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LordTalisEraphen

PostPosted: Sat Aug 22, 2009 8:37 pm


Gehenna is a junk heap outside of Jerusalem if im not mistaken
PostPosted: Sat Aug 22, 2009 8:38 pm


In Medias Res IV
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LordTalisEraphen
In Medias Res IV
Hell should not be taught, at all. The only reason for Hell in Christianity is the fear tactic. This place of eternal fiery damnation has absolutely no scriptural basis. No where in the Bible will you find "Sinners go to Hell", it's an idea that Dante came up with, and Milton. Such a stupid teaching.

Fear G0d and you won't go to Hell!

How about love G-d and be a good person?


I Agree with you 100% In Medias Res IV

Let's use simple logic , If Christ reward is eternal life then you cant have eternal torment because that's still eternal life ..


Obviously... rolleyes


For the wages of sin is death. Romans 6:23.

I just ruined your whole argument with one verse.

If you sin, you die. Hell may exist but it is not for humans. Gehenna is a real place you can go visit.


And I refer you back to the passage that I quoted from Luke (along with the two Blue quoted, which you also ignored). Hell is called 'the second death,' btw.

I think it's swell and all that you don't believe in hell, but stop lying through your teeth *ahem* telling us that OUR Scripture doesn't have any basis for it. stare

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Shmearwhiz

PostPosted: Sat Aug 22, 2009 8:39 pm


alteregoivy
From another post with several links, I saw this video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hzG7l5P9wO8

The thing that struck me is that the Fox employee has no clue of the reality of the psychological warfare that is visited upon children. I can testify to how terrible it is.

I became Southern baptist at a fairly young age, and by my teens, it became an obsession that ruled every facet of my life. I was told over and over again, "You must save all the non-believers now, or you will miss your chance and your loved ones will burn in Hell."

I was well aware that my parents and my brother were not Christian. I had a Jewish friend. I wanted them to be saved so badly, I cried myself to sleep on a regular basis because I was so terrified of what would happen to them when they died. I felt like their blood was on my hands because I was unable to convince them to believe in Jesus.

What was worse, I fell in love with a Unitarian girl. Not only was this girl I loved going to Hell, but I also believed that Satan was tempting me and that I was falling for it and that I had failed God.

Telling a child over and over that just about every natural desire a person can have is wrong and dirty and that you have to ask for forgiveness for even thinking about it is, to put it succinctly, sick. That qualifies as emotional abuse in my book. So much of my youth was wasted feeling miserable because of it.


Simple ignorance on part of the adult: "I'm older, I've suffered more than you'll ever have; kids have it so easy."

It's sad really. And it's the agent of a massive media corporation, I'd have expected no less. :[
PostPosted: Sat Aug 22, 2009 8:39 pm


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LordTalisEraphen
In Medias Res IV
Hell should not be taught, at all. The only reason for Hell in Christianity is the fear tactic. This place of eternal fiery damnation has absolutely no scriptural basis. No where in the Bible will you find "Sinners go to Hell", it's an idea that Dante came up with, and Milton. Such a stupid teaching.

Fear G0d and you won't go to Hell!

How about love G-d and be a good person?


I Agree with you 100% In Medias Res IV

Let's use simple logic , If Christ reward is eternal life then you cant have eternal torment because that's still eternal life ..


Obviously... rolleyes


For the wages of sin is death. Romans 6:23.

I just ruined your whole argument with one verse.

If you sin, you die. Hell may exist but it is not for humans. Gehenna is a real place you can go visit.


And I refer you back to the passage that I quoted from Luke (along with the two Blue quoted, which you also ignored). Hell is called 'the second death,' btw.

I think it's swell and all that you don't believe in hell, but stop lying through your teeth *ahem* telling us that OUR Scripture doesn't have any basis for it. stare


Hades =/ Hell.

I don't believe Hell exists for human beings to go to, aside from a VERY VERY small handful, like Hitler.

Atheists don't go to Hell.

I'm not sorry, in proper translation and scriptural context, no where does the NT say that people go to Hell for rejecting "Christ".

In Medias Res IV


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Tipsy Reveler

PostPosted: Sat Aug 22, 2009 8:40 pm


LordTalisEraphen
Gehenna is a junk heap outside of Jerusalem if im not mistaken


And neither we, nor the New Testament passages we're quoting, are referring to that place.
PostPosted: Sat Aug 22, 2009 8:42 pm


Since much of the New Testament uses parables and imagery, not to mention the riddles of Revelations, I don't believe Hell is a fiery pit. I think of it more as a separation after death from God. Who knows, we all might be living in Hell right now until we get it right in some future life.

