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 Posted: Sat Sep 05, 2009 8:23 am
fallen_vampire_immortal xxEternallyBluexx fallen_vampire_immortal xxEternallyBluexx fallen_vampire_immortal Well Im starting to understand your religon and why its so hard to leave it. Well do you know who made the crack on the moon?We beleive Muhammed (SAW) showed the Kafirun (Disbeleivers) a miracle but they didnt beleive him.Try to understand the religon of the One God Allah. Do you know about Dajaal? He will be born forty years before Isa (AS)[Jesus] will come back. Dajaal will force us to prostrate to him.He'll pull out our nerves and other torture tactics to force us.Its horibble. My religon is sometimes a little freaky.I searched the net for His miracles and i saw a picture of a rock.It was litrally floating!!!!! We all know about Satan. I still don't understand yours. You want me to leave my religion? I think Christianity has more to it, down to the fact that we serve a God who loves us enough to send His Son to die for us. Can you say the same for Allah? What solution does your religion offer for man's sins? And Ani, some miracles are true. There's some hoaxes, but I'd have a hard time believing that all the miracles were hoaxes coincidences or what have you. He doesn't 'just make us believe' because He wants us to choose Him. He already has angels to serve Him. But you're right, in a way. God gave us a great power with the freedom of choice. If there's a God, then it makes sense for Him to take interest in His creation. That means He probrably sent a message to humanity in some way, if He cares. There is a verse in the Quran: "Ar Rahman nir Raheem" Transalation: The most gracious and most merciful. Im not saying to leave your religon.Your life your choice. Allah forgives all sins exept Shirk.Shirk is associating partners with Allah. If someone beleives in Zeus for example that is Shirk My God has no father, brother, sister, mother or any relative.He does not eat or sleep.He is immortal.And most important, He is Oft-forgiving and All Knowing Sorry sweatdrop but you did imply it when you said,"Well Im starting to understand your religon and why its so hard to leave it." And a just god can't just forgive. The penalty for sin was death. How does Allah free you from that penalty and still be true to his nature (assuming that justice is part of Allah's nature)? Justice is to the people who commit Shirk If we commit Shirk the penalty is Hell for a lifetime And Allah is Most Gracious Most Merciful But what about Just? And if that's the only thing that causes a person to go to Hell, then why do you follow the Five Pillars?
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Posted: Sat Sep 05, 2009 10:24 am
fallen_vampire_immortal xxEternallyBluexx fallen_vampire_immortal xxEternallyBluexx fallen_vampire_immortal Well Im starting to understand your religon and why its so hard to leave it. Well do you know who made the crack on the moon?We beleive Muhammed (SAW) showed the Kafirun (Disbeleivers) a miracle but they didnt beleive him.Try to understand the religon of the One God Allah. Do you know about Dajaal? He will be born forty years before Isa (AS)[Jesus] will come back. Dajaal will force us to prostrate to him.He'll pull out our nerves and other torture tactics to force us.Its horibble. My religon is sometimes a little freaky.I searched the net for His miracles and i saw a picture of a rock.It was litrally floating!!!!! We all know about Satan. I still don't understand yours. You want me to leave my religion? I think Christianity has more to it, down to the fact that we serve a God who loves us enough to send His Son to die for us. Can you say the same for Allah? What solution does your religion offer for man's sins? And Ani, some miracles are true. There's some hoaxes, but I'd have a hard time believing that all the miracles were hoaxes coincidences or what have you. He doesn't 'just make us believe' because He wants us to choose Him. He already has angels to serve Him. But you're right, in a way. God gave us a great power with the freedom of choice. If there's a God, then it makes sense for Him to take interest in His creation. That means He probrably sent a message to humanity in some way, if He cares. There is a verse in the Quran: "Ar Rahman nir Raheem" Transalation: The most gracious and most merciful. Im not saying to leave your religon.Your life your choice. Allah forgives all sins exept Shirk.Shirk is associating partners with Allah. If someone beleives in Zeus for example that is Shirk My God has no father, brother, sister, mother or any relative.He does not eat or sleep.He is immortal.And most important, He is Oft-forgiving and All Knowing Sorry sweatdrop but you did imply it when you said,"Well Im starting to understand your religon and why its so hard to leave it." And a just god can't just forgive. The penalty for sin was death. How does Allah free you from that penalty and still be true to his nature (assuming that justice is part of Allah's nature)? Justice is to the people who commit Shirk If we commit Shirk the penalty is Hell for a lifetime And Allah is Most Gracious Most Merciful But didnt Mohammed himself commit Shirk when he said to the people of Mecca... Quote: Have you considered Allāt and al-'Uzzā and Manāt, the other third? These are the exalted gharāniq, whose intercession is hoped for. Muhammad ibn Jarir al-Tabari, a very reliable Persian historian, made a written account of these the prophets words. Mohammed asks for the intercession of the three patron pagan goddesses of Mecca in order to appease the cities people. Will Mohammed not burn in hell for this most unforgivable and blasphemous false testimony against the oneness of Allah ?
