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 Posted: Fri Apr 30, 2010 10:53 pm
----Artificial restoration is possible both in theory and in practice... a question though is if one can feel with the foresk*n if it is restored, the only reason I know this is because a year ago I stumbled on an a doctor who was "restored" I don't have the link (it's dead burning_eyes )...
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Posted: Fri Apr 30, 2010 11:44 pm
I'm not Jewish but I had my son circumsized for just purely hygiene reasons.
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Posted: Sat May 01, 2010 9:18 am
divineseraph No. Just no. Nobody has the right to mutilate another human being without consent. If you want to have your foreskin cut off, by all means go right ahead. But don't force it on your children. Would you force a tattoo of a star of David on your child? Would you allow a Christian to tattoo a crucifix on theirs? It's not an issue of the religion being bad or the practice being bad. The part that is bad is forcing a permanent bodily change on a child. Tatoos are strongly against Jewish Law.
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Posted: Sat May 01, 2010 9:21 am
shadowflameguardian I'm not Jewish but I had my son circumsized for just purely hygiene reasons. Alright but remember, the hygiene issue is not to be argued here. This is a RELIGIOUS circumcision thread.
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Posted: Sat May 01, 2010 1:02 pm
Lumanny the Space Jew shadowflameguardian I'm not Jewish but I had my son circumsized for just purely hygiene reasons. Alright but remember, the hygiene issue is not to be argued here. This is a RELIGIOUS circumcision thread. But that is what I am saying is I have no problem with it religious or not. It is part of a religion, yes, but it is a good idea besides that. I don't see why this would be a problem.
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Posted: Sat May 01, 2010 4:39 pm
shadowflameguardian Lumanny the Space Jew shadowflameguardian I'm not Jewish but I had my son circumsized for just purely hygiene reasons. Alright but remember, the hygiene issue is not to be argued here. This is a RELIGIOUS circumcision thread. But that is what I am saying is I have no problem with it religious or not. It is part of a religion, yes, but it is a good idea besides that. I don't see why this would be a problem. All I'm saying is let's not argue the hygiene. Let's keep this a Religious Debate.
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Posted: Sat May 01, 2010 5:16 pm
Many religious traditions go hand in hand with hygiene. For example, Ancient Egyptians used to shave their heads for religious purposes but to also get rid of bugs in the hair.
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Posted: Sat May 01, 2010 8:37 pm
---- stare , I agree with Lumany, we should just KILL THE HYGINE ARGUMENT ALREADY exclaim ... Let's stay on topic (ie, the religious aspects of circumcision exclaim )...
----again If you want to do it then go ahead, I'm not gonna stop you; I encourage you to stay true to your God and whatever covenants thou hast with it... ninja
----but I would kill someone if they tried to circumcise my son!!! burning_eyes burning_eyes burning_eyes burning_eyes burning_eyes burning_eyes burning_eyes burning_eyes burning_eyes
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Posted: Sat May 01, 2010 9:27 pm
divineseraph No. Just no. Nobody has the right to mutilate another human being without consent. If you want to have your foreskin cut off, by all means go right ahead. But don't force it on your children. Would you force a tattoo of a star of David on your child? Would you allow a Christian to tattoo a crucifix on theirs? It's not an issue of the religion being bad or the practice being bad. The part that is bad is forcing a permanent bodily change on a child. Do you have any idea how painful it'd be to be circumcised after babyhood? There's a tribe in Africa that has their teenage boys do it, and after having it done they lie in pain for days. If a guy's gonna have it done, it's probably best as an infant. Besides that, the OT specifies when God wants it done, and I don't really think any guys will mind much about it having been done to them as an infant. It's a small bodily change, that has a time-span at which it's most convenient to have it done which happens to be when the child can't voice an opinion, and that has religious meaning. I don't think it's a big deal, or that 'forcing a bodily change' on a child should be a big issue here. I mean, we do it with other things, we just tend to have health reasons for those (tonsils, and appendixes being removed, braces, etc.).
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Posted: Sat May 01, 2010 11:04 pm
"Of all of the commandments in Judaism, the brit milah (literally, Covenant of Circumcision) is probably the one most universally observed. It is commonly referred to as a bris (covenant, using the Ashkenazic pronunciation). Even the most secular of Jews, who observe no other part of Judaism, almost always observe these laws. Of course, until quite recently, the majority of males in the United States were routinely circumcised, so this doesn't seem very surprising. But keep in mind that there is more to the ritual of the brit milah than merely the process of physically removing the foreskin, and many otherwise non-observant Jews observe the entire ritual.
