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 Posted: Fri Jan 01, 2010 12:59 am
Quote: You still haven't shown why it's a basic right... Basic rights example: The right to life Marriage is just a created institution that serves as a foundation for society through the growth and development of a familial unit which certainly gay couples should most definitely qualify for but call it what it is. lol thats not the meaning i was getting from the term basic right, so yes by your term it is not but by mine it is For some it is the ultimate test to see if they can win out over their biggest enemy, the church, for others they just want to be viewed legally as being married, and others i think just went with the crowd I think of myself as being the first though Quote: Removing a tumor would be removing a large chunk of unwanted flesh from your body. I'm talking about bio 101 here. The embryo/fetus is human, it's alive, it's a separate life genetically distinct from the mother. You may deem it small and unworthy of having it's own rights but that gets into the philosophy on personhood and you could make the case that it shouldn't be granted personhood but you cannot deny the biological fact that that hunk of flesh is a separate growing human at an early stage in development. Yes it may be alive and separate etc, but it is not human in my religions eyes. It may be to you but it is not to me Until the empty child opens its mouth and lets in a soul waiting to be reincarnated, it is not viewed as a human being(Without a soul the child cannot be judged or etc, the soul is a key part of my religion and without one you are basically dead, you never existed) and that is my religious belief you cannot disprove it nor can i prove it, but it is my belief and I will stick to it because I know the First Empress would not add this law to the reformations if she was not right and going against the Mothers wishes
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Posted: Fri Jan 01, 2010 11:56 am
XxXTemporary_IllusionXxX Quote: You still haven't shown why it's a basic right... Basic rights example: The right to life Marriage is just a created institution that serves as a foundation for society through the growth and development of a familial unit which certainly gay couples should most definitely qualify for but call it what it is. lol thats not the meaning i was getting from the term basic right, so yes by your term it is not but by mine it is For some it is the ultimate test to see if they can win out over their biggest enemy, the church, for others they just want to be viewed legally as being married, and others i think just went with the crowd I think of myself as being the first though Quote: Removing a tumor would be removing a large chunk of unwanted flesh from your body. I'm talking about bio 101 here. The embryo/fetus is human, it's alive, it's a separate life genetically distinct from the mother. You may deem it small and unworthy of having it's own rights but that gets into the philosophy on personhood and you could make the case that it shouldn't be granted personhood but you cannot deny the biological fact that that hunk of flesh is a separate growing human at an early stage in development. Yes it may be alive and separate etc, but it is not human in my religions eyes. It may be to you but it is not to me Until the empty child opens its mouth and lets in a soul waiting to be reincarnated, it is not viewed as a human being(Without a soul the child cannot be judged or etc, the soul is a key part of my religion and without one you are basically dead, you never existed) and that is my religious belief you cannot disprove it nor can i prove it, but it is my belief and I will stick to it because I know the First Empress would not add this law to the reformations if she was not right and going against the Mothers wishes So you would have your religion impact that fate of another human? It is human, that's biology...does your religion deny science?
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Posted: Fri Jan 01, 2010 5:01 pm
ALL religions impact the fate of other human beings stare
Actually no, i have no clue where that came from but my religion explains that certain things are cuased etc by a divine being, where as other events are just natural and have no divine touch
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Posted: Fri Jan 01, 2010 5:14 pm
XxXTemporary_IllusionXxX ALL religions impact the fate of other human beings stare Actually no, i have no clue where that came from but my religion explains that certain things are cuased etc by a divine being, where as other events are just natural and have no divine touch Everything impacts everything and everyone else... You're the same as the Christians who would impose their religious beliefs on everyone else, that's what I'm getting at. Religion has no place in the abortion debate since we are not living in a theocracy.