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Posted: Sat Sep 05, 2009 12:16 pm
fallen_vampire_immortal I dont get it.There are so many miracles of Allah and still the disbeleivers dont come to our religon.The Sand fountain, the girl who cried sharp crystals, the boy who had Allah written on his ear, he mosques who stood after the tsunamis and earthquakes.etc. No offence to disbeleivers but my Islamiat sir told me the Christians make their own religon up.Soon they might be starting to worship Elisha. I am not going to offend anyones religon because it is a bad thing to do so.It might bring me a few steps closer to Hell (Jahannum). Ur one of MANY people who are drawing or examining battle lines without an open mind, you need to know that this is how the world works. I am Christian and I view the doctrine as truth, but I'm not gonna stamp my feet over people not accepting my faith despite how long its lasted, miracles, etc. etc.
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Posted: Sat Sep 05, 2009 8:43 pm
Eternally blue.I follow thw pillars because i was created to do so.Allah doesnt want people to worship him, The prayer is for our own selves.Allah is seeing us doing good and bad deeds
Dio. Muhammed has never commited shirk because he was the last prophet and he was to faithful to leave
Gale. This is a Religon Debate, not a debate of what I said
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Posted: Mon Sep 07, 2009 4:41 pm
fallen_vampire_immortal Eternally blue.I follow thw pillars because i was created to do so.Allah doesnt want people to worship him, The prayer is for our own selves.Allah is seeing us doing good and bad deeds Dio. Muhammed has never commited shirk because he was the last prophet and he was to faithful to leave Gale. This is a Religon Debate, not a debate of what I said But everyone has sinned! An omnipotent Just God who oversees the Heavens can't just let that go! Therefore Allah is either not Just, or imperfect. How can Jesus be a prophet? You never really explained that one. It still doesn't make sense to follow the Five Pillars. If we were created to do so, doubtless everyone would do it. You also didn't really explain how Muhammed didn't commit shirk.
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Posted: Mon Sep 07, 2009 5:53 pm
fallen_vampire_immortal Eternally blue.I follow thw pillars because i was created to do so.Allah doesnt want people to worship him, The prayer is for our own selves.Allah is seeing us doing good and bad deeds Dio. Muhammed has never commited shirk because he was the last prophet and he was to faithful to leave Gale. This is a Religon Debate, not a debate of what I said That's a little rediculous, what you said has to deal with religion and your 'question' was IN what you said, you made no sense and I'm going to assume its because you've been intimidated of what I said because I was right rolleyes (*sigh* twelve year olds should NOT be on gaia)
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Posted: Mon Sep 07, 2009 5:58 pm
xxEternallyBluexx fallen_vampire_immortal Eternally blue.I follow thw pillars because i was created to do so.Allah doesnt want people to worship him, The prayer is for our own selves.Allah is seeing us doing good and bad deeds Dio. Muhammed has never commited shirk because he was the last prophet and he was to faithful to leave Gale. This is a Religon Debate, not a debate of what I said But everyone has sinned! An omnipotent Just God who oversees the Heavens can't just let that go! Therefore Allah is either not Just, or imperfect. How can Jesus be a prophet? You never really explained that one. It still doesn't make sense to follow the Five Pillars. If we were created to do so, doubtless everyone would do it. You also didn't really explain how Muhammed didn't commit shirk. How can he not be a prophet? What makes you think that Muslims believe in the Christian concept of sin?
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Posted: Mon Sep 07, 2009 6:06 pm
-Tsukiyo-Moon Maiden xxEternallyBluexx fallen_vampire_immortal Eternally blue.I follow thw pillars because i was created to do so.Allah doesnt want people to worship him, The prayer is for our own selves.Allah is seeing us doing good and bad deeds Dio. Muhammed has never commited shirk because he was the last prophet and he was to faithful to leave Gale. This is a Religon Debate, not a debate of what I said But everyone has sinned! An omnipotent Just God who oversees the Heavens can't just let that go! Therefore Allah is either not Just, or imperfect. How can Jesus be a prophet? You never really explained that one. It still doesn't make sense to follow the Five Pillars. If we were created to do so, doubtless everyone would do it. You also didn't really explain how Muhammed didn't commit shirk. How can he not be a prophet? What makes you think that Muslims believe in the Christian concept of sin? How can He be? He said He was the Son of God. If He's correct, then He isn't a prophet. If He's incorrect, then He was either a liar delusional or insane. If He was those, then He can't be a prophet either. To sin is to do wrong. Everyone (except Jesus) has done wrong.
