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PostPosted: Sat Dec 10, 2005 8:16 am


Ravennwings
Well, to the person who said they especially hate it when people hunt with a gun because they have no chance, think about it for a minute. Would you rather they, A. Get shot and go down relatively quickly or B. Get shot with an arrow and run around for hours and hours with an arrow sticking out of them, getting caught on branches and yanking at them and causing more agony?

So far as the "not having a chance" thing goes, they have a helluva lot more of a chance than a cow. A cow trusts the farmer. The farmer fed him every day, gave him medicine, kept him healthy, kept predators away. That cow thought the farmer loved him. He could do nothing while being slaughtered to make our hamburgers. Now, think about the deer. The deer is wild and free. Yes it has to deal with predators and disease, but it has a fighting chance against them. At least the deer knows what the hunter is there for! He knows to run if he hears something strange, or sees something that shouldn't be there. And after a while, deer stop coming to places where they know hunters will be.

So think about alternatives, okay biggrin ?


so true.
PostPosted: Tue Dec 13, 2005 6:15 am


Ravennwings
Well, to the person who said they especially hate it when people hunt with a gun because they have no chance, think about it for a minute. Would you rather they, A. Get shot and go down relatively quickly or B. Get shot with an arrow and run around for hours and hours with an arrow sticking out of them, getting caught on branches and yanking at them and causing more agony?


Go to Kentucky hun, in the far Western end..

..because there, either the hunters don't know what a killshot is, or they are just pathetic with a rifle. Out there, we were driving on the way home and noticed a lot of deer dead on the side of the road, caught in fences, collapsed in ditches, and even along railroad tracks. None of this is because of cars or trains.. It was because of hunters who COULD NOT do a proper killshot. The deer gets shot enough to be wounded and flees in terror, only to get strangled on line fences, trip on tracks, or (worse thing ever) get shot by another hunter/ get hit by a motor vehicle. I was only horrified because those poor souls had to live their last moments of life in terror and pain because the person(s) hunting couldn't kill properly. -.-;; There is something called a firing range, you dolts! Practice on it sometime before you shoot a living thing!

i am apple pie
i was going down to the gas station and this gut had a real deer with no head and it was skinned hanging from his grawge.i just think hunters are very evil people.... who has the heart to:1.shoot an animal
2.skin an animal
3.eat it or display heads when they are done

i hate all thise people! crying


My great uncle and his son hunted for sport and I've never had a problem with it. My father came from a family (in Kentucky) where death to an animal wasn't uncommon -- be they domestic or wild. Chickens were slaughtered by hand every other day for dinner. They had dogs to help them hunt squirrels, raccoons, deer, rabbits, and every other piece of flesh considered tasty. Even when I had to sit in countless dens with enough deer heads and antlers to make a separate herd, it never bothered me. Although they, my great uncle and his son, hunt for sport now and then, they did it not too often -- and they always shared the meat with the family if they couldn't consume it all themselves. And let me testify, I thought I would never grow to like deer meat until they gave me some BBQ portions. x-X It was the craziest, tastiest thing I've ever consumed. Living in the wild did something to give it that KICK in your mouth.. Mmmmhhhmmmm..

Either way, it isn't fair to call hunters evil -- they are following through with what we did as nomadic people waaaaaay back in the day. Although the people back then hunted only for food, in this modern day and age, food is at the grocery store (a simple drive away). It's a wonderful feeling to return to your ancestorial roots and walk in the shoes of what your elders must have done. Sneaking through the trees, following the marks of the animal like a trained tracker, and putting yourself in the position of the predator. It's a much better feeling than walking down the cold meat aisle and plucking freshly cut beef cutlets from the lineup, in my opinion (and I haven't even experienced hunting yet). But what you think is your opinion and I will not argue with that..

..I just don't like the concept of you calling them evil. Poachers are evil. Black market folks are evil. Bull fighters are evil. Insurance companies are evil (don't ask). But hunters are NOT evil. The people I consider evil these days are those waltzing about and shaking their fingers in my face for consuming a hamburger or having meatballs in my spagetti sauce when they (of all PEOPLE) should talk because who's to say vegetable don't feel pain? They're a living being.. They breath, eat, and drink.. Aren't vegetarians killers in their own sense? The only difference is your hunting utensils are forks and boiling pot instead of a rifle or pistol. There is no right or wrong side to what human beings eat. I wish people would try to understand that.

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MonkeysThrowTheirPoo

PostPosted: Sat Jan 28, 2006 4:44 pm


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 16, 2006 12:17 pm


I thnk hunting is necissary to make sure the animal population stays down, but I don't think I ever could myself. I eat meat, but i could never participate in the act of skining and killing the animal. There's a different thing then eating meat and actually making it edible.

CaptainCheerleaderInsano


Thistle Moon

PostPosted: Thu Dec 07, 2006 10:59 am


My father is a hunter. If it werent for him I may not be alive today.

When I was a kid, my parents hit very hard times. THey were young and money didnt come easy. I was 3 and my brother was on the way. Hunting became a necessity.

My father hunted illigally. He only had a certain number of tags allowed per year but he brough home far more deer than was allowed. Venison became our main food source. We got sugar, flower, cherios, and a couple other things from the church. Veggies were bought with food stamps. I had to sell most of my toys in tag sales and medicine wasnt an easy thing to come by if I ever got sick. What he brought home kept me fed and healthy. Malnutrition is a very dangerous thing especially for young kids.