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Tipsy Reveler

PostPosted: Sat Aug 22, 2009 8:42 pm


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LordTalisEraphen
In Medias Res IV
Hell should not be taught, at all. The only reason for Hell in Christianity is the fear tactic. This place of eternal fiery damnation has absolutely no scriptural basis. No where in the Bible will you find "Sinners go to Hell", it's an idea that Dante came up with, and Milton. Such a stupid teaching.

Fear G0d and you won't go to Hell!

How about love G-d and be a good person?


I Agree with you 100% In Medias Res IV

Let's use simple logic , If Christ reward is eternal life then you cant have eternal torment because that's still eternal life ..


Obviously... rolleyes


For the wages of sin is death. Romans 6:23.

I just ruined your whole argument with one verse.

If you sin, you die. Hell may exist but it is not for humans. Gehenna is a real place you can go visit.


And I refer you back to the passage that I quoted from Luke (along with the two Blue quoted, which you also ignored). Hell is called 'the second death,' btw.

I think it's swell and all that you don't believe in hell, but stop lying through your teeth *ahem* telling us that OUR Scripture doesn't have any basis for it. stare


Hades =/ Hell.

I don't believe Hell exists for human beings to go to, aside from a VERY VERY small handful, like Hitler.

Atheists don't go to Hell.

I'm not sorry, in proper translation and scriptural context, no where does the NT say that people go to Hell for rejecting "Christ".


Quit modifying your argument and your position. It's not making you any more correct, and it's not a proper way to argue.
PostPosted: Sat Aug 22, 2009 8:43 pm


Bouidicca
Since much of the New Testament uses parables and imagery, not to mention the riddles of Revelations, I don't believe Hell is a fiery pit. I think of it more as a separation after death from God. Who knows, we all might be living in Hell right now until we get it right in some future life.


Possible, although every other parable of Jesus takes place in a completely literal setting.

EDIT: By 'possible,' I don't mean that I believe it at all, just that it is possible to rationally argue.

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Shmearwhiz

PostPosted: Sat Aug 22, 2009 8:44 pm


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LordTalisEraphen
In Medias Res IV
Hell should not be taught, at all. The only reason for Hell in Christianity is the fear tactic. This place of eternal fiery damnation has absolutely no scriptural basis. No where in the Bible will you find "Sinners go to Hell", it's an idea that Dante came up with, and Milton. Such a stupid teaching.

Fear G0d and you won't go to Hell!

How about love G-d and be a good person?


I Agree with you 100% In Medias Res IV

Let's use simple logic , If Christ reward is eternal life then you cant have eternal torment because that's still eternal life ..


Obviously... rolleyes


For the wages of sin is death. Romans 6:23.

I just ruined your whole argument with one verse.

If you sin, you die. Hell may exist but it is not for humans. Gehenna is a real place you can go visit.


And I refer you back to the passage that I quoted from Luke (along with the two Blue quoted, which you also ignored). Hell is called 'the second death,' btw.

I think it's swell and all that you don't believe in hell, but stop lying through your teeth *ahem* telling us that OUR Scripture doesn't have any basis for it. stare


Hades =/ Hell.

I don't believe Hell exists for human beings to go to, aside from a VERY VERY small handful, like Hitler.

Atheists don't go to Hell.

I'm not sorry, in proper translation and scriptural context, no where does the NT say that people go to Hell for rejecting "Christ".


Hell is only for those who believe in Hell. If you don't know about Hell, then how can you go to it?
PostPosted: Sat Aug 22, 2009 8:47 pm


Shmearwhiz
In Medias Res IV
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In Medias Res IV
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Obviously... rolleyes


For the wages of sin is death. Romans 6:23.

I just ruined your whole argument with one verse.

If you sin, you die. Hell may exist but it is not for humans. Gehenna is a real place you can go visit.


And I refer you back to the passage that I quoted from Luke (along with the two Blue quoted, which you also ignored). Hell is called 'the second death,' btw.

I think it's swell and all that you don't believe in hell, but stop lying through your teeth *ahem* telling us that OUR Scripture doesn't have any basis for it. stare


Hades =/ Hell.

I don't believe Hell exists for human beings to go to, aside from a VERY VERY small handful, like Hitler.

