are multiple interpretations of the creation story in Genesis.
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Posted: Sun Oct 11, 2009 5:45 pm
King James Edition of Genesis. And i did tell why i thought it sucked. Sorry to offend anyone if I do but it is my personal opinion.
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