The commandment to circumcise is given at Gen. 17:10-14 and Lev. 12:3. The covenant was originally made with Abraham. It is the first commandment specific to the Jews.
Like so many Jewish commandments, the brit milah is commonly perceived to be a hygienic measure; however the biblical text states the reason for this commandment quite clearly: circumcision is an outward physical sign of the eternal covenant between G-d and the Jewish people. It is also a sign that the Jewish people will be perpetuated through the circumcised man."
Yes it is painful for a child but it is a part of their religion, just like a baptism for Baptist.
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Posted: Sun May 02, 2010 12:17 am
xxEternallyBluexx divineseraph No. Just no. Nobody has the right to mutilate another human being without consent. If you want to have your foreskin cut off, by all means go right ahead. But don't force it on your children. Would you force a tattoo of a star of David on your child? Would you allow a Christian to tattoo a crucifix on theirs? It's not an issue of the religion being bad or the practice being bad. The part that is bad is forcing a permanent bodily change on a child. Do you have any idea how painful it'd be to be circumcised after babyhood? There's a tribe in Africa that has their teenage boys do it, and after having it done they lie in pain for days. If a guy's gonna have it done, it's probably best as an infant. Besides that, the OT specifies when God wants it done, and I don't really think any guys will mind much about it having been done to them as an infant. It's a small bodily change, that has a time-span at which it's most convenient to have it done which happens to be when the child can't voice an opinion, and that has religious meaning. I don't think it's a big deal, or that 'forcing a bodily change' on a child should be a big issue here. I mean, we do it with other things, we just tend to have health reasons for those (tonsils, and appendixes being removed, braces, etc.). And the infant can decide this? It's the principle. Let's go with the tattoo again- Tattoos are quite painful. All the more reason to do them to an infant.
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Posted: Sun May 02, 2010 12:19 am
Lumanny the Space Jew divineseraph No. Just no. Nobody has the right to mutilate another human being without consent. If you want to have your foreskin cut off, by all means go right ahead. But don't force it on your children. Would you force a tattoo of a star of David on your child? Would you allow a Christian to tattoo a crucifix on theirs? It's not an issue of the religion being bad or the practice being bad. The part that is bad is forcing a permanent bodily change on a child. Tatoos are strongly against Jewish Law. Don't care. My new religion says that all babies must be tattooed with the Mark of the Living God, on their backs. Should I be allowed to do this?
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Posted: Sun May 02, 2010 8:07 am
Mau Aita Dirac ---- stare , I agree with Lumany, we should just KILL THE HYGINE ARGUMENT ALREADY exclaim ... Let's stay on topic (ie, the religious aspects of circumcision exclaim )... ----again If you want to do it then go ahead, I'm not gonna stop you; I encourage you to stay true to your God and whatever covenants thou hast with it... ninja ----but I would kill someone if they tried to circumcise my son!!! burning_eyes burning_eyes burning_eyes burning_eyes burning_eyes burning_eyes burning_eyes burning_eyes burning_eyes Thank you! The hygiene argument is a valid debate, but not here.
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Posted: Sun May 02, 2010 8:09 am
divineseraph Lumanny the Space Jew divineseraph No. Just no. Nobody has the right to mutilate another human being without consent. If you want to have your foreskin cut off, by all means go right ahead. But don't force it on your children. Would you force a tattoo of a star of David on your child? Would you allow a Christian to tattoo a crucifix on theirs? It's not an issue of the religion being bad or the practice being bad. The part that is bad is forcing a permanent bodily change on a child. Tatoos are strongly against Jewish Law. Don't care. My new religion says that all babies must be tattooed with the Mark of the Living God, on their backs. Should I be allowed to do this? If you believe your god commanded it.
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Posted: Sun May 02, 2010 10:04 am
Lumanny the Space Jew divineseraph Lumanny the Space Jew divineseraph No. Just no. Nobody has the right to mutilate another human being without consent. If you want to have your foreskin cut off, by all means go right ahead. But don't force it on your children. Would you force a tattoo of a star of David on your child? Would you allow a Christian to tattoo a crucifix on theirs? It's not an issue of the religion being bad or the practice being bad. The part that is bad is forcing a permanent bodily change on a child. Tatoos are strongly against Jewish Law. Don't care. My new religion says that all babies must be tattooed with the Mark of the Living God, on their backs. Should I be allowed to do this? If you believe your god commanded it. Really? Seriously? Come on.
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