Atheists don't go to Hell.

I'm not sorry, in proper translation and scriptural context, no where does the NT say that people go to Hell for rejecting "Christ".


Hell is only for those who believe in Hell. If you don't know about Hell, then how can you go to it?


Rather: if you don't know about Hell, then how can you avoid it?

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Shmearwhiz

PostPosted: Sat Aug 22, 2009 8:49 pm


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Shmearwhiz
In Medias Res IV
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In Medias Res IV
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Obviously... rolleyes


For the wages of sin is death. Romans 6:23.

I just ruined your whole argument with one verse.

If you sin, you die. Hell may exist but it is not for humans. Gehenna is a real place you can go visit.


And I refer you back to the passage that I quoted from Luke (along with the two Blue quoted, which you also ignored). Hell is called 'the second death,' btw.

I think it's swell and all that you don't believe in hell, but stop lying through your teeth *ahem* telling us that OUR Scripture doesn't have any basis for it. stare


Hades =/ Hell.

I don't believe Hell exists for human beings to go to, aside from a VERY VERY small handful, like Hitler.

Atheists don't go to Hell.

I'm not sorry, in proper translation and scriptural context, no where does the NT say that people go to Hell for rejecting "Christ".


Hell is only for those who believe in Hell. If you don't know about Hell, then how can you go to it?


Rather: if you don't know about Hell, then how can you avoid it?


How can you avoid the unknowing anyway? It's not fair that people who believe in God but not Hell would go to Hell (if that were the case) anyway. By your beliefs would this be so?
PostPosted: Sat Aug 22, 2009 8:50 pm


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Obviously... rolleyes


For the wages of sin is death. Romans 6:23.

I just ruined your whole argument with one verse.

If you sin, you die. Hell may exist but it is not for humans. Gehenna is a real place you can go visit.


And I refer you back to the passage that I quoted from Luke (along with the two Blue quoted, which you also ignored). Hell is called 'the second death,' btw.

I think it's swell and all that you don't believe in hell, but stop lying through your teeth *ahem* telling us that OUR Scripture doesn't have any basis for it. stare


Hades =/ Hell.

I don't believe Hell exists for human beings to go to, aside from a VERY VERY small handful, like Hitler.

Atheists don't go to Hell.

I'm not sorry, in proper translation and scriptural context, no where does the NT say that people go to Hell for rejecting "Christ".


Quit modifying your argument and your position. It's not making you any more correct, and it's not a proper way to argue.


I'm not modifying a damn thing.

I do not know a single damn person who will go to hell. A "lake of fire" proves ******** all. Please explain to me how "Sheol", "Hades", and "Tartaros" are hell.

At best, the NT says that you will cease to exist, not go to hell.

In Medias Res IV


In Medias Res IV

PostPosted: Sat Aug 22, 2009 8:53 pm


LordTalisEraphen
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LordTalisEraphen
Gehenna is a junk heap outside of Jerusalem if im not mistaken


And neither we, nor the New Testament passages we're quoting, are referring to that place.


in Matt 18:9 "the fiery hell" gheh'-en-nah in the greek



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PostPosted: Sat Aug 22, 2009 9:01 pm


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Obviously... rolleyes


For the wages of sin is death. Romans 6:23.

I just ruined your whole argument with one verse.

If you sin, you die. Hell may exist but it is not for humans. Gehenna is a real place you can go visit.


And I refer you back to the passage that I quoted from Luke (along with the two Blue quoted, which you also ignored). Hell is called 'the second death,' btw.

I think it's swell and all that you don't believe in hell, but stop lying through your teeth *ahem* telling us that OUR Scripture doesn't have any basis for it. stare


Hades =/ Hell.

I don't believe Hell exists for human beings to go to, aside from a VERY VERY small handful, like Hitler.

Atheists don't go to Hell.

I'm not sorry, in proper translation and scriptural context, no where does the NT say that people go to Hell for rejecting "Christ".


Quit modifying your argument and your position. It's not making you any more correct, and it's not a proper way to argue.


I'm not modifying a damn thing.

I do not know a single damn person who will go to hell. A "lake of fire" proves ******** all. Please explain to me how "Sheol", "Hades", and "Tartaros" are hell.

At best, the NT says that you will cease to exist, not go to hell.


Call it what you like. You said (before modification), a 'place of eternal fiery damnation.' The passages Blue and I quoted showed a scriptural basis for just that.

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Tipsy Reveler

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