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Posted: Fri Jan 01, 2010 8:19 pm
No i was not, i was trying to tell you guys why i support it when it is needed or wanted
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Posted: Fri Jan 01, 2010 8:33 pm
Semiremis XxXTemporary_IllusionXxX ALL religions impact the fate of other human beings stare Actually no, i have no clue where that came from but my religion explains that certain things are cuased etc by a divine being, where as other events are just natural and have no divine touch Everything impacts everything and everyone else... You're the same as the Christians who would impose their religious beliefs on everyone else, that's what I'm getting at. Religion has no place in the abortion debate since we are not living in a theocracy. i know this is off-topic but i thought you were catholic and thus christian
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Posted: Sat Jan 02, 2010 3:54 pm
Actually Christianity evolved from Judaism and is in effect the older version of monotheism revolving around Jesus and his teachings, the Roman Catholic, Eastern Orthodox, Oriental Orthodox and etc churches are different and similar in many ways to Christianity but view themselves as separate entities
(If you belong to any of the Catholic churches or Christian denominations please correct any mistakes you find that post )
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Posted: Sat Jan 02, 2010 4:46 pm
XxXTemporary_IllusionXxX Actually Christianity evolved from Judaism and is in effect the older version of monotheism revolving around Jesus and his teachings, the Roman Catholic, Eastern Orthodox, Oriental Orthodox and etc churches are different and similar in many ways to Christianity but view themselves as separate entities (If you belong to any of the Catholic churches or Christian denominations please correct any mistakes you find that post ) Well i'm Christian but i never really thought of them being different religions but continue with the debate
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Posted: Sat Jan 02, 2010 5:18 pm
If im correct the Christian church does no take orders from the catholic church and they dont view the pope as their spiritual leader
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Posted: Wed Jan 27, 2010 3:46 pm
how did this turn into a religion battle?
i agree with abortion some of the time.
although i really hate the thought of it, and know that an experience like that could be very traumatizing, there are a lot of situations where ithink it is perfectly acceptable.
but i really dont think that a woman who is more than capable of taking care of a child should get an abortion just because the baby was an accident or something. when its a situation like that, i think that it is completely and totally wrong.
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Posted: Wed Jan 27, 2010 3:59 pm
If you want the child then keep it, if you don’t then get an abortion instead
If anti-abortionists just learned to accept the fact that maybe other people don’t want children then this whole fight wouldn’t even be here
( I laugh at people who are totally against it because guess what just because you love children and want every one that you or your wife gives birth to doesn’t mean everyone else feels the same way)
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Posted: Wed Mar 17, 2010 1:37 am
the world is in crisis. we are overpopulated and its only going to get worse. This necessitates a re-evaluation of the view that filling the earth with babies is a moral good mandated by God. This is just no longer the case.
Continuing to fill the earth with babies at this point will only cause war, death, suffering, famine, and a sharper division of resources.
I think it is perfectly reasonable to value a viable human being over a non viable potential human and making decisions regarding the technicality of existence for a non-viable potential human should be made at the convenience of currently existing living humans. Until the potential human is viable, it is just a part of the woman's body.
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Posted: Wed Mar 17, 2010 5:43 am
I personally am against abortions. Even thought the fetus hasn't been born, it's still a human, even if it's still developing. I mean, what if abortion was as big as it is now around the time all of us were born? Do you think some of us wouldn't be here because their mother wasn't ready to have a child? I think so. A person's a person, even if he/she hasn't been born.
I'd understand if someone got an abortion if they knew they'd die having the child, I know someone who had to do that, but she didn't want to. She actually wanted to keep the child even thought it would leave her in the hospital at about 4 or 5 months into the pregnacy. But the doctors and her husband talked her into the abortion. She cried for weeks, no joke. I felt bad for her.
And if someone does get pregnant and they're too young, you know what I say? Should've used protection. And if they did, then i'd say, "then you should've kept your legs shut."
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Posted: Wed Mar 17, 2010 5:43 pm
I could care less if i wasn't born. Life would go on without me and it always will, my life is insignificant compared to the billions of lives that can be found on this planet.
It doesn't matter what you want, its what the mother wants stare
If the mother doesn't want the child then she shouldn't have it.
If she does want it then she can have them.
Simple as that, its called free will and we are in no position to impose our own personal beliefs on those who don't share them
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Posted: Fri Mar 19, 2010 4:45 pm
In the case of rape: It's okay in my book.
If you had unprotected sex and got pregnant as a result, you should accept responsibility for your actions.
What I dislike about abortion though is that some people use it for personal gain-- simply because they don't want to take care of a child and want to continue being loose.
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