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Posted: Tue Sep 08, 2009 1:55 am
OK OK!!
Stop posting too frequently
The punishment of sins will be in the Hereafter. Its a couple million years in Hell (For Muslims!!!!) then when that time finishesyou go to Heaven.
For Non-Muslims...................His/Her lifetime in Hell.
Jesus (Isa) was (is) a prophet.
Ok explain this.
Marium the mother of Isa never married when Isa was born.
Isa could talk at a young age.
Many miracles were performed by Isa.
This is a tiny bit of Allah's power.
There is or was no solid proof of Isa (Jesus) being son of God
Explain and give proof how he's Son of God.
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Posted: Tue Sep 08, 2009 2:42 am
In the Infancy Gospel of Thomas, Jesus made sparrows of clay and brought them to life. Does this count as creation? Would this be an act of divinity?
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Posted: Tue Sep 08, 2009 6:20 am
Sin is an english word translated from the Hebrew word "het" which means "to err" or "to miss the mark" and the Greek word "hamartia" which also means "to miss the mark". It wasn't until the middle ages did the word "sin" have the implications of doing evil or committing a crime. If the concept of sin in Islam means "to miss the mark" then I'd say that they would have a similar concept of "sin" as classical Christianity.
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Posted: Tue Sep 08, 2009 6:23 am
fallen_vampire_immortal OK OK!! Stop posting too frequently The punishment of sins will be in the Hereafter. Its a couple million years in Hell (For Muslims!!!!) then when that time finishesyou go to Heaven. For Non-Muslims...................His/Her lifetime in Hell. Jesus (Isa) was (is) a prophet. Ok explain this. Marium the mother of Isa never married when Isa was born. Isa could talk at a young age. Many miracles were performed by Isa. This is a tiny bit of Allah's power. There is or was no solid proof of Isa (Jesus) being son of God Explain and give proof how he's Son of God. It can't be proven or disproven. It's part of the mythos of most Christian systems. It's especially critical for this myth to taken as a Truth in certain branches of Christian Mysticism.
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Posted: Tue Sep 08, 2009 8:16 am
Sanguina Cruenta In the Infancy Gospel of Thomas, Jesus made sparrows of clay and brought them to life. Does this count as creation? Would this be an act of divinity? That's also in the Koran.
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Posted: Tue Sep 08, 2009 9:13 am
-Tsukiyo-Moon Maiden xxEternallyBluexx fallen_vampire_immortal Eternally blue.I follow thw pillars because i was created to do so.Allah doesnt want people to worship him, The prayer is for our own selves.Allah is seeing us doing good and bad deeds Dio. Muhammed has never commited shirk because he was the last prophet and he was to faithful to leave Gale. This is a Religon Debate, not a debate of what I said But everyone has sinned! An omnipotent Just God who oversees the Heavens can't just let that go! Therefore Allah is either not Just, or imperfect. How can Jesus be a prophet? You never really explained that one. It still doesn't make sense to follow the Five Pillars. If we were created to do so, doubtless everyone would do it. You also didn't really explain how Muhammed didn't commit shirk. How can he not be a prophet? What makes you think that Muslims believe in the Christian concept of sin? DUH! It's the ONLY concept of sin.
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Posted: Tue Sep 08, 2009 9:19 pm
fallen_vampire_immortal OK OK!! Stop posting too frequently The punishment of sins will be in the Hereafter. Its a couple million years in Hell (For Muslims!!!!) then when that time finishesyou go to Heaven. For Non-Muslims...................His/Her lifetime in Hell. Jesus (Isa) was (is) a prophet. Ok explain this. Marium the mother of Isa never married when Isa was born. Isa could talk at a young age. Many miracles were performed by Isa. This is a tiny bit of Allah's power. There is or was no solid proof of Isa (Jesus) being son of God Explain and give proof how he's Son of God. Posting too frequently? That doesn't really make sense. So Allah doesn't spare anyone, including his own people from Hell? There's proof right there. There's also the fact He called Himself the Son of God, and all the prophecies about Him. And consider this: the Messiah (Jesus) had many prophets saying He would come. There's 300 or more prophecies pertaining to Him. Depending on how you interpret it, Jesus has fulfilled all those prophecies. (Jews disagree, but that isn't an argument for this topic. I'm more pointing all the prophecies surrounding the Messiah, not whether He fulfilled them.) Now if Muhammad was half as important, don't you think there'd be OT and NT prophecies about him? There is nothing pointing to him being important. He didn't perform miracles, and he disregarded two religions. Do you see what I mean?
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