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 Posted: Wed Aug 26, 2009 7:37 pm
Where are people getting this idea of black magick and white magick? I call this Intent, not black or white. magick is neither of the above mentioned, it is all in the person who uses their Will to help or hender. If a person is practicing witchcraft, it all goes back to "Harm None" or do unto others as you would have them to unto you" and of course people have that choice, and it goes with anything, I am not a white witch or a black, I'm simply a shade of grey, black and white are opposite- opposites to me refers to unbalance, and as a witch/pagan I would rather strive to be balanced.
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Posted: Wed Aug 26, 2009 7:40 pm
Jonathonn Seltzer Cole My parents are pagan. It is simply believing in "Live and let live". It is believing that everything has some potential life or energy. Any type of killing whether it even be an animal/insect is very wrong (animal sacrifical ceremonies are from old old pagans way back in the day). Bascially any type of ritual whether it be a spell or w/e is simply for luck. Just as a christian would make a prayer to jesus or say grace, it is simply a blessing and nothing more. Black magic is wicca and NOT pagan. Pagans do only white magic.
This is pretty much all I know. I don't really question my parents about there beliefs. But yeah this is just my opinion from what i've learned. Black magic is NOT Wicca. Wicca does not support black magic, and any true Wiccan would NOT do black magic. Also, Wiccan is Neo-Pagan, and to extent, Pagan. I am an Eclectic Pagan myself, but I study quite a bit on Wicca, and it does NOT use black magic whatsoever. Just a correction, not meant to offend you or anything. how long have you studied Wicca may I ask? I do not recall ever hearing someone who has studied or who practices a wiccan path call Magick "Black" and I have been at this for 11 yrs.. and define black magick for me? and as always I never mean to offend, simply asking
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Posted: Wed Aug 26, 2009 9:09 pm
Alayleia86 Where are people getting this idea of black magick and white magick? I call this Intent, not black or white. magick is neither of the above mentioned, it is all in the person who uses their Will to help or hender. There are systems of magic that use the black/white dualism though. Quote: If a person is practicing witchcraft, it all goes back to "Harm None" or do unto others as you would have them to unto you" and of course people have that choice, and it goes with anything, Not all witches use the rule "Harm none." And, if you really want to use it, you should probably use the whole phrase and not just those two words. Quote: I am not a white witch or a black, I'm simply a shade of grey, black and white are opposite- opposites to me refers to unbalance, and as a witch/pagan I would rather strive to be balanced. I would think unbalance would occur if one were to do only "black" magic or only "white" magic. To simply acknowledge that in some systems both exist really isn't unbalance that I can see confused
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Posted: Thu Aug 27, 2009 12:39 am
Violet Song jat Shariff Alayleia86 Where are people getting this idea of black magick and white magick? I call this Intent, not black or white. magick is neither of the above mentioned, it is all in the person who uses their Will to help or hender. There are systems of magic that use the black/white dualism though. Quote: If a person is practicing witchcraft, it all goes back to "Harm None" or do unto others as you would have them to unto you" and of course people have that choice, and it goes with anything, Not all witches use the rule "Harm none." And, if you really want to use it, you should probably use the whole phrase and not just those two words. Quote: I am not a white witch or a black, I'm simply a shade of grey, black and white are opposite- opposites to me refers to unbalance, and as a witch/pagan I would rather strive to be balanced. I would think unbalance would occur if one were to do only "black" magic or only "white" magic. To simply acknowledge that in some systems both exist really isn't unbalance that I can see confused I have never heard the terms used as such, what is black and what is white, what if someone's point of view is that white is the bad and black is the good? get where I am coming from,it doesnt make sense, magick isnt an entity last time I checked? out of all my years I have never heard the terms, thus the issue. and seriously do I need to complete the "harm none" most people I know will know what I am talking about but for your sake " harm none, do as thou wilt" and I also mentioned people have the choice to choose the tenet or not. I may have not said it in those words but it was implied.
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Posted: Thu Aug 27, 2009 12:47 am
tobiwants2cookies I don't know exactly but I think that the holiday easter was once a Norse (maybe considered Pagan) holiday worshiping the Goddess ester the goddess of the harvest it was just changed because it was probably on the same day as the passover The Venerable Bede mentions a festival during the spring months (not harvest wink ) named after a Germanic goddess called Ostara. Easter does take place around the same time of year and has absorbed some of the symbolism as part of cultural practises. This is the only place Ostara is mentioned. Personally I suspect "Ostara" was a regional name for Idunna. Others think perhaps Bede was being facetious or something. Still others recognise Ostara as an independent deity.
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Posted: Thu Aug 27, 2009 8:46 am
Alayleia86 I have never heard the terms used as such, what is black and what is white, what if someone's point of view is that white is the bad and black is the good? get where I am coming from,it doesnt make sense, Just because you've never heard of it before and/or it doesn't make sense to you, doesn't mean it doesn't exist neutral You would probably have to look to the specific traditions of CM and such to find out what each one considers "white" and "black" magic. And what if someone's view is such? Why should your view on magic and your morality trump their own? Quote: magick isnt an entity last time I checked? It *is* energy and has the ability to do work.... Quote: out of all my years I have never heard the terms, thus the issue. And now you have 3nodding Quote: and seriously do I need to complete the "harm none" most people I know will know what I am talking about but for your sake " harm none, do as thou wilt" and I also mentioned people have the choice to choose the tenet or not. I may have not said it in those words but it was implied. I'm sorry; I thought you'd appreciate having a conversation that includes specifics and context. I was apparently mistaken. There is a huge difference in meaning between "Harm none" and "An it harm none, do what ye will."