I didnt even know what beef tasted like until I was 5 or 6.

He also taxidermied to help bring in a little extra cash. He tanned the hides and made novelty items out of the hooves and antlers. He sold the skulls and whatever else he could to support our family.

On top of that, being exposed at such a thing at a young age taught me things that too many parents shy away from because they fear its effects on a young mind. I learned about life and death and had a full understanding of it before I entered preschool. I learned to respect nature and that when an animal is taken, every usable part must be used or eaten to respect the spirit of the animal. It gave its life to allow us to live. My father is a great man and taught me so much that I belive I am a better person today because of the hardships we endured.

I know many cant understand hunting and many hunters are wrong in how they hunt, but not all are bad. None are evil. We as humans are omnivores. We were not meant to survive on vegitation alone so I also cant understand how people can be vegans. But thats a whole other story.
PostPosted: Thu Dec 07, 2006 1:09 pm


Well said, Lanaii. I couldn't agree more. Things like this may seem harsh and violent but they're seen differently in the eyes of people who rely on it for food and income. I'm sorry to say this but honestly I think the fact that one would be shocked by this is only based on lack of exposure to life's harshness. Animals are friends and companions to most but some people have to hunt to live. Animals hunt one another as well and the fact that the hunter who shot the deer found uses for the fur and antlers isn't enough of a schism to make it cruel.

Dread Dionaea


snubsnub

PostPosted: Sun Dec 10, 2006 12:48 pm


It is horrible to see things like that but you just have to understand that hunting isn't really bad in ways. Hunting for fun is just wrong and it isn't right. Hunting endangered animals gets on my nerves and I wish I could stop it. But most people eat meat. You have to understand that and most of us won't become vegetarians but I am not dissing Vegetarians. But I probably couldn't last a week without meat. sad
But when you said you went to a gas station and saw a deer skinned and head cut off is a horrible sight to see.
Most people are friends with animals but some people have to hunt to live. I hope you understand what I am saying.
PostPosted: Thu Dec 28, 2006 3:50 pm


Sounds like he was showing off his kill. b*****d.

~Spirit of Dragons~


Evedi Etros

PostPosted: Thu Dec 28, 2006 9:21 pm


~Spirit of Dragons~
Sounds like he was showing off his kill. b*****d.


Or it could have been hanging there so he could process it. neutral
PostPosted: Sun Jan 07, 2007 4:21 pm


Darth_Gently
Who are you to tell me meat isn't food? Thats just crazy. When some one says to me, "meat isn't food" thats just weird. Its just crazy. And thats why, for every animal you don't eat, I am going to eat three because they taste damn good.

Secondly, I do.

Your lack of tolerance is irritating. Please refrain from posting things simply to upset others.

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Dread Dionaea

PostPosted: Sun Jan 07, 2007 4:35 pm


What just happened? I posted that last one and it says Kitimaru did complete with her sig. weeeeeeeeird.


Nevermind, I accidentally edited her post. I'm an idiot. Discount above.

Here's what I posted:

"That sentiment is widely voiced throughout the internet. Personally I'm not a vegetarian and I think that the perceived health comes from emaciation. Skinny is considered healthy now and the boniness of many vegans and vegetarians is seen as a good thing. Now I'm not advocating obesity either, I think the proper size for a female's around a six or seven but it should be muscle.

Back to the topic away from my tangent--I can see where Darth's coming from but it was a really harsh way to put it. I'm used to that joke though and although at face value it seems like blatant disrespect and agression I'm certain it's just a sardonic joke. I like that sense of humor myself, so maybe I'm biased."
PostPosted: Fri Jan 12, 2007 8:27 am


Skeksis
~Spirit of Dragons~
Sounds like he was showing off his kill. b*****d.


Or it could have been hanging there so he could process it. neutral


That also may be what he was doing, but don't you attach something like that to your vehicle and go to the gas station with it unless you're showing it off.

~Spirit of Dragons~


Dread Dionaea

PostPosted: Fri Jan 12, 2007 11:28 am


Uh. People go to gas stations to refill their tanks. He probably attached it to the hood of his car because he didn't have room for it elsewhere. On the way back home, he ran out of gas and drove into a station to have it refilled. Have you ever lived in an area with a lot of hunting? Most people don't drive cars specifically built to handle heavy loads. This is a really common practice and has nothing to do with "showing off". You're just spitting venom without thinking.
PostPosted: Sun Feb 25, 2007 9:03 am


ur ost is just like mine i saw this guy he killed a mother deer and a baby deer i was soo mad at hiim soo i called him a jerk i screamed at him i said y the heck did u kill a mother and baby deer jerk ur not allowed to kill a female and baby dee only grown upp male deer wa t a jerk

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PostPosted: Wed May 30, 2007 5:14 pm


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I'm not a vegetarian but I'm not a big fan of meat I will eat it though. Some animals were just raised for food and weather the animal gets eaten or not it's still dead. What I hat though is the animal slaughter in China! They torture sweet innocent animals because they think it makes them taste better! Cats and Dogs are not meant for food!

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