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Posted: Thu Aug 27, 2009 1:34 pm
But the fact stands Magick doesn't have a color its there as energy you give to accomplish what you want it to hopefully. Why do you have to give it specifics as to what it is? Magick is what it is there is no color or shade to it and no such thing as Black Magic or White Magic, you use it for your purpose and if you deem your purpose to be "good" would the magic be "White" compared to if you deem it "wrong" would it be "Black" what deems the magicks color? To me personally magic has no color it is only your will manifesting itself as you will it.
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Posted: Thu Aug 27, 2009 2:53 pm
Violet Song jat Shariff Alayleia86 I have never heard the terms used as such, what is black and what is white, what if someone's point of view is that white is the bad and black is the good? get where I am coming from,it doesnt make sense, Just because you've never heard of it before and/or it doesn't make sense to you, doesn't mean it doesn't exist neutral You would probably have to look to the specific traditions of CM and such to find out what each one considers "white" and "black" magic. And what if someone's view is such? Why should your view on magic and your morality trump their own? Quote: magick isnt an entity last time I checked? It *is* energy and has the ability to do work.... Quote: out of all my years I have never heard the terms, thus the issue. And now you have 3nodding Quote: and seriously do I need to complete the "harm none" most people I know will know what I am talking about but for your sake " harm none, do as thou wilt" and I also mentioned people have the choice to choose the tenet or not. I may have not said it in those words but it was implied. I'm sorry; I thought you'd appreciate having a conversation that includes specifics and context. I was apparently mistaken. There is a huge difference in meaning between "Harm none" and "An it harm none, do what ye will." maybe to you? I have another forum I use and have never had issues, we cut the context down, wasn't aware this was a big issue to you, next time I will use specifics if this is the case with you and others.. sound good?
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Posted: Thu Aug 27, 2009 4:39 pm
Alayleia86 maybe to you? I have another forum I use and have never had issues, we cut the context down, wasn't aware this was a big issue to you, next time I will use specifics if this is the case with you and others.. sound good? 1) This is very obviously not the other forum you use. 2) I was simply pointing out that the whole phrase gives the context to the shortened (and incorrect) "Harm none." I'm very terribly sorry if having a context for what is being talked about is burdensome to you in a discussion. Quote: But the fact stands Magick doesn't have a color It does have color if you participate in certain magical traditions. Quote: Why do you have to give it specifics as to what it is? Golly gee I dunno. You're totally right; who needs specifics? Why don't we just get rid of all of the different names for the branches of Paganism and all the names of the different magical traditions so we can all just be one big happy ******** scene of Pagans? That sounds SO much better. Who needs specifics and context to understand things? Quote: Magick is what it is there is no color or shade to it and no such thing as Black Magic or White Magic, I assume you have solid objective proof for this statement, yes? Quote: you use it for your purpose and if you deem your purpose to be "good" would the magic be "White" compared to if you deem it "wrong" would it be "Black" what deems the magicks color? To me personally magic has no color it is only your will manifesting itself as you will it. That's nice. Keep your "personal" input out of set, magical traditions kthx.
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Posted: Thu Aug 27, 2009 5:10 pm
Violet I never said it was a burden to use specifics, just used to the other forum easy simple, like a piece of pie!!!! it is what I am used to, like a habit, for example my morning rountine...
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Posted: Thu Aug 27, 2009 5:17 pm
Alayleia86 Violet I never said it was a burden to use specifics, just used to the other forum easy simple, like a piece of pie!!!! it is what I am used to, like a habit, for example my morning rountine... I know. I need to calm down. I've been on a huge rage-roll for like the past week and have no idea why emo . I'll probably try to not post often until I can either figure out why or make it go away xd
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Posted: Thu Aug 27, 2009 5:48 pm
True, some traditions do view magic in colors. I don't though.
And in the books I had read about "wicca" (the stuff that's just neo-pagan, not wicca) I kept reading that, "harm none" and the three-fold law.
I didn't like it, so I stopped reading anything with "Wicca" in it.
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Posted: Fri Aug 28, 2009 10:45 am
Pagan?
I think of French peasants.
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Posted: Fri Aug 28, 2009 12:38 pm
If your going to quote me then quote all of what i said and not just part or a sentence. For if you only quote parts of it then the original idea will not be conveyed as it should be. My ideas and beliefs are more important than tradition. I don't follow a set of guides rules passed down to me by someone therefore my beliefs dictate what i do.
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Posted: Fri Aug 28, 2009 2:47 pm
a WRONG religion that shudnt evn be on earth, but because of the stupid sins ppl hav done, this religion exists. black magic is considered real cause a very confused person made it. the only REAL religion is any branch of christianity. which means, buddhist, mormons, hindu, islamic, and EVEN PAGINS are all WRONG!!!!!!
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